SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:
Do any of you pay stylists travel fees to come style shoots for you?

Myself, usually use someone local (i.e., in the city where i'm working); tend too to go with people i've used before. That said, yes, I'd look at someone's Book as talent to possibly keep in mind for future work. Largely though, for me anyway, it's a budget question that will ultimately be accepted or rejected by the client. All i'm doing is expressing my preferences.

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Hamza wrote:
My point is that it doesn't matter how good you are, it's how you sell yourself!!!

so it wouldn't matter to you if you contacted a stylist you've never worked with before, and they did a bang up job of selling themselves, but when they got to the set they were horrible?

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:
yeah....well....you'll have to define 'real client' for me. Yes, I have people who pay me to style them-but the question is in general. Or per photog/model preference

Real client:  magazine, ad campaign, ad agency, event planner, modelling agency, whoever's paying the bill.  To answer you original question, whatever the client has budgeted for the shoot, that's what's available to pay the shooting team.  If you do more than one thing on set, that can work to your advantage for bookings with clients that have a tight budget, but those are the very clients that don't pay so well in the first place.

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:
so it wouldn't matter to you if you contacted a stylist you've never worked with before, and they did a bang up job of selling themselves, but when they got to the set they were horrible?

i don't think that's what he was saying, or i hope not ...

... cuz in looking over the person's marketing stuff you'd expect to find the work (e.g., photos in their Book) to back up any claims made. too, in doing [ ] homework, one would likely also check some references to see what those who've worked with that person would say, recommend or not.

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SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:
Photogs/models: How good does a wardrobe stylist/designer have to be in order for you to pay them? Do any of you pay stylists travel fees to come style shoots for you? I know my location isn't 'ideal' for fashion, but still-what is a stylist who does design, set/art/story direction, hair, makeup (using this term loosely) etc. actually worth?

ahh I can tell you are a debutant, btw.....your work will sell itself....if it can....

FML-Photography wrote:
i don't think that's what he was saying, or i hope not ...

... cuz in looking over the person's marketing stuff you'd expect to find the work (e.g., photos in their Book) to back up any claims made. too, in doing [ ] homework, one would likely also check some references to see what those who've worked with that person would say, recommend or not.

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I know a chick right now who is NOT a stylist-she owns a clothing boutique. Yet she gets a a lot of work here and her name is all around but (her store is closed/seized) that doesn't exactly equate to people buying her clothes. She has a horrible reputation for always being more than 2 hours late to everything, personal problems, the list goes on. Yet when videos, fashion shows etc come to town I hear her name pop up. So I'm wondering do you think she's even getting paid for this stuff or is she just on a TFP/TFExposure basis???

Michael Raveney wrote:

ahh I can tell you are a debutant, btw.....your work will sell itself....if it can....

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SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:
I know a chick right now who is NOT a stylist-she owns a clothing boutique. Yet she gets a a lot of work here and her name is all around.

yeah, see it all the time in mainstream circles; gets down to some unknown variables as to why such & such was chosen to do a job when so & so was obviously so much better qualified.

we see it & move on. doesn't mean we like it or think it's fair, but we move on.

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SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:

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Michael Raveney wrote:

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oh..I meant the debutant thing? sorry..

Richard Dubois wrote:
Why don't you just ask the boutique non-stylist?  Perception is the key to marketing yourself (I mean, just browse around this site for a while), so maybe her gigs are sounding better than they really are.

Edit:  So she knows clothes, but she's not a stylist?  Is that like a Guy With Camera?  A Chick With Clothes?  GWC, CWC, I like that...

She doesn't really know clothes either; she had a little money and decided to open a boutique here. She knows a lot of people here too. I mean I know her..assisted w/ her on my first video (more like did the work). But I don't understand why if you have so many problems w/ someone on a regular basis why you would continue to call/use them.
I'm looking to shoot w/ some other photogs too-does it really make the clothing look THAT bad?? (really rhetorical but thoughts please anyway! :-)

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:

oh..I meant the debutant thing? sorry..

this might help: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=debutant

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:

She doesn't really know clothes either; she had a little money and decided to open a boutique here. She knows a lot of people here too. I mean I know her..assisted w/ her on my first video (more like did the work). But I don't understand why if you have so many problems w/ someone on a regular basis why you would continue to call/use them.
I'm looking to shoot w/ some other photogs too-does it really make the clothing look THAT bad?? (really rhetorical but thoughts please anyway! :-)

Ah, you hit the nail on the head:  "She knows a lot of people here..."  Sounds like she is something of a good self-promoter, and as for why unreliable people get re-booked, I'll never know.  I do know that it catches up to you after a while - there are a few blacklisted people in the city I work in.

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:
I'm just asking for opinions and if photogs/models are willing to pay for that.

When you ask if I or someone is willing to pay a stylist, the question comes to mind to me is what do I need a stylist for?

Hamza wrote:
When you ask if I or someone is willing to pay a stylist, the question comes to mind to me is what do I need a stylist for?

Umm... to bring the clothes for starts...

Michael Raveney wrote:

this might help: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=debutant

uh...ok...well being more direct, were you trying to be funny? just asking. if not then suggestions??

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:

Hamza wrote:
My point is that it doesn't matter how good you are, it's how you sell yourself!!!

so it wouldn't matter to you if you contacted a stylist you've never worked with before, and they did a bang up job of selling themselves, but when they got to the set they were horrible?

Part of selling yourself is SHOWING your previous work, like in a portfolio...
References from other Photogs...

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:

uh...ok...well being more direct, were you trying to be funny? just asking. if not then suggestions??

nah "funny" is not in my nature...more like facetious.....

Richard Dubois wrote:

Umm... to bring the clothes for starts...

That's the thing right there..there are a lot of photogs who feel they don't need one. They tell the models to bring whatever they have. One photog I worked with (via the model) didn't know what pin-up was and had never heard of TFP! I haven't even had a chance to shoot things like editorials etc b/c it's like there's no concept of what that is. Yeah I know what editorials look like and when I see them I know that I can do that same thing. But it seems that from the responses I've gotten thus, I am the only one who thinks so

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:

That's the thing right there..there are a lot of photogs who feel they don't need one. They tell the models to bring whatever they have. One photog I worked with (via the model) didn't know what pin-up was and had never heard of TFP! I haven't even had a chance to shoot things like editorials etc b/c it's like there's no concept of what that is. Yeah I know what editorials look like and when I see them I know that I can do that same thing. But it seems that from the responses I've gotten thus, I am the only one who thinks so

Just curious:  How much networking do you do online vs. in the "real world"?  MM and other sites are only one avenue to pursue (and only online have I ever heard the term "TFP" - in the "real world" industry, using that term gets a lot of raised eyebrows.  Conversely, industry people know what editorial, high fashion, beauty, lifestyle, commercial, creative and testing mean, but online, most people don't).

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:

That's the thing right there..there are a lot of photogs who feel they don't need one. They tell the models to bring whatever they have. One photog I worked with (via the model) didn't know what pin-up was and had never heard of TFP! I haven't even had a chance to shoot things like editorials etc b/c it's like there's no concept of what that is. Yeah I know what editorials look like and when I see them I know that I can do that same thing. But it seems that from the responses I've gotten thus, I am the only one who thinks so

Just curious:  How much networking do you do online vs. in the "real world"?  MM and other sites are only one avenue to pursue (and only online have I ever heard the term "TFP" - in the "real world" industry, using that term gets a lot of raised eyebrows.  Conversely, industry people know what editorial, high fashion, beauty, lifestyle, commercial, creative and testing mean, but online, most people don't).

Michael Raveney wrote:

nah "funny" is not in my nature...more like facetious.....

yeah same thing

Richard Dubois wrote:

Just curious:  How much networking do you do online vs. in the "real world"?  MM and other sites are only one avenue to pursue (and only online have I ever heard the term "TFP" - in the "real world" industry, using that term gets a lot of raised eyebrows.  Conversely, industry people know what editorial, high fashion, beauty, lifestyle, commercial, creative and testing mean, but online, most people don't).

I do the majority of my networking in the 'real world' as well as the internet non-MM; I'm well aware what MM is and I use it for what it is good for. Every now and then I stop thru the forums and see what's going on. But for whatever reason it seems whenever I ask a question or for advice people turn it into something else. What I'm curious about is how only one person actually answered my original question...all I asked was if people pay stylists to travel to them and what a stylist's talents are worth to them..

Richard Dubois wrote:
Real client:  magazine, ad campaign, ad agency, event planner, modelling agency, whoever's paying the bill.  To answer you original question, whatever the client has budgeted for the shoot, that's what's available to pay the shooting team.  If you do more than one thing on set, that can work to your advantage for bookings with clients that have a tight budget, but those are the very clients that don't pay so well in the first place.

That was my answer - to both of your questions.  To paraphrase:  there is no one set fee for anything, including whether your travel expenses are paid.

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:
What I'm curious about is how only one person actually answered my original question...

Maybe because some people thought that you wanted to explore the possibilities a little, such as when you brought up your boutique friend.  Your original question was a good one, but with no black and white answers.  If you're feeling a little testy, then forget it.

Richard Dubois wrote:

Umm... to bring the clothes for starts...

SoVi-Southern Vitality wrote:
That's the thing right there..there are a lot of photogs who feel they don't need one. They tell the models to bring whatever they have. One photog I worked with (via the model) didn't know what pin-up was and had never heard of TFP! I haven't even had a chance to shoot things like editorials etc b/c it's like there's no concept of what that is. Yeah I know what editorials look like and when I see them I know that I can do that same thing. But it seems that from the responses I've gotten thus, I am the only one who thinks so

No I do not pay to have a stylist travel to me.  I have no need for it.

Now for the other stuff, I don't need a Stylist to bring the clothes to a shoot, I find out what is needed, then I send a PA to purchase a bunch of stuff (if I don't go myself), I pay for what I use, return the rest the next day.