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The irony of art....
My Rant.... I used to have some still lifes and shadow studies in my port when I first posted a portfolio here. Then I was blasted in the Shoutbox because this website is "Model" mayhem. I had too many "Artsy" shots and some models figured I was "Unable to shoot people". I thought I was in violation of some unwritten rules, so I removed the pics and replaced them. I still try to display more artistic style images, but I feel that Artistic photography gets less respect than it deserves. While I continue to shoot still lifes and shadow studies, I will not post them here. Although I feel that they are strong visual images, I'm using this site to find models to shoot for my artistic endeavors. I have to appeal to the models on this site, and apparently only images of other models will do. And only fashion/glam/commercial is worthy of any response. This is still an artist's community, with Photographer as artist and model as muse. Photography is definitely a commercial medium. That goes without question. All of us who have studied photography, have had to study through a fine arts curriculum. Once we leave school it is all about making a living, but so many of us in this community seem to turn backs to the artform. Most of us here were attracted to photography because we wanted to have a part in creating beautiful and interesting images. Some are here purely for commercial reasons and that is fine, but let us not forget that photography is an Artform, and we should all keep it alive. P.s. I did leave in one non-model study...my stand in defiance! Apr 27 06 09:07 pm Link Albie Bruno wrote: I don't have a root cellar here, so I've been keeping mine wrapped in a damp cheesecloth in the fridge. Apr 27 06 09:31 pm Link an artist speaks what is in their soul regardless of what others have to say about the art. taking down your art, and refusing to put it back because you were sumarially accausted in the shout box shows that you are not confident in your own art. if you are an artist, your duty as an artist is to produce what is inside you; to reflect what it is that you wish to say to the world... if you let the world clip your tongue off before you even start to speak... you are doing yourself and the world a great disservice. Fuck em. Do what you do... matter fact, do more of exactly what they railed against you for. You're the artist, who gives a flying shit about commercialism. Commerce has only given us wheaties and keds; art has given us picaso and dali and pollack and nirvana and nin... don't give in to what is popular..... give in to what is in you. that's my rant. Apr 28 06 05:47 am Link You should always post whatever images you feel strongest about, but I'm not sure if publishing still-lifes on a modelling site isn't counter-intuitive. Sort of like going into a bakery to buy plumbing supplies. But what do I know? Apr 28 06 06:18 am Link I say put your art, if that is what you are looking to shoot. BUT think of you audience and what you are looking for. You wouldnt describe your hat if you wanted to doctor to explain why you are having stomach aches. (Bad anogly, I know) If you are looking to shoot models, they want to know how you generally shoot models. But by all means put some of your art as well. The problem with MM is you only have 20 spots, and I assume you are hear to meet Models (hence model mayhem, instead of portfolios.com) So gear you portfolio to what you are looking for and have a seperate site linked with your art works. Most togs have different print portfolios (1-fashion, 1-nudes, 1-art), and the online world is very similar. MM Apr 28 06 06:38 am Link Well....I hear all of your comments. As far as being confident in my art, I most definitely am. Modelmayhem isn't where I'll gain my fame. I'm now only using this site to acquire models. I first thought it would be an excellent venue to showcase some of my work, but now I see this as it is, a "model agency". My rant was to demonstrate the lack of respect artistic photography receives as opposed to commercial photography by some members of "This" community. The artform should be respected by all...... Apr 28 06 08:47 am Link But that is the best part of art...ones person's gem is another person's rock. Apr 28 06 09:49 am Link Just remember to keep four (4) pictures of models up as per site rules. (Moderator) Apr 28 06 10:33 am Link Albie Bruno wrote: Why get rid of the art? I am currently posing for a painter whos portfolio was all still life. I liked what I saw although I wasnt sure if he would be good at painting people! Turns our he is amazing. I would be more impressed with what you consider true art. Apr 28 06 10:38 am Link "Fuck Art. Let's Dance." --Ian Dury - Stiff Records, 1977 Apr 28 06 10:42 am Link Eventually I'll put up some more Still lifes and Shadow studies...Maybe even some paintings and illustrations as well.... For now....figurative photography Apr 28 06 10:44 am Link Even more irony.... Ian Dury had polio and couldn't dance. Sad Apr 28 06 10:47 am Link Albie Bruno wrote: Don't let others create your portfolio. Put up what you're proud of. Apr 28 06 10:49 am Link Albie Bruno wrote: You've zeroed in on why I have more than one on-line portfolio. About 10% of my work is with models ... and I keep a portfolio here on this free site that has some of the work I've done with models .. because ... well, because it's MODELMayhem. Apr 28 06 11:37 am Link I'm still proud of the work I have up....I only have less variety up now Apr 28 06 11:41 am Link Is it better to have a port full of images that are more mainstream and attract mainstream models, when that's not what you want to shoot? Or is it better to show what you want to do.. Get fewer people interested, but know the ones that are are actually up for what you have in mind.. I don't know the answer.. I'd like to, but I don't.. My stuff is getting stranger as I go along.. And in 6 months from now, I'm not sure if anyone's going to want to work with me.. On the other hand.. The ones that do, will know what I'm about.. Apr 28 06 11:45 am Link My port here reflects what I want from here. My web sites show other aspects of my photographic range and interests. I find it best to use this site for advertising the work with models. Apr 28 06 11:55 am Link I don`t even bother to post any of my art stuff here anymore. Human or not. This is not the place. Photo.net and PhotoSig.com are good though. But those seem to be photographer only. I wish there were sites like those that were for art photographers AND art models. Apr 28 06 01:37 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: Me too Apr 28 06 01:39 pm Link ehi! the more they try to put me down, the more I do it  there's a specific place for everything, but, when you're twisted inside, no matter what, when and where, it will show up, always  so, as Ched said, simply follow the rules, but do as you please  Apr 28 06 01:49 pm Link Albie Bruno wrote: I shall start one then Apr 28 06 01:50 pm Link Glamour Boulevard wrote: Sign me up Apr 28 06 01:51 pm Link ravens laughter wrote: Couldn't have said it better myself! Apr 28 06 05:02 pm Link There are sites that cater to artists and art models. But better why not get yourself on a site for your countries artists. I know there are a bunch for Canadian artists of all ranges (sculpture, painters, photographer, ect.) You can check out: www.number1artist.com http://www.portfolios.com Canadian: http://www.artistsincanada.com http://www.buycanuck.com/pages/Retail/Photography/ http://www.portfolio.ca/index.html http://www.somewhereincanada.com http://www.buyitcanada.com http://www.canadianartistsontheweb.ca/ Hope that helps, MM Apr 28 06 05:03 pm Link There are sites that cater to artists and art models. But better why not get yourself on a site for your countries artists. I know there are a bunch for Canadian artists of all ranges (sculpture, painters, photographer, ect.) You can check out: www.number1artist.com http://www.portfolios.com Canadian: http://www.artistsincanada.com http://www.buycanuck.com/pages/Retail/Photography/ http://www.portfolio.ca/index.html http://www.somewhereincanada.com http://www.buyitcanada.com http://www.canadianartistsontheweb.ca/ Hope that helps, MM Apr 28 06 05:03 pm Link The reason every photographer is here is to hook up with models. If one primarily does other work, he must swallow his pride and show pictures as bait to attract models. Artists are obligated to show their work. But they are not obligated to show it where it will not be appreciated. -Don Apr 28 06 08:18 pm Link Albie Bruno wrote: You mean that part of this site that no one sees and the replies are only up for five minutes, if that? Just ignore it and post your favorite work. Apr 28 06 09:50 pm Link You know, having been raised in the art community all my life (my mother is an oil painter, literally from the day I was born), one of the early things I learned is that you don't hold an exhibition in a janitors closet, unless your main audience is brooms. Apr 28 06 10:07 pm Link |
