Intensity wrote:
They might not think you are pervert if you are reading vogue or something like that they problably think you are just gay. lol

lol yeah I've thought that before about  a temporary old boss of mine until he started hitting on me.

Luzana wrote:
Is your last name Di'Carlo (sp?) by any chance? Be honest if it is, I may have worked for you before.

Lol  your post is funny.

Sorry, not me, my last name is Diaz. We've never met.

I don't bring in Vogue or anything, lol, just photo mags and books. Most will have a sexy fashion or glamour-type photo on the cover (e.g., American Photo, Picture, etc.). The fashion mags I keep at home and only browse through them for the pics.

And I doubt this would ever spiral out of control, lol... I treat everyone with respect and I don't really date in the workplace (I may flirt a little here and there with some that flirt with me, but they know I'm a photographer). Plus some of these girls' legality (immigration-wise) is quite questionable so that won't be a long courtroom battle

Ed Remington wrote:
It could be worse...You can just guess the comments I used to get on my construction job when I would bring in the latest issues of "V","S Magazine","Black +White" or any of the other Euro fashion mags.

That is until they saw some of the pictures in them and now the guys look forward to the new issues each month

LOL!

Porchia wrote:
I think that if you try and explain to them why you are looking at them they would understand and they might understand even more if you told them you were a photographer!

In my case, I don't really care to talk to them very much. There's a couple of cool ones, but most are new to the country, afraid of anyone they mostly hear speaking English (like myself, though I do speak Spanish), and have very, very small worlds. I find I have to explain fifty different things before they get even the simplest Americanism, and I've no patience as some of these chicks are pretty damn boring, ha! Same problems, same replies, same ideas.

Mark Fellows wrote:
3m offers a privacy screen that makes the monitor only able to be viewed from directly in front of the monitor.

Interesting. I should get one of those, I hate people trying to read the messages and e-mails I type as they walk by.

Chili wrote:
i just had to watch my company's sexual harrasment video (not only me, everyone had to, which BTW, has inspried me to make my own comedic version of it)

and what you are currently doing in your office, on company time, especially since you are a supervisor is CLEARLY creating a uncomfortable work environment

that is if you are viewing MM ports, with images of girls in bikinis, you my friend are a harrasser

I hope you're kidding, man. If not, then it's terribly obvious you've never set foot in my warehouse.

Besides, I skip the skimpy outfit photos and just try to read the forums, or look at profiles (but not pics, unless there's no one around). And I'll read whatever the hell I want, as long as it's not porn or Playboy or whatnot. And on top of all that... none of these people have any reason at all to be walking behind me and through my department (this is a warehouse, not an office with cubicles). In fact, my crew and I make fun of how all the girls just have to walk through when there's plenty of space around us. We are discussing expanding into the adjacent warehouse and when/if we do, I'm cordoning off my department as it's really a bother to have so much traffic in such a busy section. In the meantime, if they don't like what they see, none of which has ever been porn or even close to it, tough shit.

Hell I'm about the only supervisor who hasn't tried to bribe one of these girls with a permanent post in return for a little sumthin' sumthin'... Things have improved dramatically after a few people got fired, but it was really ridiculous just a couple of years ago. I really hate that place.

Visual E wrote:
Are all perverts male?

Nope - but all males are perverts..

Gabriel wrote:
Ladies, I'm (mostly) harmless, I'm just trying to be a fashion photographer!

Sometimes, in the case of some people, if there's even a "think", anywhere in it, because people stereotype a lot and I hear it from some of the younger adults, "Shooooot! he LOOKs like a pervert!", and I'm like, "Man! That's messed up.", and I only say that because it gives me flashbacks during the days of IBM mainframes and I'm right out of programming school trying to get a job.

"I'm sorry Mr. Perez, but I can't exactly picture you sitting behind a dumb terminal all day coding JCL and COBOL"

Asswipe. I can't exactly picture you having a wife and kids either, but that's besides the point.

Gabriel wrote:
I get the feeling sometimes, as they walk behind me staring at the screen or the cover of what I'm reading, that they don't have the right idea about me. LOL

What we sane people do is test our feelings about other people's thoughts, as they're walking behind us, against reality.

Gabriel wrote:

I hope you're kidding, man. If not, then it's terribly obvious you've never set foot in my warehouse.

Besides, I skip the skimpy outfit photos and just try to read the forums, or look at profiles (but not pics, unless there's no one around). And I'll read whatever the hell I want, as long as it's not porn or Playboy or whatnot. And on top of all that... none of these people have any reason at all to be walking behind me and through my department (this is a warehouse, not an office with cubicles). In fact, my crew and I make fun of how all the girls just have to walk through when there's plenty of space around us. We are discussing expanding into the adjacent warehouse and when/if we do, I'm cordoning off my department as it's really a bother to have so much traffic in such a busy section. In the meantime, if they don't like what they see, none of which has ever been porn or even close to it, tough shit.

Hell I'm about the only supervisor who hasn't tried to bribe one of these girls with a permanent post in return for a little sumthin' sumthin'... Things have improved dramatically after a few people got fired, but it was really ridiculous just a couple of years ago. I really hate that place.

oh my gawd!

JFC, i dont have to set foot in your warehouse

its a federal LAW!!!!!!

it doesnt matter if its a warehouse, factory, office, whatever

and if i owned your company, just based on what you've said so far, i would seriously consider dismissing you immediately, you (and even more so your co-supervisors) are a major liability

im being damn serious

Chili wrote:

oh my gawd!

JFC, i dont have to set foot in your warehouse

its a federal LAW!!!!!!

it doesnt matter if its a warehouse, factory, office, whatever

and if i owned your company, just based on what you've said so far, i would seriously consider dismissing you immediately, you (and even more so your co-supervisors) are a major liability

im being damn serious

As serious as you are, I still find it funny. Dismissing me? Yea, OK. Because I'm a photographer and I go to a model/photographer site, and for reading photo mags? Gimme a break. I've done more for that company than most people that have ever worked there.

And I barely talk to any of the girls there (most are trouble; desperately seeking US citizens - ahem!), but I treat all of them with respect. In fact, some have commented that I'm one of the few gentlemen in there. They don't bother me, I don't bother them.

It's true some have a casual attitude towards certain things in there (and like I said, it used to be much worse than "casual"), but I think you're blowing this out of proportion. I don't care to get into a pissing contest over the Internet, and maybe you don't either, so it looks like we're going to have to agree to disagree. You have a strong stance on the issue, but seem to be getting the wrong picture. I'm not looking at booty pics, I'm looking at fashion photos. The booty pics are, unfortunately, in the avatars sometimes, but I'm not one to cry about that. I can skip past them easily enough.

Just today I showed my site to one of the girls I'm friends with, she loved my work. Another one that has also seen it wants me to photograph her (so does her cousin, who used to work there).

What, in all of this, are you finding to be harassment? Have you misconstrued something - do I need to clarify an earlier post? I agree some guys in there need to have been fired a while back, but I'm not one of them.

I'm sorry, but I'm not getting where you're coming from...

UnoMundo Photography wrote:
Gabriel - is this clear.

You sit in your  cubicle /office all day. No, I'm on my feet all day long working my ass off packing up tons of CDs, invoicing orders, loading them onto trucks, taking care of problems that come up, and supervising my staff

your read semi -porno mags all day.Read the posts, dude - PHOTO MAGS. American Photo, Picture, Digital Photo Pro... not "Booty Monthly" or whatever. We all know that once you open these mags, you get mostly pics of camera gear...

Women are working hard all day.
Latina women are working  hard all day.Actually, some are quite lazy, like most people in there, but the ones that work hard know I work just as hard, day in, day out

You get paid to sit and read and watch the peons work hard all day for minimum wage,. Like I said above, I don't sit except at lunchtime (the only time I read these mags), and I have much better things to do than watch the peons all day

You(not now) get sex for a 'promise' of an offer  permanent job to hard working illegal aliens.No, not NOW, NOT EVER. Those guys are pieces of shit. I've never even gotten a phone number, my social life is elsewhere

What a country - what would we do without aliens working and poducing while Gabriel looks at implied nudes .

I hope you can correct this for yourself once you've read the above. And they're not neccessarily illegal, but I would say most have papers that are questionable. Some just disappear for a while, then come back. I've never pried, but heard too many rumors by now. I'd love to do something about it and help them out (in a legal way), but I've no idea how to go about that.

Chili wrote:
a hot girl on the cover of a magazine lying on your desk, a hot girl as a screen saver (even if its just a headshot) and having booty pix occassionally showing up in avatars while you peruse them online on your company computer

IS sexual harassment in a sufficently enough quantity to get you FIRED (practically on the spot) at just about any company in the USA,

IF SOMEONE complained about it Perhaps I need to brush up on my laws, but other than the booty avatars (which is what got me thinking), I don't see the potential for problems there. And the mag stays on my bike, I don't have a desk per se. What in the world is wrong with a beauty shot? I could send you a link to my current wallpaper...

now the fact that your company chooses to employee a bunch of illegal female aliens that are too afraid to be deported to complain (even if they knew what the harrasment laws are) is a different story

you are apparently un-informed about the harassment laws, thats pretty clear That's possible, hell we only started employing so many girls in the last few years

i dont have a strong feeling either way (if you get fired or not) I meant that you have a strong stance on the issue of sexual harassment, not about me.

but if your starting a forum post questioning whether women in your office think you're pervert...well, maybe they do amongst themselves, but are too afraid to be fired or deported, or simply dont know any better considering their country of origin and they way they are treated there I sure hope they don't. Well, I don't care what they think of me, really, but I don't want them walking around feeling like I treat them badly. I strongly doubt any of them talk about me much, like I said, there's not a whole lot of communication with me most of the time.

I hope that my last two posts have cleared some things up. You guys are taking a light-hearted thread and turning it into something it shouldn't be. Perhaps it's my fault as I'm very much a cynic, and write how I think. Perhaps I do need to brush up on my harassment laws.

But one thing that I can't be accused of is purposely attempting to demean women in some way. And you guys are on the verge of doing that. Hell I'm a photographer and like to surround myself with these photos because of a lifelong, and quite positive, obsession with women. If that offends the girls around me at work, I'm truly sorry but it is not my intent. However, this thread was originally meant to be a humorous and somewhat self-deprecating observation; I don't really feel the girls at work are insulted in some way.

Gabriel wrote:
You guys are getting ridiculous now.



I hope you can correct this for yourself once you've read the above. And they're not neccessarily illegal, but I would say most have papers that are questionable. Some just disappear for a while, then come back. I've never pried, but heard too many rumors by now. I'd love to do something about it and help them out (in a legal way), but I've no idea how to go about that.

I read the post Gabriel; I was teasing you just a bit.

Vegas Alien wrote:
Be very careful who sees what you're looking at.  I got written up on sexual harassment for sharing some of my images with a female colleague (ex-pro photographer who knew what I shot and she ASKED me to see them!).

Any female employee seeing anything they might feel a little offended by can put you and the company in a world of hurt.  Learn to Alt+Tab quickly to change to safe pages.

you got to be fucking kidding me..sexual harrassment write up? sounds like someone who needs some you know what, to calm her down. damn, talk about sergent dick on the job/duty 'harrassing' people.

UnoMundo Photography wrote:

I read the post Gabriel; I was teasing you just a bit.

Uhhhhhh... In that case, sorry for getting testy

Gabriel wrote:

Uhhhhhh... In that case, sorry for getting testy

Thats what you get from taking responses on the forum tooooo seriously!

take the time  and laugh!

Daniel Norton wrote:
Here's my 2 cents, if you feel like some ladies might think you are a perv because of your desktop image, then remove it. Not because you might get fired, but because it's the right thing to do, you can't tell me having a shot of a super-model on your screen will help make you a better photographer, and even if it did, they are not paying you to be a photographer, do your hobby on your own time.

all the best

Daniel

Now this, I completely agree with... I used to occassionally put up a swimwear shot or something, but after a while I realized that that might bother someone even if it wasn't a "booty shot" per se. I stopped doing that and now only go for headshots (now I have girls asking me, "Who is that? She's so pretty!"). Of course, I also put up sportbike stuff and Nat'l Geo wallpapers; it's not always girls.

Like I said, this thread was just poking fun at part of my daily scenario - I don't really feel like there is a problem like this in the workplace, at least not because of me. Otherwise, I would correct it. The warehouse used to be mostly composed of guys, so even the most noble among us still have that "guys' garage" mentality sometimes: one guy had a tool chest plastered with printouts of real booty photos ("I like them thick girls!" he said, lol), and they had to get taken down.

UnoMundo Photography wrote:

Thats what you get from taking responses on the forum tooooo seriously!

take the time  and laugh!

I know, I know.. I went to bed thinking, I just did what I always tell people not to do: get riled up over something on the Internet I never get involved in the political or religious threads to avoid doing that - and as a moderate liberal/atheist, I have plenty to say about some of that stuff! lol I make it a point to avoid discussing religion, politics, or abortion with friends.

And dang it, I have a great rep among my models, and like to keep it that way Imagine if a potential model from here read only some of this thread and thought, Jeez, I ain't shooting with some guy who likes to make girls feel like crap at his day job! lol Just about every model I've worked with over the years has walked away from a shoot telling me how professional and how much of a gentleman I was to them, and how it felt like they were shooting with a brother or longtime friend.

That's not the kind of guy to get involved in sexual harassment!

Vegas Alien wrote:
Be very careful who sees what you're looking at.  I got written up on sexual harassment for sharing some of my images with a female colleague (ex-pro photographer who knew what I shot and she ASKED me to see them!).

Any female employee seeing anything they might feel a little offended by can put you and the company in a world of hurt.  Learn to Alt+Tab quickly to change to safe pages.

Same with me, one of my female co-workers knew I was a photographer and asked about it, she then asked to see my portfolio, I warned her there were nudes in it and I would have to make another onw just for her to see, she said that it was alright, she was an adult, showed her and two days later I was written up for it, she complained to my boss!!!!!

Be careful, I know there is a time and a place for everything, I keep my job and photography separete!

Jack Checkowy wrote:

Same with me, one of my female co-workers knew I was a photographer and asked about it, she then asked to see my portfolio, I warned her there were nudes in it and I would have to make another onw just for her to see, she said that it was alright, she was an adult, showed her and two days later I was written up for it, she complained to my boss!!!!!

Be careful, I know there is a time and a place for everything, I keep my job and photography separete!

Wow,there's only one word for a girl like that, but I won't say it here. What the hell was her problem, anyway? You did warn her.

There are no nudes in my book, but there are a couple of lingerie photos and such, so I'm careful about who sees it. Basically, unless I've been talking to them for months, they don't see it. I think only about five or six girls - in all the years I've worked there - have seen it.

As for keeping the job and the photography separate, I'm working very hard to marry the two and say goodbye to the hellhole (aka day job), but I know what you meant.