Gregory Garecki wrote:
Maybe they don't pose nude because they don't want to?

Oh that is ok and quite fine too.

VirtuaMike wrote:
If the shot calls for it then sure. But there are plenty of ways to sell without ripping your clothes off.

This is absolutley true. This may be what some models mean, when they say "I love the way ______ works". When the model feels that the photographer captures her images in ways that shows her sex appeal, without her having to bear all.

Tony Culture Photoz wrote:
Sex is selling here :
https://www.modelmayhem.com/pics.php?id=5571
For the record, I love this dude's work.

Intensity wrote:
why do something that maybe later on in life you might regret.Just because you were pressure. When it comes to posing nude you should be totally comfortable and ready for it.

I agree with you too. NO one should ever feel pressured to do anything at all. Each and every person should recognise that he/she has the right/privelege to take time to think about things and decide against it, if he/she does not agree or see as beneficial to him/her.

Problem is, in the real world, that's not so. It all comes down to having your mind right.

Ransom J wrote:
My problem is never the one's that say they won't pose nude.  Personally i don't care.  What DOES bother the shit out of me is the ones that say stuffin their profiles like "No nudes!  I have respect for myself!"  "No thongs!  I'm not a whore!  I keep it classy!"

By default they are insulting every model that choses a path THEY don't chose.  Even more stupid is they are saying they "respect themselves" and are "classy" because they have a port full of prudish clothed work, as if whores never take pictures in turtlenecks.

Since when did your clothing or lack there of in a photograph of you MODELING dictate how many peole you sleep with or how much you LOVE yourself?  I've known some of the loosest sluts in the world that look like the girl next door happy go lucky innocent flower.  I've known girls witht he lowest self esteem that walk around in ski suits with full long john underwear.

It just bother's me how JUDGEMENTAL some of these "I don't do nudes" chicks (and photographers) are to anybody that follows a different career choice than them.

Thank you very much ! This is the same thing I am saying. I didn't do this to try to get models to shoot nude, I did it to make the points you express with this statement.

CristinaLex wrote:
Just like the Thread about Booty Shots and why African American Models shouldnt do them...But half the models in there who opposed to doing booty shots said they were going to do swimsuit and or lingerie.LMAO


ahhhDUHHHHH....does it make a difference lol...

Exactly.  You have two chicks int he same bikini, one turns around for the back shot one faces the camera, but the one that faced the camera calls the one that did the back shot  a HOE.  LMAO.  Backwards ass yamp.  I swear these "models" kill me.  Especially because puritan right Americans thinks they're whore for posing for ANY pics that could be taken in sexual context in the FIRST place, yet they can cast their judgement on those in the same boat as them just because these people do it different??  BUFFOONERY!

Yanique wrote:
*SIGHS* here we go again..b/c you don't pose nude you're a prude??....you don't have to be naked to sell sex...furthermore if one doesn't want to then they just don't some models (such as myself) don't want to put their naked body out there for everyone to see...it's to each its own...that simple.

WHo said that?

Ransom J wrote:

WHo said that?

Tony Culture Photoz wrote:
If so, why all the prudishness about "No nudes, don't even ask" ?

I am not trying to persuade prudish models to become nudists, but if you are serious about modeling, then you should be ready and willing to perform as a model at all times.

Tony

Yanique wrote:

Ransom J wrote:
WHo said that?

Tony

Well he clarified later that what he was gettign at wasn't a problem with those that chose not to do nudes, it's the prudish attitudes of those that judge other that DO do nudes that this post was aimed at.  maybe he didn't address that point well in the begin ning.  I don't think anybody has a problem with a model making her own personal opinions and choise, it's when they pass their public judgement on OTHERS that it becomes a problem.  Read my first post.  That's what Tony was getting at.

Ransom J wrote:
WHo said that?

Yanique wrote:
Tony

Ransom J wrote:
Well he clarified later that what he was gettign at wasn't a problem with those that chose not to do nudes, it's the prudish attitudes of those that judge other that DO do nudes that this post was aimed at.  maybe he didn't address that point well in the begin ning.  I don't think anybody has a problem with a model making her own personal opinions and choise, it's when they pass their public judgement on OTHERS that it becomes a problem.  Read my first post.  That's what Tony was getting at.

Thank youk, Ranson J. That is exactly what I was getting at. Sorry about the confusion there, Yanique. I do respect yours and anyone else's choice not to shoot nude. In fact, I do agree, one can be very sexy without nudity.

Tony Culture Photoz wrote:

Ransom J wrote:
WHo said that?

Yanique wrote:
Tony

Thank youk, Ranson J. That is exactly what I was getting at. Sorry about the confusion there, Yanique. I do respect yours and anyone else's choice not to shoot nude. In fact, I do agree, one can be very sexy without nudity.

ok got it now thanks for the clarification

John Jebbia wrote:
I can understand models who won't shoot porn. That's fine.

I can understand models who are extremely selective about who they will shoot nudes for and only under certain circimstances. That's fine too.

But it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever to have a blanket "No Nudes" policy unless you have some sort of clout in the industry (celebrity status).

A shy model? Come on! That's such an oxymoron.

Although there are some exceptions, I usually pass up models who won't shoot nudes. It's not that I insist on shooting nudes all the time. In fact, lately I haven't been shooting them much at all. But there is nothing worse than having an idea in the middle of a shoot, but you're worried that you might offend the model by asking her to go beyond her stated limits. With a model who openly shoots nudes, it's never an issue.

That is all.

Why does this make no sense?  I mean, I understand that it's less convenient for you, but why is it so nonsensical that some people aren't interested in gettin naked?

Melissa Lynnette wrote:
Why does this make no sense?  I mean, I understand that it's less convenient for you, but why is it so nonsensical that some people aren't interested in gettin naked?

A shy model makes no sense. That's why.

John Jebbia wrote:

A shy model makes no sense. That's why.

John you were just getting so spoiled shooting with me... not shy and willing to walk down the side of a well traveled road naked or barely clothed.

Brandy wrote:
John you were just getting so spoiled shooting with me... not shy and willing to walk down the side of a well traveled road naked or barely clothed.

Yep. We've done that quite a few times. Me in a bikini too.

D. Brian Nelson wrote:
Fantasy sells.

Fantasy is also what makes people want to be models or photographers.  It's nothing to do with reality, in either case.  Girls see pretty girls on magazine covers and want to be those girls; and boys see swimsuit specials and Playboy and hardcore and know someone took those pictures and want to be that lucky guy.  None of that has anything to do with the reality of commercial photography.

MM has nothing to do with the reality of commercial photography either.

"Models" don't have to buy in to "photographer's" fantasies or vice versa.  It's OK to live your own fantasy as long as you don't impose it on anyone else.

We "photographers" need to quit trying so hard to get the pretty girls to take off their clothes.  It's not their fantasy.  It's ours.

-Don

Edit:  Feel free to swap the gender roles above anyway you want.  I think this covers the majority, but the minority shouldn't be ignored, either.

*applause*  BRAVO!!

Ransom J wrote:

Well he clarified later that what he was gettign at wasn't a problem with those that chose not to do nudes, it's the prudish attitudes of those that judge other that DO do nudes that this post was aimed at.  maybe he didn't address that point well in the begin ning.  I don't think anybody has a problem with a model making her own personal opinions and choise, it's when they pass their public judgement on OTHERS that it becomes a problem.  Read my first post.  That's what Tony was getting at.

Are you fearful that those who preach are going to convince all the others to keep their clothes on?

Gregory Garecki wrote:
I don't shoot weddings because I don't want to and I don't care what I miss out on.

Would i pose nude for a wedding shoot? Sure...just waiting for the right client to ask me....

Lens N Light wrote:

Are you fearful that those who preach are going to convince all the others to keep their clothes on?

Absolutely not.  I ind those that preach to be demeaning and their words inflamatory.  much the same way that i find bible thumping christians that run around damn gays to hell as being out of pocket.

Funny thing is i've NEVER not ONCE asked a girl to pose nude or topless.  Contact every girl in my port and ask them yourself.  Apparantly some girls WANT to do it with no coaxing, talking, payment, or coersion.  So what I try to shoot would never get shut down by "preachers" that feel the need to demean and debunk and bash everybody that doesn't do what they do.