Celestial Sinn wrote:
How do i make this transition? What is the best way?
Any help???

Sorry, I am not going to help.  Not from "insecurity" but from the fact that I don't understand the question.  (Truth be told, I don't understand the "alt/fetish" culture at all - which is why I can't help.)

But while we are on the topic, perhaps you could help me (and maybe others).  When you say, "commercial side of alt/fetish modeling" what does that mean?

I think of "commercial" modeling as, for instance, when a client has a product to sell and hires a model to help illustrate the concept he is promoting for his product.  Are you referring to "alt/fetish-related" products, and clients who are trying to sell them?  Or to something else?

Celestial Sinn wrote:
How do i make this transition? What is the best way?
Any help???

Pay a photographer.
Most good commercial shooter charge to take those images.
Rarely do they do then for free.

Maybe start with a name change.
but you are 5'0" so the ability to gain much work in the commercial arena will be small and this is also likely one of the reasons why these photographers are not choosing to shoot commercial style shoots with you.

Your profile reflects the shoots that you have been doing.
You might pick another site to show only commercial work under a different name.
(not allowed to have two models ports here)

If I were going to show a book for commercial work then I would not put my art work in the same book or even in the same site.

Trying to get two styles of shoots from one photographer on one day can be hard. 
You might do what you do and charge for it and then hire commercial photographers for that type of book leaving behind your other work.   Not even sure if they should know about it.

But with all this remember that you are 5'0" and even in commercial modeling that is going to be hard for you.

Celestial Sinn wrote:
Ok... I have been quite frustrated about this  for a bit now...
Why is it that better known models-most of the time- are so reluctant and even bitter towards models asking for advice or info???

Im not talking about "Hey! Help me get good gigs!"
But more along the lines of "How do i go about ____"  Or "What/How would you recommend for switching genres of modeling?"

Im not trying to take your work or photographers! Im just trying to get some advice! That is mainly the only reason i am on this site.

My personal problem:  I do fetish/alt ART modeling. I am pretty well known for what i do. I have been doing it for long enough. I have a lot of great connections in this genre, etc.
  I want to BROADEN my horizens and expand into another  genre of modeling. I want to spread my work into the commercial side of alt/fetish modeling (as well as still keep up the art side too). Ive been to meet-ups, group shoots, and cons and have tried making these new connections on this field...But everyone ive talked to wants to just shoot art fetish/alt with me and not more on the commercial side (even though most of the time thats what they are known for).
  How do i make this transition? What is the best way?
Any help???

I think you should stay in the field you are working in. (Fetish and fine art). Your size will stop you from getting a lot of commercial work, and this is something you can not change.

Post your rates on your bio page, and maybe hook up with a photographer to offer some fetish workshops. Your willingness to do bondage is also a plus.  You have a lot of comments, so you have a following. Stop all TFP shoots and get paid. Keep your rates as low as you can, and get a lot more work.

I wish you lived in Knoxville. I only use local models that I can work with several times on short notice.

Celestial Sinn wrote:
Ok... I have been quite frustrated about this  for a bit now...
Why is it that better known models-most of the time- are so reluctant and even bitter towards models asking for advice or info???

I think the models who are reluctant to help or bitter towards you are just very beautiful (physically). They've been coddled and led to believe that they're special and your questions just really confuse them because they'd have to actually think, which would give them sharp pains in the forehead.  Also, they'd have to face the fact that they don't really know how they got where they got.. other than the fact that they embody an ideal of physical beauty!
Now, before anyone rants on me because they think I'm insinuating that models are dumb or nothing more than pretty faces... remember, I said "the reluctant and bitter models"... not all models.

theda wrote:
Commercial alt work is rare to the point of being fictional.  There are a few companies in LA that hire "real alt" types, but mostly conpmanies go to agencies and get real commercial models and real stylists and go from there.

good point...
Although looking at Tripp, Skin Two and other companies like that... i dont think those are agency models...
some of them are only 5'3"

Celestial Sinn wrote:
good point...
Although looking at Tripp, Skin Two and other companies like that... i dont think those are agency models...
some of them are only 5'3"

Does Tripp use models? I think they still only do wholesale and probably just dress up their friends when they need a model.  It's only fairly recently that Lip Service started hiring models instead of just having their friends pose and they're the biggest company of that genre, if that tells you anything about the market.  Larger fetish wear companies hire models, but they like to use "known" faces a lot.

theda wrote:
Commercial alt work is rare to the point of being fictional.  There are a few companies in LA that hire "real alt" types, but mostly companies go to agencies and get real commercial models and real stylists and go from there.

Alterna Model and Talent Management, P.O. Box 1827, New York, N.Y. 10009   917-856-8321

If they're still around. I booked some of their people a couple of times, and they were pretty cool.

Hoot wrote:

Alterna Model and Talent Management, P.O. Box 1827, New York, N.Y. 10009   917-856-8321

If they're still around. I booked some of their people a couple of times, and they were pretty cool.

Hm. A cell number? Maybe I'll give it a call and see if they are still around.  I know there are/were a couple of agencies that focused on character types, which included punk/goth types.

theda wrote:

Hm. A cell number? Maybe I'll give it a call and see if they are still around.  I know there are/were a couple of agencies that focused on character types, which included punk/goth types.

If that number doesn't work, send me an email and I'll try to get one that does. They had mostly punk/goth/leather/tats/pierced kind of folk when I worked with them, but a couple of art/glam types too.

Commercial alt work is rare to the point of being fictional.  There are a few companies in LA that hire "real alt" types, but mostly companies go to agencies and get real commercial models and real stylists and go from there.

What theda said.

There's not a whole lot of money to be made as a model in this scene unless you're mostly into bondage or other, more "adult" work. 

(And if you are, Kumi's fetish modelling post is definitely something to read.  Someone else linked it farther up in this thread.)

Celestial Sinn wrote:
How do i make this transition? What is the best way?
Any help???

Come shoot with me darlin!!!