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I don't think I have ever been this p*ssed off about modelling and the lack of responsiblities that models take in their actions. Some opinions please, I think I might need to be put in my place, so that I can prevent this from happening again or maybe snap me out of being so nice..... I have spent the past month and 1/2 planning a trip to Montreal. The kicker is that, I always bring along another model while I travel to cut down expenses. Generally, I find out all their restrictions and limitations and then plan all the shoots accordingly. I plan everything for the model, leaving her with only packing her bag (according to my outlined list) and getting there. I even pay for the hotel deposit and all expenses along the way. At the end of the trip, she gets 1/2 of the money made, minus expenses (which does not include the countless hours I spend on the computer or the long distance calls). I do most of this out of the kindness of my heart (and a little, for my personality of taking the bull by the horns). Anyways, after all this planning, I get a email, not even a call, this morning (the day we are to leave), that she can no longer come!?!?!?! Because, "I appoligise monica...I wasn't able to make the shoot nor drive u up-. My van isn't feeling that great these days and I can't afford to get stranded up in Montreal. Also the pay wasn't enough 4 me...I was expecting $3000. minimum 4 a 3-4 day shooting. Do accept my sincere appology." She tells me that she can make that same $1000 I promised her, in one day, 'turning tricks', so why leave the city? I cannot believe this. Would a person not know this, a week before. Maybe, a month before?!?!?! Do people even usually act this nice to eachother? I am doing too much for other models? How can I prevent myself from being scammed by models? Now I am stuck with paying a hotel deposit, NEVERMIND calling everyone to apologize for her lack of professionalism! Is $1000 to little to be making in 4 days? Why am I so confused and caught off guard? Just needed to vent and some reassurance that I am not the one at fault? Any tips I can use for next travel plans that can cut this problem out? Confused and p-ed off, MM Apr 28 06 05:32 am Link that's way too easy! Go ALONE. or, have a written contract. p.s.=turning tricks sounds like ... well you know  be wise and next time choose one that openly admit to do that kind of tricks!Apr 28 06 05:38 am Link Apparetently, she does do what you are thinking. I just wish I had know sooner. MM Apr 28 06 05:45 am Link I'm not in your shoes and I don't know the history of the situation, beyond what was shared. That said....... Where is it your responsibility to be all things to all people? You plan the trip, plan the shoot, pay the expenses.........see my point? Your traveling companion, your guest, has nothing invested - you've done it all. I understand "taking the bull by the horns" and taking control of the situation. Problem is, as you I'm sure you see now, is the bull is angry - and you're the one with his horns in your hands. You're the one feeling obligated to make apologies. In either event, it was a crappy way for her to behave. I'm sorry you've got these fires to put out now. As the other responder said, "get a written contract" - make it a business deal...... FWIW - Bill Ballard Blue Water Photography Savannah, GA [email protected] Apr 28 06 06:02 am Link I had a similar situation a few years back. This dude bailed on me like four days before we were to leave, but he had a good excuse. He had lost his day job and needed to spend the time finding a new one or not be able to pay the next months rent. we werent going to be making profits but get into some cool concerts for free (I was a sound technician back then no a photographer.) I'd say next time get a signed contract but she would have just violated it. Contracts dont hold anyone, but they often scare away unreliable people. Hope for better for you in the future. Martin IV Apr 28 06 06:48 am Link A signed contract would be nice, but more than that I'd get them to put some sort of investment into it as well. The other person should have some money and time invested in it, and likely they will be less inclined to want to cancel at the last moment. If you do go for a written contract, I'd be sure to put a clause in there that should they cancel you keep whatever money they have invested in the project. Sorry that you ran into the trouble. I hope that next time you'll be able to do it a bit differently so that its a little more secure for both of you. Apr 28 06 08:36 am Link This is an industry that is very flaky at best. People have all sorts of issues that are usually counter-productive to your issues. That being said, this is a business transaction and you are taking on too much risk. You should mitigate your risks by having them sign a contract that stipulates actions by all parties. Collect a non-refundable deposit that covers your time and efforts. You can build in clauses around cancellation time before the event date. At best, working with people in this part of the modeling industry over the internet can be frustrating. Unless you know the person very well, created a working business relationship, and collected deposits then it will always be that way. Remember you are working with girls, not mature women but 'girls' who are usually in their 20's and don't have a clue about life. They like many people in general are very selfish and only care about what is in it for them. To a certain extent we are all guilty of this, just some more than others. Good luck. m Apr 28 06 08:45 am Link Your story made my morning. Especially the "turning tricks" part. I'm still laughing. Apr 28 06 08:47 am Link Ungrateful. Apr 28 06 08:49 am Link Thanks for the responces. Looks like I will be holding girls more accountable in the future. I may consider a contract but more likely a deposit for hotel costs. Now the problem comes of trying to book some paying shoots this upcoming week on the last minute. LOL like that is going to happen. Thanks again, MM Apr 28 06 10:29 am Link I too was surprised by your second bailing out to turn tricks until I read the "Restrictions" list in your portfolio. "Notes: Restrictions: anything illegal, penetration below the belt with men, scat, runway (Iâm not trained), fitness (Iâm not buff)" If I were reading your "Restrictions" to see what you were open to, I might think it said you do anything legal, penetration anywhere except below the belt with men, and everything else imaginable except scat. That looks like an adult film performer's restriction list to me. Last I was aware MM didn't allow people to work that end of the industry through their site. If you don't want people thinking you are an "Adult performer" you might consider rewriting your "Restrictions" list. These rules apply to every area of ModelMayhem.com (forums, shout box, comments, messages, etc). [4] NO PORNOGRAPHY! We would like to keep ModelMayhem.com a "work-safe" environment. No pornographic, sexually offensive, sexually explicit, or objectifying material. This includes linking to such material. Moderator's judgment applies here. Apr 28 06 10:53 am Link Adult is in my opinion in the eye of the beholder. Playboy is adult but may models here would pose for Playboy. Artistic nudes are also adult. In reality, anything that can only be shoot by adult, and not minors, is adult! So yes, I do adult. Apr 28 06 10:57 am Link Wait a minute?!?! I was not the one turning tricks, I do not escort. I think I read ur post wrong the first time. The model who bailed on me, was the one turnning tricks. Apr 28 06 10:59 am Link Monika, Monika, Monika. People,, (Not all mind you) are selfish, self absorbed, inconsiderate SHITBAGS! And yes you are too nice,,,,,,! I am the same way, I take charge and make plans and in the process usually put myself out on the limb only to be shafted by the person I am helping. If someone does not have a vested interest in something whether it is cash, equipment or time then by human nature they could give two shits about whats going on. these people are takers not givers and not helpers, they are only there for whats in it for them. Sorry to be harsh or blunt, but Fuck those people, they are useless to mankind. NO a contract makes no difference whatsoever! You can't enforce anything when you are dealing with dirtballs. As for the bitch needing more that $1,000.00,,, Thats not your fault, you see she needs more than that to support her daily Crack habit. You were certainly lucky she didn't go and I'll tell ya why. This type of asshole would have bled you dry and been a pain in the ass the whole time so consider yourself lucky she bailed. The important thing to remember is to not let people like this turn you into one of them. It seems to be a vicious cycle in society today where nice people get screwed so they turn hard hearted towards others that are really deserving of your kindness. The key is to look at things more closely and make sure a partnership of any kind has equal vested interest. Have a great day! Apr 28 06 11:00 am Link This world is filled with ungratefull people indeed....Now you wouldnt be able to trust anyone else, because of her. Apr 28 06 11:00 am Link Hell if she wouldnt do it I surely would make my way up there in her place...lol. I can easily see how you could be upset. Models stop giving us good ones a bad name DAMN! Apr 28 06 11:01 am Link Monika Maple wrote: If she can make $1000,00 a day why is she not driving a new Mercedes SL.? Apr 28 06 11:08 am Link Sorry to hear of your unfortunate events!!! An earlier poster was right she would have been a pain in the _ss and probably bled you dry, or any other way she could. Also some one asked why is she not driving a Mercedes??? Is because she habitually makes bad decisions and can not afford the bad decisions and the Mercedes!!! I wish our locations not so very far apart, so that I might work with you!!! I always leave good impressions and give 110%, thats just part of the deal!!! Sincerely, Natalie Apr 29 06 08:58 am Link Okay, so you are 21 years old and have discovered that traveling companions and business associates will sometimes flake on you. Sadly, this will probably happen to you again in the future, as it does to everybody. Here's where you went wrong: you planned everything, arranged everything, which left no commitment on the other party's part. The result could be predicted. I suggest that future ventures may prove more successful if you test your partners ahead of time by dividing tasks among all parties and seeing how well the others do their share. Apr 29 06 09:05 am Link phcorcoran wrote: or better yet make them cover some of the deposits... Apr 29 06 09:15 am Link Several people here are very on target. First even if she went with you, turning tricks? Ewww! Next time when you set things up get some sort of cash deposit. It sounds like you're very nice but this bussiness. Apr 29 06 09:17 am Link next time have more peeps on hand ready to fill in, just in case... Enforcing a contract is hard as it is, so thinking to force it on someone, might border criminal... Peeps in the business world do it every day, but they just get away with it and we suck it up, as not to spend time incarcerated... Apr 29 06 09:21 am Link Connection slow... today... double clicked... Edit needs a delete button... Apr 29 06 09:21 am Link Monika Maple wrote: Therein lies your problem Apr 29 06 09:24 am Link Monika Maple wrote: Goes 2 show u! NEVER trust a stage magician!! Apr 29 06 09:29 am Link I am confused about the "turning tricks" thing? Is she a hooker? Well if she is that is weird that she would flake. Hookers are the most stable people in the world and always do the right thing. Apr 29 06 10:46 am Link Sorry to hear your problem, I have had a few last minute cancels after a lot of planning. I learned from it and expect it from some and plan other options! Apr 29 06 11:01 am Link Models flaking models. Sounds like a new reality series to me! Apr 30 06 05:50 am Link |
