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Does MM Have a Grade 3 Maturity Level About Nudity
Now, I understand the GWC concerns. And I know that MM is a largely USA based site, and we have a lot of bible belt members. And I have certainly encountered and exchanged posts with a lot of fundies. But the "When the model strips nude in front of you" thead is on page 8.... And it seems that every photograph of a nude has a negative post simply because it is a nude.... And the *porn* word is thrown around as freely as a food fight in Animal House.... I do wonder about the maturity level. Who, here, is an adult? Not just in age, but maturity level? Mar 14 06 09:48 pm Link Im way mature about nudity. I even shower nude! Mar 14 06 09:49 pm Link Did someone say weiner? *giggle* Mar 14 06 09:50 pm Link Iâm on the fence with this post. Keep what you can use from Model Mayhem threads and leave the rest. Mar 14 06 09:51 pm Link *takes cover behind couch* Look out! Here come the puns and jokes I actually think its a true preoccupation with sex and nudity that seems to drive these threads and comments. Or maybe a lack of occupation with the two. *ahem* you did want at least one serious reply Im sure. Mar 14 06 09:51 pm Link R. Olson (RO) wrote: I just couldn't help myself.... It's been one of those days. :-) Mar 14 06 09:53 pm Link R. Olson (RO) wrote: Why does it have to be puns and jokes? Canât you or anyone else offer help? Mar 14 06 09:54 pm Link Tough question! I happen to be a bit of a bible reader myself. Honestly, I have no problem with nude photography. I wouldn't do it myself, but I also think there is a fine line between the tasteful and the tasteless. To some photographers it seems to be a true art, for others... well .... you know what I'm getting at. Mar 14 06 09:57 pm Link Am I out of line to suggest that the early posts are at a grade 3 level. And they are not coming from the people who I would accuse of being at a grade 3 based on their earlier posts. Is there a mature site that people can point me to? Mar 14 06 09:58 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: If you didnt quote half my reply, then you would see something Mar 14 06 09:59 pm Link I am mature when it comes to nudity be it the male or female form. I shoot artistic nudes. Mar 14 06 09:59 pm Link As soon as I'm behind the lens, my focus is on composition, lighting, and getting the shot. I stop being a warm blooded male and become a photographer who is there to do a job. Will I turn down work that contains nudity? Certainly not. Would I shoot "porn"? Absolutely. My job as a photographer is to provide the client with what they want. Be it porn, portraits, boudoir, bondage or black and whie, a client approaches me and says "this is what I want", it's my job to provide that. I collect a paycheck, and pay off bills and buy groceries for my family. Maybe it's because I'm still an amatuer and not raking in the big contract cash, but at this point, I can't afford to turn down any work, provided it's legal. To sum up your question: Once you're behing the camera, it's not nudity, it's a job. Mar 14 06 10:00 pm Link I think that save for brainwashing everyone to equal minds there really isn't going to be one way about it. Everyone is going to have a different opinion irregardless. Mar 14 06 10:00 pm Link R. Olson (RO) wrote: Thank you! Mar 14 06 10:02 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: I'm a new member here, but honestly if the threads the past week or so since I've been active are representative??? Well, I'm sticking around primarily for the laugh factor... Mar 14 06 10:02 pm Link I am very mature ... I even have gray hair .... now, may I see Lapis' b(o)(o)bies again??? Please???? Pretty please???? Mar 14 06 10:02 pm Link Stephen Dawson wrote: Not on the Internet. Mar 14 06 10:04 pm Link Stephen Dawson wrote: Really? I haven't done a search for all the nudes I can find but all the comments I've seen when invited to look at a port have been very positive, at most there might be constructive criticism as to technique. Mar 14 06 10:06 pm Link R. Olson (RO) wrote: I didn't quote half you're reply Rick, I posted and you went back and edited your reply to add more. Mar 14 06 10:07 pm Link What, exactly, is the appropriate attitude toward nudity? Is nudity good, bad, serious, funny, erotic, abstract, innocent, guilt-ridden, etc.? Mar 14 06 10:09 pm Link Brian Diaz wrote: Honored? Mar 14 06 10:17 pm Link Brian Diaz wrote: Well if you do not agree with me then you have less than a grade 3 maturity level. Mar 14 06 10:17 pm Link Stephen Dawson wrote: Stephen, I'm the OP of the "model strips nude" thread. No one is more surprised than I at the nerve it touched. Over 292 posts in a day or so. Posters repeatedly said that a model stripping to nudity in front of the photog, "is no big deal," using exactly those words over and over. If it's no big deal, why so many posts just to say that? That's a heck of a lot of interest in something that's "no big deal." Not so much interest in the Tamron lens thread. A psychoanalyst would say, "There may be some denial here." Mar 14 06 10:17 pm Link Oh cool! Another "nudity post." Part of the problem are we? Yep, it's all a giggle thing. Frankly after May I'm probably going to be shooting landscapes and cars and give up the whole girl thing for another couple of years. -Don P.S. Maybe it's only me, but the "olden days" of last August seem pretty good compared to these modern times. Mar 14 06 10:21 pm Link I agree wholeheartedly with D Brian Nelson! Mar 14 06 10:27 pm Link SKPhoto wrote: Voice of reason. Mar 14 06 10:29 pm Link Stephen Dawson wrote: This is maturity at it's best. This is what I've waited all my life for. Later I plan to start a thread about slipping on your own drool while shooting fine art nude porn. Mar 14 06 10:31 pm Link Dave Krueger wrote: Mar 14 06 10:35 pm Link I am all for the garden of Eden, as long as its respectful. Mar 14 06 10:39 pm Link Ok, I'll try to answer seriously... I think Americans (and I am one, at least by birth, although I grew up in a European home and did spend more than a few years in Europe) are so fucked, that they'll never get it together in this regard. But hey, it gives Don a great backdrop to work against. So many people can look at his images and have so many different visceral responses... In this country we do not accept our sexuality - period. I do not agree at all that it has to be reigned in or it could hurt society. In fact, I believe the exact opposite, that our base puritan values have done more to hurt this country and it's citizens (especially women) than anything else. What happens when you see a hot woman you find attractive get naked in front of you? As has been said, you go about your business and act like a professional. But at some point YOU WILL look at her and you think, "wow she's really beautiful". And at some point YOU WILL look at her and think, "man, I'd love to bang the hell out of her". EVERY straight man thinks this about a beautiful woman he's attracted to. EVERY ONE. And guess what? Every woman over the age of 14 knows this about us. THAT'S why, when we don't act on it, when we act professionally in that situation they respect us. Because they know that we are operating against our basic programing and are doing so out of respect for them. just my $0.02 Matt Mar 14 06 10:47 pm Link Seriously, only a fool could not see that there is much truth to be told with humor. Many fools go on to get doctorate degrees, so if I have the maturity of a young person that is something that I take pride in. And that's de truth, would I lie? And to quote the great Madonna from the movie "A league of their own" "Whoops my bossom just fell out" Mar 14 06 10:55 pm Link John Pringle wrote:
Mar 14 06 10:58 pm Link Uh, huh, huh, huh. You said "nudity."  Mar 14 06 10:59 pm Link Ahahaha I see boobies!!! Unfortunately I'm resigned to believing that that's just how things are. Mar 14 06 10:59 pm Link Stephen Dawson wrote: cool poop humor, there is hope for you, yet. Mar 14 06 11:00 pm Link VirtuaMike wrote: Come on, you know deep inside that every avatar seen in this thread would be better if it had some b(o)(o)bies in it. Mar 14 06 11:01 pm Link Craig Thomson wrote: May have been because I was in the final phase of my edit and you were typing at the same time. If its not a playground, quit being the new school bully. Mar 14 06 11:04 pm Link R. Olson (RO) wrote: No could have been Rick, both Brandon and I replied to your post. You sent it once. Mar 14 06 11:10 pm Link Sex = excitement Analyzing sex = watching paint dry Mar 14 06 11:17 pm Link Nudity...Ah yes..that dreadful word.. Dirty men in warmly lit studios, wearing baggie pants to hide their hard-ons. Sitting in front of their computer screens masturbating to their last shoot. Yeah, that's why I invested in all my equipment pay the rent on the studio, the insurance. So I can get a cheap thrill by having women come in a stip down for me. Saddly, this is what comes to mind when people think of nudity in photgraphy. I wont bother to go into Americas warped opinions on Human sexuality. It's joke. The human form has been admired in many forms for eons and will be for eons to come. There will always be those who can not seperate the raw sexualiy from the art. A fast car has sexy curves, thats why America has always bee obbsessed with the automobile. If they only knew how much of that love for cars was based in human sexuality. To all of those who say, "I wont do nudity" as if it were a badge of honor...WHATEVER..Go home and get in touch with your human sexuality. And if you can't leave the rest of us alone. I dont come knocking on your door. Stay away from mine. Oh, by the way, your daughter is sexualy active. You son smokes pot and you have no clue. It's really only a big deal because we make it so. Exploitation, Pornography..blah blah blah.. If two people want to get it on for a camera, I say let em..who is being exploited? No one... If a woman wants nude picturs taken..Let her..who does it hurt? If same said woman wants to get naked in front of a camera with a dildo, Let her..who is it hurting..Hell we all know there a millions of men and women getting off all alone every day across the globe. So if somebody wants to depict it in an art form..whoopie do! Old news! And if they get paid..Awesome! A freind of mine just did a picture of an old man trying to get a little girl to get into his car. The picture was on his desktop when a client came over. The picture was VERY clear..the man was a child rapist and was looking for a mark. Well the client just about lost her mind and started yelling and screaming. WHY, would you set a shot up like this? Are you mad? You are so sick, I had no idea I was spending my money on a pervert. Well, I was already smiling from ear to ear because I know the picture was taken for a PSA. And the look on her face when she was clued in was priceless. America is too thined skinned. I love photgraphy becaue we get to push those buttons. Then again, artist have alway shoulderd that burden. It saddens me that many artist have forgotten the most powerful aspect of art. To push boundries, break new ground. Let it all hang out. And before some body ask the same old stupid question..I will answer for you. No, I will not shoot babies with dildos, or snuff imagery, or the likes..BUT if an artist does an image such as this with out breaking the law. I am down for having a look at the work without judging. Rather, to see how it moves me. That is the nature of art. Mar 14 06 11:19 pm Link |
