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Model

Brandy

Posts: 1353

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Portia VanPelt wrote:
For me, playboy is just a "more classy" style of nudity unlike Hustler or Penthouse. I would say that the models who want the playboy style nudity are saying "please make me beautiful, not slutty".

I agree with this. I'm thinking about submitting for Playboy Cyber... I like the classy nekkid look...

Mar 10 06 03:59 pm Link

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Giacomo Cirrincioni

Posts: 22234

Stamford, Connecticut, US

Yes but it's high quality T&A (at least it was, I haven't seen an issue in a while).

To reference another thread, THIS is exactly the sort of reason why I think a preshoot meeting is important.  So many things are subjective, it's good to have real conversations about what it to be achieved from a shoot. 

Matt

Mar 10 06 04:17 pm Link

Photographer

photographybyfrank

Posts: 455

Clearwater, Florida, US

Apfel Photography wrote:
OK, I am confused.  More and more I am seeing these new models popping up.... you know, the ones where their cover picture is them wearing old panties, sitting on thier bed wearing nothing but a baseball cap and shot with a web-cam... who state that they will not do any "adult nudes" or "erotica nudes".  Only "artistic nudes" and their aspiration is to appear in Playboy.

OK, nothing against Playboy....the articles and cartoons are great....but when did they this magazine leave the realm of adult and erotica nudity and become "artistic nudes" and become classified as the same as the works of Edward Weston, Man Ray, and Arnold Newman?

Maybe I am getting too old, but saying Playboy is "artistic nude" is the same as saying oral sex is the same as kissing.

Mar 10 06 06:29 pm Link

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DJTalStudios

Posts: 602

Seattle, Washington, US

How about we simplify things a bit.

Playboy nudes= Im not spreading my vagina open for the world to see.
Art nude/Glamour Nude Still nude isn't it? And in fact the most "vulgar" image can still be ART nude.

As I said in a previous post a few months back. The only difference between ART nude and Porn is that one is in color... LOL

Though I do agree with the Playboy is mostly glamour nude. But there are way too many names for the same things.

Mar 10 06 06:54 pm Link

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nick latino

Posts: 291

Tucson, Arizona, US

William Coleman wrote:

Chris, you beat me to the punch.  Well, I'll say my line, anyway.  Oral sex is the same as kissing, if your aim is bad.

Is dinner included in this as well?

Mar 11 06 11:40 am Link

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jeff s

Posts: 282

Springfield, Massachusetts, US

McKenzie wrote:
LOL....ok....here is my definition.  Playboy is erotica/porn.  Any type of nude that involves glamour nude or an image that says "come f*** me" is NOT an artistic nude.  I feel that an artistic nude is an image that doesn't say "come f*** me".  It is an image for the appreciation of the meaning behind it and the form of art....the form of the human body.....nothing more. 

Ok...said my peace...I am outta here.  smile

xoxoxoxo
McKenzie

I think you answered the porn/artistic question with this statement.

I even think maxim is getting to the point of non nude porn with the come f*** me looks on the girls, don't get me wrong I read/look at maxim but what is the obsession with all these models that want to in there I think they are just looking for attention.

Mar 11 06 11:51 am Link

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Fotticelli

Posts: 12252

Rockville, Maryland, US

Wildcat Photography wrote:
What the heck is the difference between art and fine art?

It depends on how naked the model gets.

Mar 17 06 03:14 pm Link

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Alex Mercatali

Posts: 453

Forlì, Emilia-Romagna, Italy

mumble mumble, on the contrary, if no one want to do porn style, where in the heck I should look for that kind of models? big_smile

Playboy was fine when I was young, then it became boring.
Always the same stuff, always those so gorgeous models, that in real life don't exist (damn photographer that shot them!), always FAKE ENOURMOUS breast...
it will be fine again if I make it to old age, coz my head will be more stupid than ever (but far way less than now).

Mar 17 06 03:32 pm Link

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Frank Tammen

Posts: 203

Sacramento, California, US

RoninGarou wrote:
mumble mumble, on the contrary, if no one want to do porn style, where in the heck I should look for that kind of models? big_smile

Playboy was fine when I was young, then it became boring.
Always the same stuff, always those so gorgeous models, that in real life don't exist (damn photographer that shot them!), always FAKE ENOURMOUS breast...
it will be fine again if I make it to old age, coz my head will be more stupid than ever (but far way less than now).

I subscribed for years...then came the surgically/computer enhanced animation/cartoon characters that now pass for PB models...sooo boring...the stock tanked at 8 (from a high of 32) and is now vacillating around 14, even with PB online...

Mar 17 06 04:56 pm Link

Model

Isys Entertainment

Posts: 1420

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

The bottom line is image, A lot of ladies want to pretend they dont do nudes because they feel it will cheapen them..." Then they get a 5pm-5am in a strip club and act like they are pure.. Gimmie a break...

There is nothing wrong with nude images I mean did you come out of your mother's womb in a nun's habit...

If you can wear a bikini you can do a nude, if you love yourself and know your the shit, then you can do a nude..

The moral of the story is nude is nude is nude whether your in playboy hustler or your bedroom. So if you like the skin you live in than dont be ashamed of it..

Insecurity is the only thing that will cheapen a woman


Alisun

Mar 17 06 10:22 pm Link

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A J Kahn

Posts: 120

Ann Arbor, Michigan, US

I don't think we can narrowly define what an artistic nude should or should not be.  It certainly can cover a wide range, and even cross over into other genres.  Think of Helmut Newton (whos work has appeared in playboy). I think many would agree that you can categorize his work as fine art, but also crosses into fashion and erotic as well.  I'm not saying Playboy is a fine art nude publication (It's much closer to glamour in my book), but at times, I think we can agree, that perhaps the definition of fine art is evolving.

Mar 18 06 07:25 am Link

Photographer

Anderson Artwork

Posts: 493

Kansas City, Missouri, US

Isys Entertainment wrote:
The bottom line is image, A lot of ladies want to pretend they dont do nudes because they feel it will cheapen them..." Then they get a 5pm-5am in a strip club and act like they are pure.. Gimmie a break...

There is nothing wrong with nude images I mean did you come out of your mother's womb in a nun's habit...

If you can wear a bikini you can do a nude, if you love yourself and know your the shit, then you can do a nude..

The moral of the story is nude is nude is nude whether your in playboy hustler or your bedroom. So if you like the skin you live in than dont be ashamed of it..

Insecurity is the only thing that will cheapen a woman


Alisun

Great Attitude! I wish everyone could adopt it. It only comes down to a matter of privacy then. If you're not wanting anyone but a spouse to see you...then keep your clothes on...including the postage stamp sized bikinis. If you are ok with sharing your beauty with others...then do it...anyone that makes that a bad thing...it's in their minds. Now that doesn't apply to what activities you may doing WHILE nude....sex is sex. Porn has it's place but it not for public venues. What an adult chooses for themselves is between themselves...not to be inflicted upon others.

Mar 18 06 08:44 am Link

Model

Isys Entertainment

Posts: 1420

Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Yes Simple logic and if you use it ,then you can draw those lines because at the end of the day morals and business usually dont mix...Ask Trump he knows..lol

Mar 18 06 12:48 pm Link

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Martini

Posts: 343

Greensboro, North Carolina, US

Apfel Photography wrote:
OK, I am confused.  More and more I am seeing these new models popping up.... you know, the ones where their cover picture is them wearing old panties, sitting on thier bed wearing nothing but a baseball cap and shot with a web-cam... who state that they will not do any "adult nudes" or "erotica nudes".  Only "artistic nudes" and their aspiration is to appear in Playboy.

Funnily enough, these are often the same models who put in their profiles "Paid Assignments Only". A few friends and I have a running e-mail called I.O.T.D. (Idiot Of The Day), and these "models" are the frequent winners!

Mar 18 06 05:18 pm Link

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shotbytim

Posts: 1040

Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US

From my talks with models I get the idea that in thier minds, PB style means she'll shoot nudes as long as her vulva isn't visible and she's not supposed to simulate a sex act. I don't think the term is especially accurate anymore, given the number of photos in PB that show vulvas clearly enough for us to see piercings and distinguish "innies" from "outies". Allusions to masturbation aren't rare. Maxim is kind of funny in that although less of the body is shown, the poses are often more provocative than PB.

Mar 18 06 05:44 pm Link

Model

Grey C

Posts: 351

San Francisco, California, US

now thats just plain silly

Mar 19 06 03:53 pm Link

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richeille bj

Posts: 55

New York, New York, US

WhiteBears Visions wrote:
I think they mean they won't do SWANK or Hustler...  wink

i guess they mean NO LIPS

Mar 19 06 03:56 pm Link

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Force Foto

Posts: 11

Chicago, Illinois, US

Steven Eldridge wrote:
This is a difficult one for me because I don't think playboy is porn.  I consider it glamour nude.  SWANK, Penthouse, and Hustler on the other hand.  I do very much see as porn.  I see "none" of them as artistic nudes.

I have had this same issue.  I contact them about glamour nudes and they start with the "I only do artistic nudes".  I look at their portfolios and I see nudes...but nothing artistic about them.

Hmm.. 
I think there is a art form to the magazines you are talking about.  Have you ever seen the work of Earl Miller and Suze Randall?  They both masters of lighting and thier craft.  Plus, have you seen Playboy lately?  The models are doing spreads a lot more now.
It should be reffered to now as "Spread Nude" or "Non-Spread Nude".  D'oh!

Mar 20 06 10:55 am Link

Model

shimmer

Posts: 680

Arlington, Texas, US

Alot of the models you're referencing don't realize that the models featured in Playboy, FHM, Maxim and the like are covered in body makeup, totally madeup in the face and hair, and then retouched in the editing department before the pics are ever seen by the public.

That's a lot of pre and post production work that, I think, uninformed models are NOT aware of.


That's only, however, my impression.

Mar 20 06 11:08 am Link

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Frank Tammen

Posts: 203

Sacramento, California, US

Playboy Magazine and Web has lost readership and profits for a one simple reason: full-on web/magazine raunch has trumped PB as a stroke-book. Period. The articles were terrific once guys got through workin' over babes images...now it's a cartoon book, and guys with money don't dig cartoons--but it's a wonderful magazine for the artistic nude/animation/surgical/computer enhancement crowd.

Mar 20 06 11:12 am Link

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Brian Hillburn

Posts: 2442

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Oral sex is kissing(lol).
Now back to the subject...

Mar 20 06 11:15 am Link

Photographer

Hamza

Posts: 7791

New York, New York, US

Apfel Photography wrote:
Maybe I am getting too old, but saying Playboy is "artistic nude" is the same as saying oral sex is the same as kissing.

Who cares if a model is delusional? Find someone else to shoot. Models are a dime a dozen! I find that most photogs/gwc's on MM are delusional!!!

First of all, you are too old and second, oral sex is the same as kissing!

If you catch your wife having oral sex with your best friend, she is cheating on you.
If you catch your wife kissing your best friend, she is cheating on you.

So you see the two are the same.

Time for the old folks home pops...

Mar 20 06 11:35 am Link

Model

Zoe

Posts: 1326

Palm Beach, Florida, US

i agree, the ones who 'only do playboy type nudes' are saying that they have *no* intention of posing for porn.

at least that's my thought.  oh well.  *shrug*

Mar 20 06 08:40 pm Link

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MS Photo Chicago

Posts: 387

Chicago, Illinois, US

Most models don't know the difference between fine art, playboy style, etc. Some just want to be paid. Some can tell good photography from bad. Some will work with you because you shot their friend. What I've learned is that regardless of what the model knows if your photography resonates with her and she trusts you, she will shoot whatever you have mind.

mike

Mar 20 06 08:51 pm Link