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Henry Tjernlund

Posts: 587

Koppel, Pennsylvania, US

Ive dabbled with Photograhy most of my life. Mostly as a hobby. Im okay with the technical stuff but the publishing side of it is a complete mystery to me. How does one even get started? How do you make contacts. Im located in a rural, economic challanged, post-steel mill area. How do I get in contact with someone to get a few things published. I think some of my work is as good as those I see in print.

Henry

Mar 11 06 01:28 am Link

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ChristianBehr

Posts: 551

Miami Beach, Florida, US

What are you hoping to get published?  Erotic?  What?

They aren't going to find you... you have to find them.  What do you think you're qualified to shoot for?

This isn't a slam - you gave only limited info.

Mar 11 06 03:02 am Link

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Doug Lester

Posts: 10591

Atlanta, Georgia, US

Best bet, pick up a copy of "Photographers Market". It's a compilation of various publishers of photos, ranging from greeting cards to magazines and provides notes from the publishers as to procedures, what they are looking for, how to submit and pay rates, along with articles explaining the industry. The info is accurate and has helped me greatly in the past.  It's about the best 'how to' introduction to the industry that I've seen.

Mar 11 06 10:52 am Link

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D. Brian Nelson

Posts: 5477

Rapid City, South Dakota, US

"Published."  Seems to be a magic word.  If you shoot advertising you're published all the time, but it's nothing you'd show to friends to impress them.  I think what you want is to be "featured" in a publication.  That is cool!

There are a zillion magazines out there, most desperate for content and under a deadline.  The hard part is figuring where you fit in and making the connection.  And there at least two approaches.

The first is to survey local stuff, including freebies, "scene" mags, underground stuff.  You are, as I am, too old to place your stuff based on how cool you are personally.  Old guys aren't gonna impress the 19-23 yr-old editors of the local mags, so that's got to be done by email, etc.  Find out what they use, go shoot a bunch, email small ones and see if they bite.  If you want to use existing work, then you'll have to really dig to find the right local rag.

The second way is to do reasearch on all the niche mags in the world.  Find out if they accept submissions and how they want them, then do it exactly as they say.  Be realistic - Vogue is not a candidate.  If they want original art, make sure you deliver the slides with a delivery document.  You can follow up with an email or phone call as the mags' mastheads usually give contact info.  Or enough to get you close to the right person.  Be prepared for rejection.

Once you've been published, the second time is easy.

And don't expect to make money this way.  The way you make money is advertising.

-Don

Mar 11 06 11:05 am Link

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Marcus J. Ranum

Posts: 3247

MORRISDALE, Pennsylvania, US

You should also read the article in LensWork from 3 issues ago. Brooks Jensen dissected the book publishing industry and makes a compelling case that it is not worth your time to try to get published via a mainstream publisher. Even if your name is Irving Penn, it turns out. I found his analysis to be very depressing but also very accurate in terms of my experience with publishing in other fields.

One of the key points Jensen makes is that with publish on demand the cachet of "being published" is also almost completely gone. If you want your name on a book with a cover and a bunch of photos and an ISBN it's a matter of $100 or so, depending on how nice you want it to look. I did a book of images using Sony Imagestation (www.imagestation.com) and it looked very nice (I did a fake flyleaf and everything) - but at between $30 and $100 per book for production costs you are not making money unless you really think your photography will bring in $200 per book...  Ouch.

Because of publish on demand a lot of the staples that would buy "one of everything" have stopped that practice. So you won't sell a copy to The Library of Congress of the International Center for Photography's Bookstore anymore, like you used to. A friend of mine did a photography book and had 500 copies produced at a cost of about $15,000. Except for the copy on his coffee-table and a few that he gave to friends they are all still in boxes in his garage.

I'm not trying to dissuade you, but you need to make a very clear-headed assessment of your goals and the financial committment you are willing to
make, before you proceed.

mjr.

Mar 11 06 11:08 am Link

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GWC

Posts: 1407

Baltimore, Maryland, US

The "white wronkled sheet background" look isn't really hot with the commercial market right now, dude. I ain't tryin' to bust on ya but before you aim to get published you oughtta figure out what market you're going for.

GWC!

Mar 11 06 11:15 am Link

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D. Brian Nelson

Posts: 5477

Rapid City, South Dakota, US

Good morning GWC.  Nice to see you dragged yourself outta your own wronkled sheets to join us.

-D

Mar 11 06 11:20 am Link

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bob cooley

Posts: 81

New York, New York, US

Henry Tjernlund wrote:
Ive dabbled with Photograhy most of my life. Mostly as a hobby. Im okay with the technical stuff but the publishing side of it is a complete mystery to me. How does one even get started? How do you make contacts. Im located in a rural, economic challanged, post-steel mill area. How do I get in contact with someone to get a few things published. I think some of my work is as good as those I see in print.

Henry

Henry,

It's hard to know exactly what you mean here;  Could you be a little more specific?

This thread could be really helpful to you and others, but is in danger of going in a dozen directions...

which part of the publishing market do you want to know about:


- getting published in newspapers / magazines?

- getting published in a book? (multiple artists)?

- having a book published (Mass market by a publishing house)?

- Self Publishing (coffee table books, etc)?

These are all very seperate issues.

For magazine / Newspaper work, D. Brian Nelson has some good advice.

Although one note: in the publishing world, "published" means you have published work with a byline (Photo Credit: Henry Tjernlund) - advertising work is considered "printed", not "published".  (it's a bit of artists snobbery - "publishing" connotates a higher class of artist, because their work is publically acknowledged to be attached to the author - this dates back to writing, particularly in the eary artistic and scientific communities).

Getting published in a local newspaper is going to be the easiest avenue for your first publishing credit; mostly because they deal with freelancers on a ready basis.  The pay is horrible though (most publication work pays very little compared to commercial work).   But bylines are a rush into themselves.

Post a little more info on what you are looking for, and I'm sure you'll get some good advice here.

cheers!

Mar 11 06 11:29 am Link

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Visunz

Posts: 30

Washington, District of Columbia, US

how do you get into advertising?

Mar 11 06 09:38 pm Link

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Henry Tjernlund

Posts: 587

Koppel, Pennsylvania, US

Thanks for the comments. People are right. I am not sure what I want to do. I might not want to limit myself to any one venue. In fact, I know I dont. And, "yes" that adds burden to the effort.

I actually have been "published." But not sure if they are worth noting, or even a good idea to mention. I have several image published in Harmony's "Bondage Life" magazines before they went out of print. Unless I want to do porn (which I dont want to do commercial porn). Fine art erotica is fine, if I ever manage to accomplish that.  Also a picture I took was used on the cover of a local newspaper Sunday insert magazine. And I had an architectual shot used in a magazine (no by line though.)

One other thing that seems to throw a wrench into the works is that I dont want to outright sell my images. Letting them be used exclusively for a certain period of time, fine, but not outright sell and loose them forever.

Henry

Mar 12 06 07:34 am Link

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00siris

Posts: 19182

New York, New York, US

Henry Tjernlund wrote:
Ive dabbled with Photograhy most of my life. Mostly as a hobby. Im okay with the technical stuff but the publishing side of it is a complete mystery to me. How does one even get started? How do you make contacts. Im located in a rural, economic challanged, post-steel mill area. How do I get in contact with someone to get a few things published. I think some of my work is as good as those I see in print.

Henry

just like anything else. It requires a hunger. You want to get out there. You have to put yourself out there.

My response may sound boring but it has merit.

You have to read as much as you can. You have to inquire with those who did it already. You have to decide what you can offer - that people would like to see. You have to be consisstent and persistent.

I know this because I was wondering the same things and I found that nothing is going to happen until I start putting myself in circles that will get me what I want.

Guess what, it's about to happen for me (if all goes well) - because of contractual concerns I can't too specific.

Mar 12 06 07:40 am Link

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Henry Tjernlund

Posts: 587

Koppel, Pennsylvania, US

00siris wrote:

just like anything else. It requires a hunger. You want to get out there. You have to put yourself out there.

My response may sound boring but it has merit.

You have to read as much as you can. You have to inquire with those who did it already. You have to decide what you can offer - that people would like to see. You have to be consisstent and persistent.

I know this because I was wondering the same things and I found that nothing is going to happen until I start putting myself in circles that will get me what I want.

Guess what, it's about to happen for me (if all goes well) - because of contractual concerns I can't too specific.

Well, I do have a passion for my work. But I also can feel myself holding back on some of it as I am well aware that some people (and our government) have issues with the subject material. Its frustrating. Some of my best work has never been seen outside of those involved.

Henry

Mar 13 06 02:15 am Link

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Merlinpix

Posts: 7118

Farmingdale, New York, US

Henry Tjernlund wrote:
Thanks for the comments. People are right. I am not sure what I want to do. I might not want to limit myself to any one venue. In fact, I know I dont. And, "yes" that adds burden to the effort.

I actually have been "published." But not sure if they are worth noting, or even a good idea to mention. I have several image published in Harmony's "Bondage Life" magazines before they went out of print. Unless I want to do porn (which I dont want to do commercial porn). Fine art erotica is fine, if I ever manage to accomplish that.  Also a picture I took was used on the cover of a local newspaper Sunday insert magazine. And I had an architectual shot used in a magazine (no by line though.)

One other thing that seems to throw a wrench into the works is that I dont want to outright sell my images. Letting them be used exclusively for a certain period of time, fine, but not outright sell and loose them forever.

Henry

I publish lots of bondage and fetish images. The following applies to getting published in general. 
The easiest thing to do is look in the magazine in question, and submit your stuff complete with releases to the "Photo Editor" if ones not listed then submit  to the editor on the masthead.
Just be prepared to wait a while ( 3 months to 2yrs) to get a reply.
Magazines generally 'rent' your image for publication and return all your slides intact after they been published.
I haven't submitted didgital media yet, but I imgine it will work the same.

Paul

Mar 13 06 08:19 am Link

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Jay Bowman

Posts: 6511

Los Angeles, California, US

:::We now return to our regularly scheduled program:::


Out of curiousity, do the established, yet, local magazines tend to pay out consistantly?  I've run into a lot of publishing-credit-without-pay promises.

Mar 23 06 09:22 pm Link