Jack D Trute wrote:
I do not even have to say it.

But if you don't. . .how ever will I learn????  Sheesh!

Jayne Jones wrote:
So if you are like me and totally clueless . . .would it help to get an agent or sign with an agency, to get in touch with said commercial clients??

Absolutely. Although many network directly with photographers who shoot commercial work, the photographers don't always do the casting or hiring. Often an ad agency will contact agencies where they will be shooting and cast the talent. (or sometimes it's the marketing mgr of the client if they don't have an ad agency) DEFINITELY network and keep on good terms with the commercial shooters though - they can often recommend models when a client hires them, and certainly enjoy choosing them when possible. But the agency is usually the primary contact because they have a larger "pool" of models from which to choose.

Wm

DeBoer Photography wrote:
Invest in a good book about modeling/modeling photography written by people who either are in or were in the business.

That is a good start.

Regards,

Denoy

think i just might do that...thank you, Denoy

Jayne Jones wrote:

But if you don't. . .how ever will I learn????  Sheesh!

kateyourface wrote:
I must be really slow because I'm still not getting it...
When I think of agencies, I think I'm going to get scammed somehow...I'm not really sure why.

sorry my bad,  my jokes are meant for many that know the system a bit or have been around.

I forget about the new people at times.

Check http://www.newmodels.com/

This will tell you much from  a truthful point of view.  The person who made this is a respected person in the industry.   Realize that this link is not trying to sell you anything, 
Just like me.

What I meant by what I do not need to say it 'Pay me now'.

Enough with everyone working for free or with many bad agencies not where the work is making you pay to make money.  (Ps not a rule for some commercial models should pay to get ports and agencies do charge you eventually for testing,  sending books,  etc.)

If an agency is  a place where the work is not is promissing you big success then they are just wishing themselves.

There is just not that much work out there in the middle of  the country in small market towns to be promising people many jobs.   

Are there some jobs?  Yes,  do not misunderstand what I have to say.   But enough to make it logical to procede?

Read the link,  all of it and educate yourselves.

I am tired and more in the mood for jokes then serious help.

Good luck to those who are serious.

But a watch your wallet and take 10 minutes to think before making any major decision.

At least 10.

DeBoer Photography wrote:
Note, you CAN do this...but don't do it for FREE.

Otherwise, you are right back to square one with my original posting...

Are you encouraging the sense of "entitlement", that people should be paid without making any effort to learn skill and craft?  Most working models have spent money, time, training to get where they are, not just claiming that "I have a look", when those who hold the money said no.

kateyourface wrote:
I must be really slow because I'm still not getting it...
When I think of agencies, I think I'm going to get scammed somehow...I'm not really sure why.

Well, you are 5'3", if an agency tells you that you can be a fashion model, you are really getting scammed.

What a pretty face, though.

And what Jack said.

DeBoer Photography wrote:
So, am I saying a "new" model can come out and "demand" $$$ right up front?

Yes.

Whether he/she actually gets the rate asked is another matter...and this is where "looks"/experience/training/credentials come into play...

It's all about supply and demand.

Uhoh.  The "locals" aren't gonna like that statement.  No matter how right it is.

kateyourface wrote:
I must be really slow because I'm still not getting it...
When I think of agencies, I think I'm going to get scammed somehow...I'm not really sure why.

I just depends on who the agent is. Models and photographers both need agents. Agents can help you get through the mess that many companies try to cloud your eyes with.

But some agents you have to watch. make sure you know what you are obligating yourself to. But it is also important for both the photographer, models and mua to have as much knowledge as possible. You don't want to be kept in the dark about anything.