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Studio JBS Photography
Posts: 58
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
I am taking a summer class at school on moral philosophy and I was wondering What are the photographers moral and ethical obligations to models? I have my own opinons and ideas as to what they are but I want to know if anyone else has any thoughts on this matter because I believe that when working with a model it is our highest priorety to make sure that we treat them using the most ethical practices and approaches in our field.
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John Pringle
Posts: 1608
New York, New York, US
(1) no invite, no touch. (2) Free hands does not mean return touch. (3) creativity is to be captured by the camera, keep the other brain in check. (4) Create a repeat customer and hope to be friends afterward. (5) Get a model release with a good spirit transaction. (6) Do not expect anything personal, expect professionalism. (7) DO NOT raise your voice or get antsy anxious or angry. (8) Be Cordial in every manner. (9) Leave them with a welcome perspective. (10) Dont be a wuss, just be a good hearted professional. (11) Know when you have a manipulator in the midst. (12) Be kind hearted, even if you have to deal with the worst diva possible. (13) know when you had enough and quit. (14) Oh yeah, get a model release and make sure to deliver on your promise.
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Expressions in OKC
Posts: 84
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, US
John Pringle wrote: (1) no invite, no touch. (2) Free hands does not mean return touch. (3) creativity is to be captured by the camera, keep the other brain in check. (4) Create a repeat customer and hope to be friends afterward. (5) Get a model release with a good spirit transaction. (6) Do not expect anything personal, expect professionalism. (7) DO NOT raise your voice or get antsy anxious or angry. (8) Be Cordial in every manner. (9) Leave them with a welcome perspective. (10) Dont be a wuss, just be a good hearted professional. (11) Know when you have a manipulator in the midst. (12) Be kind hearted, even if you have to deal with the worst diva possible. (13) know when you had enough and quit. (14) Oh yeah, get a model release and make sure to deliver on your promise.
This is the single most powerful representation of all one needs to know regarding the photog-model relationship I've ever seen. Don't be a wuss = use the words boob and butt only as part of the set-up. . good-hearted professional . . .not to raise the voice. . expect professionalism, be professional. . .yes, it's all here.
Photographer
Studio JBS Photography
Posts: 58
Virginia Beach, Virginia, US
That is exactly how I feel about our ethical role as photographers.
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Vector 38
Posts: 8296
Austin, Texas, US
are you kidding? this is the Internet, infamous playground where logic, in any traditional sense, does NOT apply ... the ungoverned are governing themselves according to imaginary scruples ... it's ambitious, a bit idealistic in fact, to want to see ethics & modern mores [here], but just a bit unrealistic ... just two cents, FML
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Doug Lester
Posts: 10591
Atlanta, Georgia, US
That's easy. 1. Treat each model in an honest, courteous and professional manner, as you would like to see other photographrs treat your girl friend, mother, etc and provide whatever was negotiated in a professional way, which means providing the highest quality images you can produce and provide them promptly. 2. See rule #1
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J C ModeFotografie
Posts: 14718
Los Angeles, California, US
John Pringle wrote: (1) no invite, no touch. (2) Free hands does not mean return touch. (3) creativity is to be captured by the camera, keep the other brain in check. (4) Create a repeat customer and hope to be friends afterward. (5) Get a model release with a good spirit transaction. (6) Do not expect anything personal, expect professionalism. (7) DO NOT raise your voice or get antsy anxious or angry. (8) Be Cordial in every manner. (9) Leave them with a welcome perspective. (10) Dont be a wuss, just be a good hearted professional. (11) Know when you have a manipulator in the midst. (12) Be kind hearted, even if you have to deal with the worst diva possible. (13) know when you had enough and quit. (14) Oh yeah, get a model release and make sure to deliver on your promise.
Your list is a bit too involved, complicated and full of loop holes - here's mine: A. Provide a safe and comfortable work environment for everyone on the shoot - including the model. B. Abide by all agreements, whether written or verbal. To paraphrase Stanley Kowalski - "I shoulda bin a lawyah!" JAY carreon PHOTOGRAPHER
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Jose Luis
Posts: 2890
Dallas, Texas, US
JBS Photography wrote: I am taking a summer class at school on moral philosophy and I was wondering What are the photographers moral and ethical obligations to models? I have my own opinons and ideas as to what they are but I want to know if anyone else has any thoughts on this matter because I believe that when working with a model it is our highest priorety to make sure that we treat them using the most ethical practices and approaches in our field. I believe its our moral duty to not waste their or our time and get great images. Im not worried about a rule book of things I can or cant do/say. If the model needs to loosen up- I may make a joke- it might not be PC. I might offer her a drink, etc, etc. If my heart is doing these things for any other reason more than to get a great images- thats my moral barometer. If you have a good repoire with your subject- you will also have good communication where if something you are doing is upsetting your subject- they can tell you. Ideally- they dont have to tell you- b/c you can sense it- as you are in tune with your subject.
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FKVPhotography
Posts: 30064
Ocala, Florida, US
I believe the simplest way to put it.....P R O F E S S I O N A L! I'm in business to make money.....fooling with the model won't pay my mortgage, auto payments, insurance, food......you get the picture...... If I want my ego stroked....I'll hire someone to do it with the money I make doing my job.....
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Morality and ethics... though they sometimes converge... are two wholly separate things. Studio36
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Yuriy
Posts: 1000
Gillette, New Jersey, US
JBS Photography wrote: I am taking a summer class at school on moral philosophy and I was wondering What are the photographers moral and ethical obligations to models? I have my own opinons and ideas as to what they are but I want to know if anyone else has any thoughts on this matter because I believe that when working with a model it is our highest priorety to make sure that we treat them using the most ethical practices and approaches in our field. It [sometimes] depends on whether the model is a client or a vendor (1099 contractor)... For the most part if you can get a hold of "ASMP Professional Business Practices in Photography" that should give you one of the best overalls.
studio36uk wrote: Morality and ethics... though they sometimes converge... are two wholly separate things. Studio36 Very true.
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Claire Elizabeth
Posts: 1550
Exton, Pennsylvania, US
Pretend that every model is your mother/sister/wife/gf and treat them with as much respect as you would treat those women.
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Dave Krueger
Posts: 2851
Huntsville, Alabama, US
An ethical photographer should offer to split the cost of an abortion if the model gets pregnant and there's a reasonably good chance it's his.
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studio36uk
Posts: 22898
Tavai, Sigave, Wallis and Futuna
Dave Krueger wrote: An ethical photographer should offer to split the cost of an abortion if the model gets pregnant and there's a reasonably good chance it's his. And the moral one would never be in that position. LOL Studio36
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bman
Posts: 1126
Hollywood, Alabama, US
FKVPhotoGraphics wrote: I believe the simplest way to put it.....P R O F E S S I O N A L! I'm in business to make money.....fooling with the model won't pay my mortgage, auto payments, insurance, food......you get the picture...... If I want my ego stroked....I'll hire someone to do it with the money I make doing my job..... YES, like going to the doctor. You're vulnerable and expect professionalism.
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Garry k
Posts: 30131
Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
John Pringle wrote: (1) no invite, no touch. (2) Free hands does not mean return touch. (3) creativity is to be captured by the camera, keep the other brain in check. (4) Create a repeat customer and hope to be friends afterward. (5) Get a model release with a good spirit transaction. (6) Do not expect anything personal, expect professionalism. (7) DO NOT raise your voice or get antsy anxious or angry. (8) Be Cordial in every manner. (9) Leave them with a welcome perspective. (10) Dont be a wuss, just be a good hearted professional. (11) Know when you have a manipulator in the midst. (12) Be kind hearted, even if you have to deal with the worst diva possible. (13) know when you had enough and quit. (14) Oh yeah, get a model release and make sure to deliver on your promise.
Excellent - I would only add Make sure they hydrated and kept from getting hungry Know when they,ve had enough and quit ....Modelling can be hard work ie if the weather is too hot or cold ,and or if you asking them to do a series of difficult physical poses ..Many new models lack assertiveness in telling you that they might be getting tired or cold ... Even if the model (or the photos) doesnt quite meet your hoped for expectations -try to find something positive to offer as feedback ..... On a TFP shoot if too much skin is revealed and the model is embarassed afterwards (ie in seeing the photos ) respect her feelings not to have the photos put on display for others to see them ....
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photomale
Posts: 131
Sterling Heights, Michigan, US
This is WAY too easy. When I shoot models, I ALWAYS put myself in his/her shoes. Ummm... what was that old saying? Do not do unto others as you would not have others do unto you? Or more appropriately, IF YOU, as a photographer were modelling for the model, would you want him/her to treat you like you're treating him/her? Ok... that was a rambling but I think you get the point
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