FeliciaMO wrote:
What happens when you book with someone who you later find out, from other models and photogs, is a freak? I have found myself stuck between a rock and a hard spot with this one. I don't wanna tie up my time going to a shoot that I can expect to be uncomfortable because I don't want photographers to think I'm a no show....What is the protocol for this? Do I eat up my lack of research to begin with or do I play it safe?
Fefe

Just call up and cancel the shoot.  If he's a "freak" why do you care what he thinks?  Just be prepared to find out that he's told other photographers that you're a paranoid nut in return down the line...It's not pretty, but it's the truth.

Star wrote:
Bring an escort, no escort no shoot. I would also suggest perhaps some sort of video recording device packed away for if the shoot goes bad so you can take it out and film the behavior,

Star

The second a model brings out a video camera in my workspace, the shoot is over.  And don't think I won't tell everyone on earth what a paranoid nutcase she turned out to be.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

The second a model brings out a video camera in my workspace, the shoot is over.  And don't think I won't tell everyone on earth what a paranoid nutcase she turned out to be.

The recording device should be "packed away" as stated above. However if the photog started snorting crank and playing with guns the only real proof a girl could have, admissable in court and all, is if they had a way of DOCUMENTING the behavior.

At the point the model has to take out the device, the shoot should already be over,

Star

Star wrote:

The recording device should be "packed away" as stated above. However if the photog started snorting crank and playing with guns the only real proof a girl could have, admissable in court and all, is if they had a way of DOCUMENTING the behavior.

At the point the model has to take out the device, the shoot should already be over,

Star

Why stop at a video camera?  Just have her bring a pistol.  Everyone knows we photographers are all pervs and predators anyway...Not like the paragons of virtue that women meet and go off [alone] with at bars every night of the week.

FeliciaMO wrote:
What happens when you book with someone who you later find out, from other models and photogs, is a freak? I have found myself stuck between a rock and a hard spot with this one. I don't wanna tie up my time going to a shoot that I can expect to be uncomfortable because I don't want photographers to think I'm a no show....What is the protocol for this? Do I eat up my lack of research to begin with or do I play it safe?
Fefe

Number one, always question what you hear and see. Don't always take other people words as the gosple truth. He or she may be a freak, but rumours are very strong to weakminded people. You'll be amazed at how quick rumours spread and what others believe.

Checkout his or her credentials with more people, then go with your gut.

Something else I don't get with some of you people, why in the hell would you take the risk of putting yourself in a position if you are apprehensive? To me this doesn't make any sense. The last thing I need on my shoot is someone that has weird a perception of me and is scared and uncomfortable. Stuff like this makes the shoot not go smooth.

Just back out of it with some type of excuse and buy some time to see if what you are hearing is true and then go from there.

FeliciaMO wrote:
What happens when you book with someone who you later find out, from other models and photogs, is a freak? I have found myself stuck between a rock and a hard spot with this one. I don't wanna tie up my time going to a shoot that I can expect to be uncomfortable because I don't want photographers to think I'm a no show....What is the protocol for this? Do I eat up my lack of research to begin with or do I play it safe?
Fefe

Cancel the shoot.  Lie if you have to, but don't go if you're not comfortable with his "freakiness."  Next time you ask other models about a photographer you're interested in working with, wait until they answer you before scheduling a shoot.

Star wrote:

The recording device should be "packed away" as stated above. However if the photog started snorting crank and playing with guns the only real proof a girl could have, admissable in court and all, is if they had a way of DOCUMENTING the behavior.

At the point the model has to take out the device, the shoot should already be over,

Star

Oh my god. lol

With all due respect, if the photographer was doing ANY of the things you have mentioned above, why on earth would you stay for another split second?  What could possibly be accomplished?  You might - what, antagonize this photographer who is already behaving badly, and perhaps put yourself in more danger than you are already in?

I can see the headlines now. "Model found brutally beaten with video camera. No tape recovered."

Star wrote:
Bring an escort, no escort no shoot. I would also suggest perhaps some sort of video recording device packed away for if the shoot goes bad so you can take it out and film the behavior,

Star

Very unwise advice for someone that is apprehensive, to me that is just as strange as the accusations of the photographer. You are either scared and don't bother or you aren't scared and take the risk. If the he or she is a freak, he's going to make sure that he or she has all of the angles covered, including making sure that you don't have anything on you. Honestly I think that some of the models on here are just as strange as some of the photographers.

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
Cancel the shoot.  Lie if you have to, but don't go if you're not comfortable with his "freakiness."  Next time you ask other models about a photographer you're interested in working with, wait until they answer you before scheduling a shoot.

Don't lie.  Just say you're not comfortable shooting based on things you've heard.  Just because he's a freak dosen't mean he's a stupid freak.  Lie and get caught and he gets to tell everyone in town about what a lying nutjob you are.

Telling someone to lie about anything is about as bad as advice can get.  Are you sure you want people on this forum to know you think it's okay for models to lie?

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:
Don't lie.  Just say you're not comfortable shooting based on things you've heard.  Just because he's a freak dosen't mean he's a stupid freak.  Lie and get caught and he gets to tell everyone in town about what a lying nutjob you are.

Telling someone to lie about anything is about as bad as advice can get.  Are you sure you want people on this forum to know you think it's okay for models to lie?

Gossip seems to be a big thing with you.  'If she says this, he'll tell people this.  Are you sure you want people knowing you said that?'  I'm just suggesting that if she doesn't want to cause an arguement or make things worse by saying she's heard bad things about him, she could say something else.  Maybe she could just say she has to cancel, but doesn't want to share the reason.  Or she can just say she changed her mind.  Those would be true things that aren't "I heard you were a freak."

James Graham wrote:
What Melvin said (WMS).

My entire phographic repertoire is based on honesty.
This is me.
This is what I expect.
And if you are not okay with it, now is the time to know that.

It's pretty simple and I've had no complaints...

A BIG AMEN, what you see is what you get at DMP.

Wynd Mulysa wrote:
Gossip seems to be a big thing with you.  'If she says this, he'll tell people this.  Are you sure you want people knowing you said that?'  I'm just suggesting that if she doesn't want to cause an arguement or make things worse by saying she's heard bad things about him, she could say something else.  Maybe she could just say she has to cancel, but doesn't want to share the reason.  Or she can just say she changed her mind.  Those would be true things that aren't "I heard you were a freak."

Okay, go ahead and say whatever you want.  Pretend that people in this business don't talk about each other.  I've heard things about both models and photographers that would amaze you.

Melvin Moten Jr wrote:

Okay, go ahead and say whatever you want.  Pretend that people in this business don't talk about each other.  I've heard things about both models and photographers that would amaze you.

No, I believe you that they do.  I guess I'm just apathetic. 
Anyway, I was just trying to say that she shouldn't put herself in a situation she'd feel uncomfortable in.  It sounded like she was already considering just not showing up for the shoot.  I think canceling by lying would be better than not showing up at all.  Or canceling by explaining very vaguely..

FeliciaMO wrote:
What happens when you book with someone who you later find out, from other models and photogs, is a freak? I have found myself stuck between a rock and a hard spot with this one. I don't wanna tie up my time going to a shoot that I can expect to be uncomfortable because I don't want photographers to think I'm a no show....What is the protocol for this? Do I eat up my lack of research to begin with or do I play it safe?
Fefe

You need to kill him.  Right now.  He could be reading your post right now and plotting against you.  You can't let this happen.  Not to you, not to anyone else.  Also, dead men can't spread rumors.  You wouldn't want him telling the whole world you're a psycho, now would you?  You need to get him before he gets you and there's only one way to silence him and to protect yourself and others. Think of the children.

Kill him. 

It's the only way to be sure.

D. M. Gremlin wrote:

You need to kill him.  Right now.  He could be reading your post right now and plotting against you.  You can't let this happen.  Not to you, not to anyone else.  Also, dead men can't spread rumors.  You wouldn't want him telling the whole world you're a psycho, now would you?  You need to get him before he gets you and there's only one way to silence him and to protect yourself and others. Think of the children.

Kill him. 


  Finally... The voice of reason!
It's the only way to be sure.

D. M. Gremlin wrote:

You need to kill him.  Right now.  He could be reading your post right now and plotting against you.  You can't let this happen.  Not to you, not to anyone else.  Also, dead men can't spread rumors.  You wouldn't want him telling the whole world you're a psycho, now would you?  You need to get him before he gets you and there's only one way to silence him and to protect yourself and others. Think of the children.

Kill him. 

It's the only way to be sure.

lol

Just take an escort.

D. M. Gremlin wrote:

You need to kill him.  Right now.  He could be reading your post right now and plotting against you.  You can't let this happen.  Not to you, not to anyone else.  Also, dead men can't spread rumors.  You wouldn't want him telling the whole world you're a psycho, now would you?  You need to get him before he gets you and there's only one way to silence him and to protect yourself and others. Think of the children.

Kill him. 

It's the only way to be sure.

And don't forget to burn the body!

Michael Kirst wrote:
LOL...!! There are some pretty funny posts in here. I like the one about killing him immediatly because he's probably seen the post and is plotting against you. LMAO. No, the thing to do is be honest. Tell him that your not comfortable with coming alone and see if he/she allows an escort. If they don't allow the escort it could either be a red flag or just the way they conduct thier shoots. I think most importantly you want to keep your own integrity solid. That thing some other model said about "lie if you have to" to skip the shoot is crap. Just be honest. If the photog is trustworthy and is really not a creep his response back to you should be a professional one. He will probably get upset that someone has said this about him and he should be kind to you because it's not really your fault. I imagine if he IS a nutjob then his response will be something more like WHATTHEFUCKAREYOUTALKINGABOUT!!!AHHHH! Heh. You have to learn to become a good judge of peoples character in this industry and go with what your gut tells you. Oh yeah...and honesty really is the best policy usually. Haters breed haters. How well do you know the sources of the 'freak talk'?

ditto.

D. M. Gremlin wrote:
You need to kill him.  Right now.  He could be reading your post right now and plotting against you.  You can't let this happen.  Not to you, not to anyone else.  Also, dead men can't spread rumors.  You wouldn't want him telling the whole world you're a psycho, now would you?  You need to get him before he gets you and there's only one way to silence him and to protect yourself and others. Think of the children.

Kill him. 

It's the only way to be sure.

I think that's the best post I've ever read on these forums.  I (and everyone around me that I just read this to) are still laughing.  Think of the children, indeed.

FeliciaMO wrote:
What happens when you book with someone who you later find out, from other models and photogs, is a freak? I have found myself stuck between a rock and a hard spot with this one. I don't wanna tie up my time going to a shoot that I can expect to be uncomfortable because I don't want photographers to think I'm a no show....What is the protocol for this? Do I eat up my lack of research to begin with or do I play it safe?
Fefe

I say you cancel with that photog, and shoot with me.

Really though, I suggest being honest. First of all, if you don't feel safe and comfortable, Do Not Go. If it's not that serious, be honest, and let the photog know about the feedback. No way he/she can change the behaviour, if he/she does not realize people are on to him/her.

Star wrote:
The recording device should be "packed away" as stated above. However if the photog started snorting crank and playing with guns the only real proof a girl could have, admissable in court and all, is if they had a way of DOCUMENTING the behavior.

At the point the model has to take out the device, the shoot should already be over,

Star

Why stop at a video camera?  Just have her bring a pistol.  Everyone knows we photographers are all pervs and predators anyway...Not like the paragons of virtue that women meet and go off [alone] with at bars every night of the week.

Doug Lester wrote:
if you are not comfortable, CANCEL IT AND DON'T GO. Is that really difficult?

Sometimes I wonder why I still come here. No! I remember! I come here for entertainment.

hells yeah, i feel the same way too, lol, but you know whats funny? you have these girls who will contemplate shooting in these types of situations and theyre dead serious, but if you have a highly reputable photographer contact a girl to work with them, and chances are theyre going to no-show the shoot and then conjure up one of the usual 5 excuses in the hall of fame excuse vault, lol.

i have seen a very popular girl on here no-show a highly reputable photographer for a mag slot (and basically said she kinda chickened out), but didnt have any problem contemplating to show up for a known "fresh" dude who's work can be questioned, but despite his known baggage (which is complained about in various public forums all over), she still considered... and eventually worked with him, which turned out to be kinda a nail in the coffin for her because she hasnt recovered from that bad shoot since.

Star wrote:
Bring an escort, no escort no shoot. I would also suggest perhaps some sort of video recording device packed away for if the shoot goes bad so you can take it out and film the behavior,

Star

If you have to bring a recording device then don't even bother... goodness!  The only person that needs any type of "recording device" is the photographer to take photographs with.  Seriously.  Packing away a recording device has to be one of the MOST paranoid and outrageously dumb words of advice that you could give anyone.  If you need to pack one away so bad for your safety you shouldn't even be doing the shoot!  If you need to do this you might as well work with a different photographer, you know there's a lot of us right? O.o

Thuy Anh wrote:

If you have to bring a recording device then don't even bother... goodness!  The only person that needs any type of "recording device" is the photographer to take photographs with.  Seriously.  Packing away a recording device has to be one of the MOST paranoid and outrageously dumb words of advice that you could give anyone.  If you need to pack one away so bad for your safety you shouldn't even be doing the shoot!  If you need to do this you might as well work with a different photographer, you know there's a lot of us right? O.o

Sad aint it? Some who give advice like this and even practice what they are preaching need a belt to their ass.