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Give the model credit!
Man, I have come across too many photographer's photos that do not give the model any credit, no name, even if they are on MM. Like they dont want anyone else to know who she is and then you have to hunt them down just for a name. Get over it, put the credit up or at least a freakin name please. Thanks. May 11 06 01:26 pm Link I have many models who are not on any modeling sites... May 11 06 01:28 pm Link Rich Mohr wrote: Same here...but I still put their name in the title of the pic... May 11 06 01:31 pm Link Is it just polite to give the model credit or is it something that should be done or what? I always give the photographer credit but if someone pays me do they have to give me credit? May 11 06 01:31 pm Link MichaelBell wrote: I agree!! I put the models name and her MM# if I have it. May 11 06 01:36 pm Link I always give credit to models AND MUA/Stylist (if one was used). No mater if I paid or the shoot was TFP. This is about networking and you never know how a simple thing as a credit can help someone along thier career. I often look at photographer's portfolio and find models to work with because I saw a picture of them in that photographer's port. The model may not have even liked the photo but when it leads to work the like it then..lol. Let's help each other out. If the model is not on this site, at least try to provide some reference if you can like an OMP# or if the model has thier own website. May 11 06 01:37 pm Link Obviously one has to list those involved, it's not a matter of being polite, it's just done!! May 11 06 01:37 pm Link Generally models are not given credit's in a photographer's portfolio. Anyone who doubts that, spend some time perusing the online ports of any of the real, credible mainstream photographers who have sites of their own. Model credits are very unusual. If someone wants to do it, fine. If they have an agreement with the model to do it, fine. But a photographer's portfolio is about the photographer, not the model, and it isn't reasonable to complain because a photographer chooses to make it just that. In addition . . . . There are times when a model's credit should not be given. For instance: I have a topless shot of a model on my MM portfolio now. The model has seen it, approved its use here, and has signed a release. But she doesn't want credits as a nude model, and prefers that I not identify her. That's her choice, and it's just fine. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just do what we think appropriate to the situation and be left alone to do it until a person who actually has a stake in it complains? I would add: A model's portfolio is about the model. I give pictures to the model without obtrusive markings to identify me, and do not request a photographer credit. Sometimes a model chooses to give me one, often they do not. That's fine too. May 11 06 01:39 pm Link MichaelBell wrote: Some photographers just dont feel the need to put down models names they've worked with.....strange but true. May 11 06 01:48 pm Link Even if they aren't on this site, I always give them credit in the "Title" section. The deal I make with them is that they can use the images for self promotion as long as they give all parties including me credit when doing so. Only fair to do the same when I use them, right? I also really hate when models and especially MUA and stylists don't give credit...grrr May 11 06 01:51 pm Link TXPhotog wrote: I guess one of the biggest questions would be should there be a difference in use on networking sites versus individual sites and marketing materials. In otherwords, I generally do not put credit on the images on my personal business website, in my physical book or on comp-cards. However, when I put images on sites such as this which is purely for networking purposes, I think it is only fair to give credit, especially if that site is how you and the model/MUA/Stylist first came in contact. May 11 06 02:00 pm Link It's only proper courtesy to give appropriate credits on sites like this, where we're all networking. Likewise, if the 'model' is not in the biz and wants to remain anonymous, that should be respected as well. May 11 06 02:02 pm Link Let me rephrase myself: All the great photographers on Model Mayhem in my area credit their models.  Actually, I haven't seen very many people who refuse to share MM numbers (or at least the first name or something). Even if a first name doesn't let you directly contact the model through the portfolio, it only takes a few minutes to use the browse function and see if she has one. It's better than nothing at all. If the model does have a MM portfolio, the not-wanting-people-to-contact-the-model thing doesn't make any sense to me. And I look at it this way: if I have a choice between working with an amazing photographer on MM who will link back to my portfolio, or a not-so-great one that refuses to credit any of their models, which one would I pick? Besides, when I see a photographer's portfolio with 20 images and not a single credit/model name anywhere, I tend to assume they're just stolen... *shrug* (Or there must be a reason why the photographer doesn't want people contacting any of the models... which probably means I should shouldn't work with them anyway.) Yes, I am an internet model. May 11 06 02:15 pm Link _Kimberly wrote: A child of the Internet speaks. May 11 06 03:03 pm Link Credit is a good thing! That's true in any business... if your work with someone leads to more work in the future for them from other sources, they'll appreciate the reference. It's a benefit to everyone involved. I like to give credit whenever I can... I know I'd want a photographer to do the same for me! May 11 06 03:05 pm Link _Kimberly wrote: Really? May 11 06 03:09 pm Link TXPhotog wrote: Ah bullshit dude. Models are on here to MAKE MONEY!! How are they going to do that if photographers dont credit them so other people can contact them about work? If its some agency girl that only takes agency work, thats different. 95% of the models on MM are INTERNET models so one would assume that they make money off the INTERNET and are comfortable with having people know who they are and want to get other work. May 11 06 03:33 pm Link MichaelBell wrote: Who are you to judge whether or not a model that I or any other photographer has worked with wants a model credit on some Internet networking site? What business is it of yours? If the model has a complaint, she can make it. If she does not, your role should be to let people do what they think is best and not to criticize them for not doing it they way you assume someone else would want it done. May 11 06 03:38 pm Link Wow...okay, let's see where I can begin. I think as far as MM goes, which I believe is what this particular post is about, that it would be nice to be given credit for the work you've done with a fellow Mmer. That is, of course, based solely on the determination that the parties involved want to be acknowledged. MM IS a networking site, so a few more situations than not, the parties involved would agree to be given credit on one another's page. The bottom line is every situation is different and it's really up to those involved in that shoot/project. Now what happens in the "real world" or in the "high-fashion" industry maybe different, I'm quite sure it is no doubt, but let's stick to the subject that's being discussed. So much track-jumping, YYEESSHH! :p May 11 06 03:54 pm Link TXPhotog wrote: This is true. May 11 06 04:07 pm Link Well... I wouldn't say a photographer is obligated to credit the model. But, if it's a MMMember, it's very easy to do. For the sake of argument (for those of you who seem to be arguing this particular point) let's assume for a moment that MM is a veritable well of paying gigs for models. Let's also assume that a client is looking through a photographer's profile and sees the perfect model for one of these hypothetical paying gigs. Let's also -for the sake of argument- say that the photographer has not credited the model. Is that the end? Is it "Too bad you haven't been credited, I'll book a model on this very page who's name I can find so I can hurry up and return to surfing for porn..."?? Come, now. That's not even reasonable. Should I have one of those hypothetical paying gigs and see a model in someone's profile who isn't credited I have 2 choices: a) ask the photographer a simple question: "Hey, would you mind providing the name of girl x in photo y?" or... b) use the search function. Perhaps I'll find that model. Perhaps I'll find one even better. I'd assume that if I was hypothetically searching for hypothetical models for a hypothetically paying gig... ...well I'd probably be searching models' profiles anyway, not photographers!! Since, I'm... y'know, looking for models. Hypothetically speaking... May 11 06 04:10 pm Link TXPhotog wrote: Yes, exactly. I'm talking about MM. TXPhotog wrote: Again, only talking about MM. May 11 06 04:27 pm Link Philip of Dallas wrote: I agree. It seems the nice thing to do is to give credit to all people involved unless someone wishes to stay anonymous. May 11 06 04:31 pm Link _Kimberly wrote: In that case, could you please direct us to the MM profile of a "great photographer" in your area? So we can see how he handles credits to great models? May 11 06 04:43 pm Link Hmmm, the majority of ladies I work with would be horified if I provided their name on a web site. They don't want it and several have made specific agreements with me prohibiting the use of their name. I would have absolutely no objection to crediting a model if she wanted it. BTW, I've had a shoot scheduled with only two models from this site, but unfortunately neither showed up. May 12 06 10:11 am Link It's a two way street....many models here don't give credit to the photographers on this website that shot them. I give credit to all of the models I've shot from MM, but I can't say the courtesy was extended my way. May 12 06 10:24 am Link it does go both ways i always try to give credit even if they arent on mm. May 12 06 02:48 pm Link TXPhotog wrote: Thank you for being part of the real world. May 12 06 02:58 pm Link TXPhotog wrote: Thank you again. Boy you're saving me a ton of typing time! May 12 06 03:00 pm Link |
