Jayne Jones wrote:
Is there some magic number of shoots?

42.

Brian Diaz wrote:

42.

That or when you have shot with me or Pie Bear.

Since only Jesus and the dummy have shot with me,  I am smelling Pie Bear behind as far as letting people cross the line.

Brian Diaz wrote:
I suggest listening to more Jimi Hendrix.

OR

On an empty table or counter place one grain of salt.  Ask yourself if it is a heap of salt.  If the answer is no, add one more grain of salt.  Ask yourself if that is a heap of salt.

Repeat until you have a heap of salt.

Listening to Jimi Hendrix is more fun, though.

Jimmi IS fabulous.  You are so serious.  Are you always like this?

Jayne Jones wrote:
You are so serious.  Are you always like this?

Yes.

(But I'm not being serious in this answer.)

(Wait...is that disclaimer serious?  Does that negate the non-seriousness of the answer?  I'm confused!  Agck!)

Andrew Semansco wrote:
Lies normally float better than truth.

I will agree with you here, but don't you think that the industry has enough unprofessionalism in it?  Just curious.

Andrew Semansco wrote:
List yourself as experienced. Now go out there and back it up.

Not really comfortable with that one just yet.  Still think my naivete shows too much.  Besides. . .I don't want to get bashed on this site.

Andrew Semansco wrote:
Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful.

Is this a compliment?

Andrew Semansco wrote:
Lies normally float better than truth.

When the lies are obvious, they sink like stones. 

When I see a profile from someone claiming to be experienced and their work is still nothing but a bunch of snapshots or just barely better, it makes a worse impression than when the smae level of work is labled "no experience." No experience indicates that you're planning to get better instead of thinking you're already there.

Brian Diaz wrote:

42.

There's that magic number again! It's true, it really is the answer to everything.

David Moyle wrote:

There's that magic number again! It's true, it really is the answer to everything.

And Life and The Universe.

Brian Diaz wrote:
It's like defining art or porn; you can't put it to words, but you'll know it when you see it.

Wow....I think that is the best answer to the question "What is Art?" that I have ever seen.  I'm keeping that in the memory bank!

Jayne Jones wrote:
Well now I know.  And knowing is half the battle.

One step closer to being experienced.... 

And not to sound too corny or motivational-postery, remember that it's a journey, not a destination.

And G.I. Joe rules.

Jayne Jones wrote:
Where is the boundary from inexperienced cross over to experienced????

After a model has worked with me once, she's experienced, as far as I'm concerned, because I don't have to tell her, for subsequent shoots, all the same crap I had to tell her for the first shoot (which I have to tell her regardless of how "experienced" she was before her first shoot with me).  Also, she's probably more relaxed on subsequent shoots so she's better able to act out an attitude without being embarrassed that she looks ridiculous.

-Dave

area291 wrote:
Client:  Is that how this works?
Photographer:  Some seem to think so...

LOL!  Maybe if you put it into cartoon form...

area291 wrote:
Client:  She has the perfect look for the campaign.
Photographer:  She has no experience.
Client:  So.
Photographer:  She hasn't had the recommended 42 shoots under her belt.
Client:  Oh, Ok.  How about this other one?
Photographer:  Great, she has 44 total shoots.
Client:  But her look is all wrong.
Photographer:  Doesn't matter, she's experienced.
Client:  Is that how this works?
Photographer:  Some seem to think so...

You are my hero!  Hold me.

Brian Diaz wrote:

And Life and The Universe.

Next, you'll be telling me that mice are superior in intellect and are the only ones who know what the question was.

David Moyle wrote:

Next, you'll be telling me that mice are superior in intellect and are the only ones who know what the question was.

Of course mice don't know the question. That's why they had us built.

theda wrote:

Of course mice don't know the question. That's why they had us built.

The mice don't know the question either. Stoopid hyperspace bypass.

theda wrote:
Of course mice don't know the question. That's why they had us built.

Pat Thielen wrote:
The mice don't know the question either. Stoopid hyperspace bypass.

And we're back!

Dave Krueger wrote:

After a model has worked with me once, she's experienced, as far as I'm concerned, because I don't have to tell her, for subsequent shoots, all the same crap I had to tell her for the first shoot (which I have to tell her regardless of how "experienced" she was before her first shoot with me).  Also, she's probably more relaxed on subsequent shoots so she's better able to act out an attitude without being embarrassed that she looks ridiculous.

-Dave

So we shoot when???    Presuptuous of me. . .I know.

Jayne Jones wrote:
Well, being mature is a matter of constant growth.  I'm just asking. . .when can one expect to stop putting inexperienced on their modeling resume?

It is when you can say you know what you are doing...wait, that leaves me out --probably forever. 

And about maturity, remember:  you are only young once, but you can be immature forever.

Just put "some experience".  It says you have done more than one shoot and are not snooty enough to think you know everything.  At some point "experienced" and "very experienced" will just seem right.  I like Brian Diaz grain/heap of salt analogy.

Jayne Jones wrote:
Well, being mature is a matter of constant growth.  I'm just asking. . .when can one expect to stop putting inexperienced on their modeling resume?

Far West Imaging wrote:
It is when you can say you know what you are doing...wait, that leaves me out --probably forever. 

And about maturity, remember:  you are only young once, but you can be immature forever.

Just put "some experience".  It says you have done more than one shoot and are not snooty enough to think you know everything.  At some point "experienced" and "very experienced" will just seem right.  I like Brian Diaz grain/heap of salt analogy.

I think you said something there!  I know a lot of 30+, 40+ and on and on year olds that are really 2.  Hehehe  Sad thing is. . .they're PROUD of that.  *shakes head*

Brian is cool people.  My grandfather describes eternity that way. . .well. . .sort of.  I guess I'm just so anxious to learn!  And. . .to have people stop looking at me like "Why are you really here, you know nothing fool???"