MMDesign wrote:
Okay. Sorry.

eh?

I was not pointing to anyone in particular as there's has been lots of drama going on lately..
It's just such a shame..

Kerosene wrote:
I'm probably gonna get some drama for this but I have been noticing lately that MM has become quite a hatefull place, what's this all about? we are all here to promote our work...

Most of the threads on this forum end up in drama or people hating on eachother and I don't see why..
I see people getting slagged of for no reason, does it really matter how others look? Everybody has appeal in a different way, we are all different and beautiful no matter what shape, height, size or colour...we can all be succesfull if we have what it takes and that doesn't always mean being super tall and slim, i mean Kelly Osbourne just signed a model contract and my 5 ft 2 and chunky butt isn't  doing bad either..

The nastyness, hating and racial tensions on here really are not fun you guys, focus on your own work and things rather then moan and worry about others..

This is ment to be a place to make contacts, promote our work etc not for picking fights..

be nice to echother!

I disagree! Ok, I just wanted to keep the negative trend alive and well...

Anytime you put a group of people in a room, you will inevitably get arguments and disagreements. Most people hate admitting they are wrong.

Those of us that are right, Hate seeing wrong people giving bad advice.

Those that are wrong then become defensive and accuse those of us that are right of all sorts of stuff, from being bad photographers, to being GWC, to being racist / nazis / Bush Lovers.

Also, Please note that any conversation that causes an arguement will eventuall lead to politics, and from there to Bush, who will then be compared to Hitler.

Since I already took care of all that above, I think we can say that this thread will miss those 3 pages.



People, Can't live with them, Can't shoot them all either!

BCI Photo wrote:
When you hide behind a keyboard, you can let your true self shine. So what you see may not always be pretty, but you get a firm grasp on where people really stand with things.

That's what I think.

true but there's a fine line in between being rude and giving constructive critisism...plus if someone is not asking for anyone's opinion then why bother?

seems like a waste of time to me..


nothing in live is 'pretty'..


I respect your honesty in admitting being two faced, not all people will admit so..

BCI Photo wrote:
When you hide behind a keyboard, you can let your true self shine. So what you see may not always be pretty, but you get a firm grasp on where people really stand with things.

That's what I think.

And I have never agreed with you more!  This is the truest statement of all statements made on a message board ever.

Ty Simone wrote:
I disagree! Ok, I just wanted to keep the negative trend alive and well...

Anytime you put a group of people in a room, you will inevitably get arguments and disagreements. Most people hate admitting they are wrong.

Those of us that are right, Hate seeing wrong people giving bad advice.

Those that are wrong then become defensive and accuse those of us that are right of all sorts of stuff, from being bad photographers, to being GWC, to being racist / nazis / Bush Lovers.

Also, Please note that any conversation that causes an arguement will eventuall lead to politics, and from there to Bush, who will then be compared to Hitler.

Since I already took care of all that above, I think we can say that this thread will miss those 3 pages.



People, Can't live with them, Can't shoot them all either!

I just don't see the use of doing so on a model forum, I don't think you can just judge others and say 'their work is bad' sometimes it's good to keep things to yourself unless the person has asked for it..

What you say is funny because yes most f the drama always ends up in racial, political issues which seems silly to me aswell, it's a friggin model site arent we here to be productive and work on our carreers rather then shit stirring?!!

Kerosene wrote:

true but there's a fine line in between being rude and giving constructive critisism...plus if someone is not asking for anyone's opinion then why bother?

seems like a waste of time to me..

Because you run almost no risk of reprepercussion.
I read a bumber sticker today that said "What would you do if you knew you could not fail?"
MM Message boards are like "What would you say if you knew you could not get punched in the mouth, shot, or fired"

Kerosene wrote:
I'm probably gonna get some drama for this but I have been noticing lately that MM has become quite a hatefull place, what's this all about? we are all here to promote our work...

Most of the threads on this forum end up in drama or people hating on eachother and I don't see why..
I see people getting slagged of for no reason, does it really matter how others look? Everybody has appeal in a different way, we are all different and beautiful no matter what shape, height, size or colour...we can all be succesfull if we have what it takes and that doesn't always mean being super tall and slim, i mean Kelly Osbourne just signed a model contract and my 5 ft 2 and chunky butt isn't  doing bad either..

The nastyness, hating and racial tensions on here really are not fun you guys, focus on your own work and things rather then moan and worry about others..

This is ment to be a place to make contacts, promote our work etc not for picking fights..

be nice to echother!

Kerosene wrote:

I just don't see the use of doing so on a model forum, I don't think you can just judge others and say 'their work is bad' sometimes it's good to keep things to yourself unless the person has asked for it..

What you say is funny because yes most f the drama always ends up in racial, political issues which seems silly to me aswell, it's a friggin model site!!

Why shouldnt models discuss race and politics? We have already covered TFP, agencies, and weight. As long as people aren't using people's MM#'s, links, or names, I don't really care. There are definately some instigators on here though!

Cristal Steverson wrote:

Because you run almost no risk of reprepercussion.
I read a bumber sticker today that said "What would you do if you knew you could not fail?"
MM Message boards are like "What would you say if you knew you could not get punched in the mouth, shot, or fired"

why always having to 'say' and 'speak' why not focus on youself and live and let live...?

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Now you're making me angry

oops;)

markcomp wrote:
I'm sorry too.  Can I get a hug?

hehe

markcomp wrote:
I'm sorry too.  Can I get a hug?

ofcourse, I give the best hugs in town!

:p

Kerosene wrote:
why always having to 'say' and 'speak' why not focus on youself and live and let live...?

That is one of the many purposes of the handy dandy forum...

And the ability to leave comments on pictures...

And send PMs

Cristal Steverson wrote:

That is one of the many purposes of the handy dandy forum

Thats what we have a critique forum for;)

Kerosene wrote:

Thats what we have a critique forum for;)

I wasnt necessarily just talking about critiquing pictures but when you start to talk about any topic in the forums, you have to expect both sides.

Kerosene wrote:

eh?

I was not pointing to anyone in particular as there's has been lots of drama going on lately..
It's just such a shame..

I was joking. Most people don't know how to disagree without getting personal, offended, etc.. The fine art of discourse has been lost to the art of poorly grammer'd typing (of which this last sentence may be an example).

Kerosene wrote:
why always having to 'say' and 'speak' why not focus on youself and live and let live...?

I am going to be really pedantic now and say if we DID think like that..you included..then this thread wouldnt have been started because you would have focused on yourself and lived n let live

Its what forums do the net over .
Being only human and humans never all getting on that well people clash and sometimes it comes in waves.
Tidal waves lately I will admit mind you

MMDesign wrote:

I was joking. Most people don't know how to disagree without getting personal, offended, etc.. The fine art of discourse has been lost to the art of poorly grammer'd typing (of which this last sentence may be an example).

ofcourse dissagreeing is one thing and i did not find your post offending at all, just the replies back to it people saying 'she's ugly etc etc' I find this to be rather rude..

I have always seem photography as art and a true artists should be openminded and creative which means respecting beauty and seeing beauty in many forms..

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Let's talk about Leppercauns and modeling.  How many feel it is appropriate?

Leper modelling?
Well I suppose they would give up and throw in their hand after a short time

Cristal Steverson wrote:

I wasnt necessarily just talking about critiquing pictures but when you start to talk about any topic in the forums, you have to expect both sides.

ofcourse! and there's a place for both sides which is great and I love a good debate I'm just pointing out the difference between dissagreeing and being rude..

for example: I find it to be rude and pointless to call a person 'ugly' or nasty on a forum because this can be hurtfull and is rude..

example:

'This model is so friggin ugly! her boobs are nasty and she's fat etc etc..'

or

'This is not the type of model I would personally be interested in working with as she does not live up to my requirements for models'

Sirensong wrote:

I am going to be really pedantic now and say if we DID think like that..you included..then this thread wouldnt have been started because you would have focused on yourself and lived n let live

Its what forums do the net over .
Being only human and humans never all getting on that well people clash and sometimes it comes in waves.
Tidal waves lately I will admit mind you

yes but I'm giving an opinion without being rude..

Alan from Aavian Prod wrote:
Now you're making me angry

Ramen noodles and ghetto water will make you happy again!

Model Sarah wrote:

Ramen noodles and ghetto water will make you happy again!

mmmm Ramen noodles!!

Kerosene wrote:

yes but I'm giving an opinion without being rude..

Very true.
The thing is many people seem to mix up the whole"keeping it real"attitude with rudeness and then the crap hits the fan around here.

Sirensong wrote:

Very true.
The thing is many people seem to mix up the whole"keeping it real"attitude with rudeness and then the crap hits the fan around here.

Right.
But like I said if you are thinking "She Sucks!", it's alot easier to just type that without being politically correct or considerate... but many feel that they can just say exactly what they feel and be rude as hell because they are hiding behind keyboards and dont have to worry about the repercussion.