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Posted by Star: Posted by CO Model Amber: Posted by Ashley Rike: Well, I do work Mondays and Thursdays with my dad. But I am not much of a early bird and it would not be good to show up to a shoot tired and moody. So, I do need sleep. I've just had some photographers who wanted to shoot VERY VERY early in the morning which I don't do and I don't care if it's a paid shoot. I'm not a early bird. So, I like to shoot at times where I've been well rested. no, they don't. If you take this seriously, and asking for pay is taking this seriously, you should shoot when the photographers need the light. Anything less makes you an amateur, I'm far from Amateur I've been doing this for awhile and have worked with many photographers so I doubt I'd be an amateur. But, would it be a good idea to shoot with the model when she's tired and moody? Do you think you'd get good pictures? Jul 19 05 12:32 am Link Posted by CO Model Amber: No to both questions. But it's not beyond the realm of acceptability to turn in early and get a good night's rest the night before a shoot. Jul 19 05 12:44 am Link Actually no, they're not being paid thousands of dollars to get up that early. I've shot plenty of TFCD in the wee hours. As to being "tired and moody"... I've shot 8 hours after a 10-hour shift in my regular job with no sleep... but I love photography so much that having the camera in my hand puts me immediatelly in a good mood, and the models I've worked with say that they love modeling so much that being in front of the camera gets them all happy an bouncy right away. Regarding you being a professional (the do-what-it-takes attitude) has nothing to do with how long you've been doing something. If you don't have that attitude then you're an advanced amateur, or semi-pro at best. Posted by CO Model Amber: Jul 19 05 12:50 am Link The longest I've shot with one model was about a 7 hour day that didn't start until after I opened a photo lab (my regular gig at the time.) and got off work there. It was a paid session (for me!) and the model wanted to own the work for content on her website. We started shooting at around 2 or 3 PM in the afternoon, then ended a little after 9 PM. The model (my client) paid for a nice dinner and we took breaks when needed. It was at a downtown hotel where we shot at some outdoor locations first, then moved to the hotel pool area and restaurant. Then finished in her hotel room! We shot about 350 good to excellent exposures! I was paid $700 and I left her satisfied with the results. I wish I had more gigs like that! TFP is negotiable. I am sensitive to the models needs when doing photo shoots and will try to accommodate within reason. Most TFP's last about 2 or 3 hours with me. That includes about 30 minutes for make up. As far as I'm concerned, Amber has every right to state the hours she will work and not be challenged over it. After having worked for many years for others, I have decided that I will no longer work for anyone but myself. It just so happens that Amber and I have the same night owl clock going ... I don't do mornings either! It's nobody's business but our own! I have worked early morning hours and also grave yard before. So I choose to sleep in and don't give a damn what anyone else thinks as long as I'm available for the hours I'm supposed to be. Jul 19 05 04:51 am Link Posted by CO Model Amber: ??????? Jul 19 05 05:10 am Link Posted by CO Model Amber: Posted by Ashley Rike: Well, I do work Mondays and Thursdays with my dad. But I am not much of a early bird and it would not be good to show up to a shoot tired and moody. So, I do need sleep. I've just had some photographers who wanted to shoot VERY VERY early in the morning which I don't do and I don't care if it's a paid shoot. I'm not a early bird. So, I like to shoot at times where I've been well rested. I dunno, if it's a TFP and you're not getting any pay at all, then if someone insists on a radical time, it does kinda turn you off... but it's also important as a model to keep a good attitude about it. Cuz technically, if you're really serious about this profession and would want to make this a profession of yours, you're really supposed to expect radical hours on occasions. Jul 19 05 06:03 am Link Anyway, to answer to your original question. Whether or not there is a time limit in a TFP shoot really depends on the situation/photographer. Sometimes you're only doing 1-2 looks, and it's okay to assume that the shoot will only take 2-3 hours. Sometimes you have another appointment after a certain time on the day of the shoot, sometimes the photographer intends to keep the shoot brief. Sometimes the TFP shoot will indeed turn into a full day/ no time limit shoot if you have lots of looks to cover and you have good chemistry with the photographer. I just make sure to bring up the question before the day of the shoot with the photographer. You're not paid to stay and he's not paid to shoot you, so the timeframe of the shoot should be negotiable and acceptable to discuss. Jul 19 05 06:10 am Link Posted by CO Model Amber: Posted by Ashley Rike: Well, I do work Mondays and Thursdays with my dad. But I am not much of a early bird and it would not be good to show up to a shoot tired and moody. So, I do need sleep. I've just had some photographers who wanted to shoot VERY VERY early in the morning which I don't do and I don't care if it's a paid shoot. I'm not a early bird. So, I like to shoot at times where I've been well rested. How do you honestly think the professional models became that way? They had to be ready to shoot whenever the photographer/client needed them, from the day they became a model. Jul 19 05 09:20 am Link btw...here is the address to the forum topic I was speaking of. https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?p … ad_id=5123 Jul 19 05 09:33 am Link a 'good' model will party till 2 and be ready to leave at 6am i think theyl sleep while there ride gets them to the location... i dont get up till 1o am myself and preffer sunset light but agree it does go past quickly but this time of year its a failrly long sunset... Jul 19 05 11:09 am Link Mood? Cranky? If you love something, you do it every opportunity you get and dont complain about it because thats just it YOU LOVE IT. OR am i delusional>? Jul 19 05 11:53 am Link Posted by CO Model Amber: Posted by CO Model Amber: Not a professional, and not an amateur? What would you call it? Posted by CO Model Amber: No. I'd simply choose a model who was available when I needed them. Whether that's a 7 PM call time for a night shoot, or 5 AM for a sunrise shoot, that's what it is. (Studio scheduling is often much more flexible in that regard.) Jul 19 05 12:04 pm Link Skipping the controversy and answering the question... I haven't found the time factor to be an issue, because generally TFP shoots for me are pretty conceptual and collaborative, so we're both working towards the same goal, and generally agree on when we've gotten the best we're going to. Are you running into problems with being kept longer than seems reasonable to you, Amber? Jul 19 05 12:17 pm Link Ughhh. I'm trying to get it, but I just don't. Amber here has every right to post any sort of booking requirements she'd like. This said, I'll say I'm really impressed if she's getting many paid offers. Since her portfolio says she wants pay + demands pictures, TFP isn't an issue. Guess it's why I'm surprised about this thread. If I had any pay work available when I move to Las Vegas, everything I've seen would seriously remove her from any consideration. I look at her portfolio and nothing screams out at me. I suppose it's functional. There's nothing in it that qualifies the demands she makes or her attitude. Honestly, I can't even see a mutual benefit in TFPCD. Think she'd have to pay me and then she could get all the pics she wants. Heh. I'd even be nice enough to let her pick her hours. Maybe I do get it. Jul 19 05 12:45 pm Link maybe...hmm what can i say! Jul 19 05 01:03 pm Link Posted by CO Model Amber: Posted by Star: Posted by CO Model Amber: Posted by Ashley Rike: Well, I do work Mondays and Thursdays with my dad. But I am not much of a early bird and it would not be good to show up to a shoot tired and moody. So, I do need sleep. I've just had some photographers who wanted to shoot VERY VERY early in the morning which I don't do and I don't care if it's a paid shoot. I'm not a early bird. So, I like to shoot at times where I've been well rested. no, they don't. If you take this seriously, and asking for pay is taking this seriously, you should shoot when the photographers need the light. Anything less makes you an amateur, I'm far from Amateur I've been doing this for awhile and have worked with many photographers so I doubt I'd be an amateur. But, would it be a good idea to shoot with the model when she's tired and moody? Do you think you'd get good pictures? ITS JUST KINDA FUNNY THAT U WRITE EVERY ONE EVERYWHERE ON THE MAP SAYIN ''welcome to MM'' SO THEY WILL NOTIcE YOU AND TAG U BACK .. THEN WRITE if they dont send you an add you wont ever notice / or work with them Jul 19 05 01:03 pm Link I am VERY passionate about modeling! I also take my career in modeling VERY seriously! I'll bet you're one busy model, photographers and paid clients beating down your door... ALL ABOUT TRAVEL: Updated! Jul 19 05 01:44 pm Link I typically only shoot until the "escort" gets hungry. Then, I take out my trusty army surplus shovel and club him over the head. After I've buried him, I only shoot for an hour more. Jul 19 05 02:20 pm Link Posted by KM von Seidl: Awesome. Can I bring an escort I don't like? We can do fun dead people pictures during the burial and stuff! Er..I mean... Jul 20 05 09:55 am Link |
