Forums > General Industry > stolen work/false promises/softcore porn

Model

Wellman

Posts: 29

Columbus, Ohio, US

I have a friend who did a shoot with a photog that claims to have put models in FHM/MAXIUM/PLAYBOY and many others. When I looked at his site there are some great B&W's and artistic nudes, but when compared to his "other" pics... they're clearly not his work. My friend is expecting to be in the JAN issue of MAXIUM because of this flake and his lies. And expecte dafter this shoot with him to get paid rediculous rates based on this "first shoot" she's done with him. He has propositioned her with "other" paying work; you know what I mean by that. I heard from another MM model when I gave her the link to see what I was talking aobut she noted that there was a forum about this guy stealing work and trying to get girls to do porn... I would appriciate any help from anyone who knows this guy or anything about the stolen work. His website is steelcityphotography.com  my friend  is Alyssa.
Feel free to help me out by letting her know about this guy. Thanks!@

Help me stop these kind of people with cameras from claiming to be photographers and using that title to lure girls into getting nude with false promises.
-Corey

Jun 28 05 11:15 pm Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

I have got nothing except the title was more promising.

Misleading even.

I want the quarter, I put into the thread machine.

Jun 28 05 11:28 pm Link

Photographer

Mike Cummings

Posts: 5896

LAKE COMO, Florida, US

Posted by Jack D Trute: 
I have got nothing except the title was more promising.

Misleading even.

I want the quarter, I put into the thread machine.

sorry NO REFUNDS!

Mike

Jun 28 05 11:51 pm Link

Photographer

Monsante Bey

Posts: 2111

Columbus, Georgia, US

Hmmm... Never heard of him.

Jun 29 05 03:44 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Posted by The Corey:

Help me stop these kind of people with cameras from claiming to be photographers and using that title to lure girls into getting nude with false promises.
-Corey

The first step in this process is for people like your friend to get the stars out of their eyes and use a little common sense.  Any photographer working for Maxim or any other major magazine is going to have credentials and references a mile long, not some little site with a handfull of lo-res scans on it. 

The second step is for both you and your friend to stop acting like she did something she didn't want to do.  If she "got nude" for someone, it's because she WANTED to.  Unless he kidnapped her and threatened her at gunpoint, anything she did [or considered doing] was BY HER CHOICE.  It's nobody's fault but hers if she did something without thinking things through.  The sooner she accepts some responsibility for her errror in judgement, the better. 

The next step is for YOU to stop CODDLING her.  I'm sick to death of seeing unaccountable behavior by models meet with pity parties.  If you REALLY want to be her friend you'll tell her to use her head next time.  Nobody likes a dumb model -- except the predators.

Jun 29 05 03:59 pm Link

Photographer

LongWindFPV Visuals

Posts: 7052

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

I came across the name before, but can't associate it with a name of someone I might've met online. Anyhow, I checked out their site and noticed they're doing Model Management. Because of all the scrutinizing everyone has been doing in the forums in the past two years about "Managers", I'm not sure it was a wise decision on their part to list that as a service offering. I wouldn't. Unless I got my license and bond as a Talent Agent, then I would, then I'd tell ya'll to shut up about Managers already. Lol.

Jun 29 05 04:01 pm Link

Photographer

Star

Posts: 17966

Los Angeles, California, US

if he truly promised her things he had no intention of fulfilling it is fraud

Jun 29 05 04:03 pm Link

Photographer

Monsante Bey

Posts: 2111

Columbus, Georgia, US

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

The first step in this process is for people like your friend to get the stars out of their eyes and use a little common sense.  Any photographer working for Maxim or any other major magazine is going to have credentials and references a mile long, not some little site with a handfull of lo-res scans on it. 

The second step is for both you and your friend to stop acting like she did something she didn't want to do.  If she "got nude" for someone, it's because she WANTED to.  Unless he kidnapped her and threatened her at gunpoint, anything she did [or considered doing] was BY HER CHOICE.  It's nobody's fault but hers if she did something without thinking things through.  The sooner she accepts some responsibility for her errror in judgement, the better. 

The next step is for YOU to stop CODDLING her.  I'm sick to death of seeing unaccountable behavior by models meet with pity parties.  If you REALLY want to be her friend you'll tell her to use her head next time.  Nobody likes a dumb model -- except the predators.

You can have a sandwhich at my house any day.

Jun 29 05 04:09 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Posted by Star: 
if he truly promised her things he had no intention of fulfilling it is fraud

Anyone who seriously believes a Pittsburgh photographer can get them into Maxim or Playboy DESERVES to get defrauded.

Jun 29 05 04:16 pm Link

Photographer

LongWindFPV Visuals

Posts: 7052

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by Star: 
if he truly promised her things he had no intention of fulfilling it is fraud

Anyone who seriously believes a Pittsburgh photographer can get them into Maxim or Playboy DESERVES to get defrauded.

Lol. That's messed up man. *grin*  There's gotta be a more than a few in that city who can do her up righteous with their photography skills...AND point her in the right direction.

Jun 29 05 04:20 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by Star: 
if he truly promised her things he had no intention of fulfilling it is fraud

Anyone who seriously believes a Pittsburgh photographer can get them into Maxim or Playboy DESERVES to get defrauded.

Lol. That's messed up man. *grin*  There's gotta be a more than a few in that city who can do her up righteous with their photography skills...AND point her in the right direction.

No...There isn't.

Jun 29 05 04:26 pm Link

Photographer

Elin Striga

Posts: 77

Örebro, Örebro, Sweden

He's on ModelMayhem as well.
https://modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=1968
Funny how his fineart is so well done but his other work is sh*t, taken with a digital compact...

Jun 29 05 04:27 pm Link

Model

Josie Nutter

Posts: 5865

Seattle, Washington, US

That is kind of odd.  If anyone has the time, it could be a fun challenge to see if those black & whites can be found on someone else's site. :p

Jun 29 05 04:35 pm Link

Model

Pinky

Posts: 138

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

I've been modeling in Pittsburgh for the past 2 1/2 years.  Depending on her limitations, I'd be more than happy to help her find a fantastic photographer.

Jun 29 05 04:38 pm Link

Photographer

XtremeArtists

Posts: 9122

Posted by Jack D Trute: 
I have got nothing except the title was more promising.

Misleading even.

I want the quarter, I put into the thread machine.

looks like 25¢ might be a bargain...

Jun 29 05 04:41 pm Link

Photographer

GWC

Posts: 1407

Baltimore, Maryland, US

Posted by Josie Nutter: 
That is kind of odd.  If anyone has the time, it could be a fun challenge to see if those black & whites can be found on someone else's site. :p

Sometimes people who steal images forget to edit out the EXIF data. smile That can be lots of fun. Google image search will sometimes turn up useful stuff, too.

I keep hoping someone steals one of MY pictures. I'll sue them and sue them and SUE them!

GWC!

Jun 29 05 04:44 pm Link

Photographer

LongWindFPV Visuals

Posts: 7052

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by Joe K. Perez: 

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by Star: 
if he truly promised her things he had no intention of fulfilling it is fraud

Anyone who seriously believes a Pittsburgh photographer can get them into Maxim or Playboy DESERVES to get defrauded.

Lol. That's messed up man. *grin*  There's gotta be a more than a few in that city who can do her up righteous with their photography skills...AND point her in the right direction.

No...There isn't.

Oh, stop being so cynical. Here's a list of just a few resources in that area.

Google search as a good start

The listing for Apogee Photo Magazine probably lists hundreds of outstanding photographers.

Jun 29 05 04:48 pm Link

Photographer

S W I N S K E Y

Posts: 24376

Saint Petersburg, Florida, US

Posted by The Corey: 
Help me stop these kind of people with cameras from claiming to be photographers and using that title to lure girls into getting nude with false promises. -Corey

thants a daunting task..easier done here as its a free site so tyler caters to no one..

but all the other online sites, they need the desperate amatuer photogs that promiss the world,  those sites need the TFP photogs so the members get the "modeling experience"..

its part of the online culture..the GWCs and gullable amatuer models..remove either of them..and you dont have anymore revenue...(subscribers)

sad that your buddy got caught up in a lie..but in the big picture, its necesary for the online communites to exist...

Jun 29 05 04:52 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

Posted by GWC: 

Sometimes people who steal images forget to edit out the EXIF data. smile That can be lots of fun. Google image search will sometimes turn up useful stuff, too.

GWC!

Wow! you sure know a lot of stuff for a GWC!

Jun 29 05 04:54 pm Link

Photographer

Weldphoto

Posts: 848

Charleston, South Carolina, US

According to the frontpage of Seel City Photographers they employ 300 people. Perhaps one of those 300 hard working shutterbugs too those good pictures...
Its interesting to see the tags this place is getting. They are putting their name out all over the place. If they are not legit, then Mayhem needs to close them down.

Jun 29 05 05:05 pm Link

Model

Leila

Posts: 527

Worcester, Massachusetts, US

Wow...Yeah I've definetly seen one of the pictures in his profile somewhere else. Most of them look like bad amature porn. Its amazing that he got so many posative tags from people. Thats pretty sad.

Jun 29 05 05:12 pm Link

Model

Amber Dawn - Indiana

Posts: 6255

Salem, Indiana, US

Posted by The Corey: 
I have a friend who did a shoot with a photog that claims to have put models in FHM/MAXIUM/PLAYBOY and many others. When I looked at his site there are some great B&W's and artistic nudes, but when compared to his "other" pics... they're clearly not his work. My friend is expecting to be in the JAN issue of MAXIUM because of this flake and his lies. And expecte dafter this shoot with him to get paid rediculous rates based on this "first shoot" she's done with him. He has propositioned her with "other" paying work; you know what I mean by that. I heard from another MM model when I gave her the link to see what I was talking aobut she noted that there was a forum about this guy stealing work and trying to get girls to do porn... I would appriciate any help from anyone who knows this guy or anything about the stolen work. His website is steelcityphotography.com  my friend  is Alyssa.
Feel free to help me out by letting her know about this guy. Thanks!@

Help me stop these kind of people with cameras from claiming to be photographers and using that title to lure girls into getting nude with false promises.
-Corey

Tell her next time GET IT IN WRITTING!!! Also tell her to check people out next time!!!

Jun 29 05 05:45 pm Link

Photographer

Herb Way

Posts: 1506

Black Mountain, North Carolina, US

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by The Corey:

Help me stop these kind of people with cameras from claiming to be photographers and using that title to lure girls into getting nude with false promises.
-Corey

The first step in this process is for people like your friend to get the stars out of their eyes and use a little common sense.  Any photographer working for Maxim or any other major magazine is going to have credentials and references a mile long, not some little site with a handfull of lo-res scans on it. 

The second step is for both you and your friend to stop acting like she did something she didn't want to do.  If she "got nude" for someone, it's because she WANTED to.  Unless he kidnapped her and threatened her at gunpoint, anything she did [or considered doing] was BY HER CHOICE.  It's nobody's fault but hers if she did something without thinking things through.  The sooner she accepts some responsibility for her errror in judgement, the better. 

The next step is for YOU to stop CODDLING her.  I'm sick to death of seeing unaccountable behavior by models meet with pity parties.  If you REALLY want to be her friend you'll tell her to use her head next time.  Nobody likes a dumb model -- except the predators.

Amen and right on!  Couldn't have said it better myself.

Jun 29 05 05:51 pm Link

Photographer

Jack D Trute

Posts: 4558

New York, New York, US

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by The Corey:

Help me stop these kind of people with cameras from claiming to be photographers and using that title to lure girls into getting nude with false promises.
-Corey

The first step in this process is for people like your friend to get the stars out of their eyes and use a little common sense.  Any photographer working for Maxim or any other major magazine is going to have credentials and references a mile long, not some little site with a handfull of lo-res scans on it. 

The second step is for both you and your friend to stop acting like she did something she didn't want to do.  If she "got nude" for someone, it's because she WANTED to.  Unless he kidnapped her and threatened her at gunpoint, anything she did [or considered doing] was BY HER CHOICE.  It's nobody's fault but hers if she did something without thinking things through.  The sooner she accepts some responsibility for her errror in judgement, the better. 

The next step is for YOU to stop CODDLING her.  I'm sick to death of seeing unaccountable behavior by models meet with pity parties.  If you REALLY want to be her friend you'll tell her to use her head next time.  Nobody likes a dumb model -- except the predators.

Great point.

Jun 29 05 05:53 pm Link

Model

nyx

Posts: 186

London, Arkansas, US

Tell her to run away. Quickly.
I was contacted by steel city photography not long after joining this site. We were working on arranging a shoot, and nothing seemed suspicious.
Then I met him, at the Columbus OH group shoot. He convinced a good friend of mine to do some things on camera that she had never intended to do . (I have the pictures, but out of respect for her, I will not post them here.) Not only that, but he was trying to recruit us both for his porn work, telling us how much he would pay for each...activity. He was also obnoxious and lewd to the point that I actually left the room while he was mid-sentence. Needless to say, he ruined what had been a very good day, and we left in disgust.
As far as I know, he caused quite a bit of trouble both at the shoot and afterwards.
If anyone has anything good to say about him, I would like to hear it, as I can't think of a single thing.

edit:
He also does a hell of a lot more than softcore porn. In the midst of my conversation with him, he turned to the model he brought with him and asked if she could do DVDA, because it would make him a ton of money. *vomit*

Jun 29 05 08:13 pm Link

Photographer

XtremeArtists

Posts: 9122

Posted by nyx:
DVDA

I had to look that term up.

Jun 29 05 08:22 pm Link

Model

Irene

Posts: 1836

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Models should always get referrals. Did she get referrals?? Models should always look under the hood before shooting with someone.

Jun 29 05 08:26 pm Link

Photographer

4C 41 42

Posts: 11093

Nashville, Tennessee, US

Posted by XtremeArtists: 

Posted by nyx:
DVDA

I had to look that term up.

That was a new one for me too.  Had to resort to the Urban Dictionary.

I second the *vomit* BTW.

Jun 29 05 08:32 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

Posted by XtremeArtists: 

Posted by nyx:
DVDA

I had to look that term up.

So did I...and I don't think that Xtreme would be in the dark about 'common' porn terms...this seems pretty obscure...so I looked it up. Here it is folks:

The term DVDA, standing for Double Vaginal, Double Anal, is taken from the movie Orgazmo, a cult-classic comedy film by Trey Parker. In the movie it is a hypothetical sexual position where two men penetrate the vagina, and another two men will penetrate the anus, of a single woman with their penises, simultaneously. However, in real life, this appears to be an anatomical impossibility.

Therefore, I do not think that this guy was seriously asking the model to do this...it sounds like he was joking. However, I do believe there is a big case for stolen pictures, and I do believe that there is misrepresentation of his intentions on the photographers part. However, if you look at his first six pictures...what else could he be than an aspiring porn person? If one looked at his pictures, they would be a fool not to question his identity. I guess that some shootouts are 'open call'...I would never go to one of those anyway...doesn't seem like any legitimate connections would be made there.

Jun 29 05 08:34 pm Link

Model

nyx

Posts: 186

London, Arkansas, US

I was going to explain it, but it's already been done rather well.
Anyway,
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dvda&r=f

Jun 29 05 08:36 pm Link

Model

Lapis

Posts: 8424

Chicago, Illinois, US

How the hell would a young innocent model even know that term when LarryB and Xtreme are unfamiliar with it????

Jun 29 05 08:36 pm Link

Photographer

Ian Powell

Posts: 246

Columbus, Ohio, US

Posted by nyx: 
Tell her to run away. Quickly.
I was contacted by steel city photography not long after joining this site. We were working on arranging a shoot, and nothing seemed suspicious.
Then I met him, at the Columbus OH group shoot. He convinced a good friend of mine to do some things on camera that she had never intended to do . (I have the pictures, but out of respect for her, I will not post them here.) Not only that, but he was trying to recruit us both for his porn work, telling us how much he would pay for each...activity. He was also obnoxious and lewd to the point that I actually left the room while he was mid-sentence. Needless to say, he ruined what had been a very good day, and we left in disgust.
As far as I know, he caused quite a bit of trouble both at the shoot and afterwards.
If anyone has anything good to say about him, I would like to hear it, as I can't think of a single thing.

edit:
He also does a hell of a lot more than softcore porn. In the midst of my conversation with him, he turned to the model he brought with him and asked if she could do DVDA, because it would make him a ton of money. *vomit*

I can say something good about that guy... He gave me something to talk about with the models at the group shoot... They got Kicked out of the hotel that morning for shooting Nudes outdoors. As soon as they got there really made me uneasy. being in the same areas made me uncomfortable and i just stayed away from him. Other then his causing problems was really good i think, with out him would have been great...

Jun 29 05 08:38 pm Link

Model

nyx

Posts: 186

London, Arkansas, US

Posted by Lapis: 
How the hell would a young innocent model even know that term when LarryB and Xtreme are unfamiliar with it????

Hmm...maybe I should lay off the hentai...

Jun 29 05 08:39 pm Link

Photographer

XtremeArtists

Posts: 9122

Posted by Lapis: 
How the hell would a young innocent model even know that term when LarryB and Xtreme are unfamiliar with it????

Hey, who says I'm not young and innocent?

OK, OK, quiet down everyone...

Jun 29 05 08:41 pm Link

Photographer

XtremeArtists

Posts: 9122

Posted by Lapis: 
However, in real life, this appears to be an anatomical impossibility.

I can only wonder for how long...

Jun 29 05 08:45 pm Link

Photographer

Ian Powell

Posts: 246

Columbus, Ohio, US

the girl in the orignal post 13263 all her stuff is his, and she's the model who arrived with him if i remember right, they at least never left each other that i could tell...

Jun 29 05 08:53 pm Link

Model

nyx

Posts: 186

London, Arkansas, US

Posted by Ian Powell: 
the girl in the orignal post 13263 all her stuff is his, and she's the model who arrived with him if i remember right, they at least never left each other that i could tell...

And from the way they were talking to each other, and to my friend and I...I'm sorry, but it was pretty obvious this girl knew exactly what she was doing.

Jun 29 05 08:56 pm Link

Photographer

Ian Powell

Posts: 246

Columbus, Ohio, US

she had all day to get away from him. I couldn't call her a victum in this.

Jun 29 05 08:58 pm Link

Photographer

Kentsoul

Posts: 9739

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US

Posted by Ian Powell: 
she had all day to get away from him. I couldn't call her a victum in this.

I think I already said that.

Jun 29 05 09:00 pm Link

Photographer

XtremeArtists

Posts: 9122

Posted by Melvin Moten Jr: 

Posted by Ian Powell: 
she had all day to get away from him. I couldn't call her a victum in this.

I think I already said that.

good call

Jun 29 05 09:02 pm Link