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The Issues that make you Walk or Work?
So what are those issues that may cause you to NOT work with some one? OR cancel the shoot before it gets started? OR worst case ... stop the shoot and pack it up! I know that some or you have let it be know that you do or don't allow escorts, or you do or don't care about references, etc. .. and when I say worst case .. I mean if you go to the beach and it's a hurricane out there about to blow you and the crew away! Now I've got a photo shoot to run off to do ... and will write my answer when I return. Jun 07 06 04:20 pm Link The only time I have 100% completely no-showed on a photographer is when s/he posted a model's personal information (real name, home address, phone number) from the release form to her fanclub Yahoo group in retaliation for a falling out between the two of them. It freaked the crap out of me. I really enjoy this photographer's work (and no, will not be sharing a name here), but I would not feel comfortable shooting with someone who might do something like that to me at some point in the future. One thing that will put a photographer on my do-not-contact list is multiple negative reviews from model friends. Word of mouth comes in handy for avoiding potentially icky situations. Jun 07 06 07:03 pm Link Top Five Reasons To Walk 5. If the photographer's nickname is "Stud" 4. When a shoot invloves a circus animal and a midget 3. The photographer is manically making high pitched noises and seems to be obsessed with "what color panties are you wearing?" 2. His profile is on the Megan's Law website 1. I can't think of #1, any ideas? Jun 07 06 07:27 pm Link I decided not to work with a couple of models that were contacted through MM. The first one wanted to know what ideas I had for pictures and said she would check with her manager. If some so-called manager was going to decide what I would and would not shoot I wasn't willing to work with her. Another wanted to do a TFP shoot and thougt I was going to pay for her make-up artist. She wants free photographs and expects me to pay for her make-up? Not going to happen. Jun 07 06 08:37 pm Link Bill Gunter wrote: First, looking at your portfolio you have a good eye and shoot the kinds of shots I would find acceptable, but, why would you decline a shoot soley based on the model wanting to check with her manager? What if the manager's ideas were along the same lines of what you wanted to shoot in the first place? Jun 07 06 09:08 pm Link I have met one or two photographers at workshops I would not work with again. I just got the creepy vibe (can't quite decsribe it but you know what I mean) I won't work with anyone who sends me erect images of themselves when we are not discusing any erotic works. (i did have aphotogrpaher send me soem of another model but we had been talking about adult work and peoples opoinions on it) and it came with a large warning and he asked be before hand so that was fine. But don't just send them right after you aske to work with me..... I got rained out of a outdoor nude shoot in berkeley in may 60' and raining is not good for outdoor work. I postponed one for two weeks family emergency I've never had to end a shoot I've had to remind a few times that I can adjust my own clothing if I don't feel they need to be touching me. Jun 07 06 09:20 pm Link I didn't dismiss her because of having management but because of interference with the photography. You can't know how a photograph is going to work until you see the finished product, the same idea will be realized differently by different photographers. Jun 07 06 09:30 pm Link I'm a designer more then a photographer. I am trying to get some better photos for my Design side, and I would like other peoples take on it as well. So I have two underage models who are working with me just for fun. I had a professional photographer ask me to send him full nudes of both girls. Now I'm the one dressing them, they have a make up artist... hair... nails... WTF does he need full nudes for? So yeah umm NO! Jun 07 06 10:03 pm Link Thank you for your replies. I find it interesting to read your answers ... Issues that may cause me to NOT work with a model would be if they flake on just the first interview or photo session. That means blowing off a photo shoot or even getting together to discuss a first session without a call or coming hours later. It's actually been a very rare occurrence for me so I guess I'm very lucky! Models who hold me captive immediately after the photo session until they get all their images will not shoot with me again. (That happened to me once!) I do not like being lied to by models or so called talent managers or agents. They can expect not to work with me in the future once I find out. I don't like deception or made up stories as excuses. Those who throw temper tantrums can leave the premises. If a model is honest and has a valid reason, I'm happy to reschedule a shoot. If I am ever feeling sick or not up to shooting ... which is almost never ... I would try to reschedule with the model. However, shooting is like medicine to me, and I feel better many times after I get started with a photo session. Canceling a photo shoot is rare for me. If all my half dozen film and digital cameras were to break ... I suppose that would end a session. However, I've been known to borrow cameras for fun ... but I carry a spare of most everything, so I have yet to stop a session due to lack of working camera. If we are facing furious winds at locations for example while at a beach, then I may stop the photo session. Rain doesn't stop me, unless it doesn't let up! In or out of the studio, if the model passes out or gets terribly ill ... then that is good enough reason to stop the session. No model should continue if they are feeling too sick. In all the years of shooting models, I still only need one hand to count the crazy experiences on. Sure stuff happens, but whatever it is I just roll with it! In nearly every case, I've lucked out with enough pictures to make it worth while. Jun 08 06 04:27 am Link I win the stupid trusting guy award of the year. I've been working with a well-known model in our area (and on the internet) for about 2 years. I've shot her many times, hired her to do PS work (which she's great at), and to help me with creative shots (which she's also great at). I considered her a friend. She decided to get into the photographic side of thing. She kept hinting at wanting to buy a camera. I had two higher end point-and-shoots (a Nikon and a Minolta) that I had as backup cameras. I offered to let her borrow them to practice with. Not only did she 'borrow' them but she also 'borrowed' a fast 80X 2 gig card, batteries, chargers, and a.c. adapters. After going-on three months, and several, several calls and emails, she emails me back that 'she won't be able to work with me anymore.' Not a word about the cameras and assorted accessories (retail price about $1800). Now, I can't get her to return calls or emails. Total silence from her and she has my stuff - and apparently has no plans to return the stuff. She's still active, as I see she checks her MM site every-other-day. My fault. I trusted her. I got screwed. Will I work with her again: nope - no trust left. Just give me the moron award of the year for trusting. /tim PS The disk has about 800 images from my last shot with another model, as well. Jun 08 06 04:52 am Link Tim Baker wrote: Three words. Jun 08 06 05:03 am Link the single issue: Those who refuse to send deposits. Jun 08 06 05:30 am Link I dont do the ones where the photographer asks me to send them a nude photo. There are two in my port. If he cant see what I look like from them then he must have problems with his eyes. I mightve done some strange things for some strange people but it pays to be flexible. Jun 08 06 05:37 am Link Tim Baker wrote: Are You Kidding!!!!.....you loaned out expensive equipment ......never, never, never loan out equipment to ANYONE!.....and forget small claims court as another poster stated....small claims court may decide in your favor....but it has NO ENFORCEMENT powers.....all it can do is put a lien against the models assets....and if she/he ever sells personal property you may, and I stress the word may, get a percentage of the sale.....but who knows when, if or ever that may happen.......you would be better off reporting it as stolen property.... Jun 08 06 06:17 am Link Tim Baker wrote: Tim, I don't think you were stupid at all. You simply trusted someone and unfortunately many people are thieves. You considered her to be a friend and there is nothing wrong with that. She is the one who is stupid for her actions. Jun 08 06 06:24 am Link FKVPhotoGraphics wrote: To TB: Jun 08 06 08:07 am Link I only ever had one shoot where I bailed. About 15 minutes in the creep starting taking his clothes off because he was "hot". Jun 08 06 08:22 am Link About paying for makeup: a photographer once offered to pay for me to go to a MUA before the TFCD session. It was only about $40. It was an outdoor shoot after work. I'm sure he's not the only such (considerate) person on the planet. So, being a newbie I asked my next TFCD if they also usually paid models to get their makeup done before hand and got a big glare and a huffy response. Was I rude? I don't think so. But I am glad that the 2nd phtographer didn't bail on me just because I asked. I don't think it makes sense to punish models or photographers for just asking for something...just say no  Jun 08 06 08:34 am Link Tim Baker wrote: Ouch! Tim , that is a harsh lesson! I love to teach photography myself, but that is why I have a bunch of cheap 35mm SLR film cameras laying around to loan or give out. In fact, I insist that everyone learn to use a film camera before picking up a digital. Jun 08 06 01:24 pm Link I once bailed on a photographer because at the last minute (less than 48 hours before the shoot) he switched the location from a studio to a motel that charges for rooms by the hour. It was an adult shoot, but the creep factor shot up really high, and I just decided I was far better off cancelling than anything. I just didn't have a good feeling about it. The I've cancelled because I was sick before, I felt TERRIBLE about doing so. But it was an outdoor morning shoot and the low the night before was supposed to be in the low 60's. I knew that being slightly sick I just wasn't going to be able to handle being outside in the nude the next morning. The only other time when I had a shoot that didn't go through in a bad way was due to the photographer freaking out on me less than a week before the shoot. We had everything set up and all I needed was directions. He emails me and says that he's had several bad experiences in the past 2 weeks with models and escorts attempting to run the shoot and he demands that I come to the shoot unattended. He also said that he had a model show up to a shoot severaly sunburned and so he wants to see a "recent" body shot and a "recent" head shot so that he has "proof" that I am who I say I am. I was peeved. I don't shoot outdoors without an extra set of hands with me for two reasons - one is that there is NO guarantee that somebody won't happen upon the shoot and secondly I need somebody else to keep up with my crap! Its one thing to strew clothes all over a studio, its entirely different to have clothing strewn all over the outdoors. If someone does walk up, I need somebody else to be ready with something to hand me so I can cover up. I also let him know that "recent" photographs can be fudged and he had no real way of knowing what I looked like until I showed up. Even a time stamp can be photoshopped into an image. I also sent him several references which I contacted on super short notice and he refused to use them at all. For whatever its worth, I checked his profile the other day and its stripped - theres no text and he only has one image left posted... I had another cancellation recently that was ligit. The poor guy was worried sick that I was going to trash him on the forums since he cancelled on me. I told him in no way would I do so, particularly since he was kind enough to let me know more than a week in advance, and he was honest - he didn't have the budget due to life getting in the way. I have no problem at all with that, and respect him a lot more. If he emails me again later and asks to shoot again, I'll be glad to do so. I think the stigma of cancelling is terrible in the modeling industry. Things happen. Its a shame that so many people can't simply be honest and say hey look I don't want to do this for whatever reason. Its really sad that people can't call when they're late or not going to show. I wish there were something that could be done to change it. I just keep trying to prove the stereotype wrong one by one. Jun 08 06 04:26 pm Link I posted an ad on Crainslist a while back for a couple models. And I know I do some unconventional images. (Hell my avi is a witch) and I wanted to make sure poeple knew what they were getting into. I kinda tossed out everyone that just sent a picture and a name. And literally, that was all. Who knows if they knew what I was shooting. I had plently who introduced themselves, thought it looked like fun, and said they wanted to do it. So they got the shot. Jun 08 06 04:50 pm Link MurphyMurphy Studios wrote: I have a good friend who is an attorney. He recommended the same thing. I have the original receipts showing I bought them; she does not. She has no bill-of-sale, either. That said, according to my friend, even if I win, it's hard to get money out of someone who doesn't have any to begin with. Jun 08 06 04:55 pm Link FKVPhotoGraphics wrote: Yep. Pretty much what my attorney said. And yes, I never have ever loaned out equipment, until her. Felt I could trust her. Again, just call me the moron-of-the-year for trusting a model-turned-photographer. /tim Jun 08 06 04:58 pm Link Claire Elizabeth wrote: Yes, that's creepy. He should have tried to get you to take your clothes off, like a normal person. Jun 08 06 04:59 pm Link Obtrusiveness and compulsive farting (no more Yoga models for me)  Jun 08 06 05:00 pm Link sometimes i have wanted to walk out on shoots, but, if i give my word... i gotta stay... lets see, when i first started out i did a "test" with a photog on MM, it was pretty once i did the make-up that it was not actually a "test" at all, but rather a model paying for her headsots.... i also never got image files big enough for my book. i did another test that i was told would be submitted for tears... it turned out to be a designer's look book. but i think that everybody was kind of expecting it to be something else. the #1 thing that grinds my gears, is when I am told that the model is from an agency and I show up and she is most certainly not. I always ask the photographer what agency the model is from (so i can go to the site and look at their port), i pretty much say "is this an agency girl? is she a professional model?" i have had models with acne and models who sent the photographers pictures from 6 years ago and showed up overweight and a hard 29. i wish that more models would post polaroids of themselves... most agencies have polaroiads available on their sites. i think it would be wise for models to do that... then we can get a more accurate idea of what we are working with, as opposed to the super super super photoshopped images. i have never walked on a shoot before, not matter how much i have wanted to or realized that the shoot would probably be a waste of my time... this is probably why i do not test a lot. i guess what it all comes down to is that i hate being bambozled. Jun 08 06 05:20 pm Link rachelrose wrote: 1. I was not aware that professional, agency models all have perfect skin, all the time, forever. What is their magical acne-destroying secret? I must know! Jun 09 06 01:24 am Link |
