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What are Goth and Alternative models?
I am interested in learning more about some of the professional modeling sub categories. What is Goth and Alternative modeling? Is there a professional market for Goth and Alternative models? if so, where is most of it happening and what kinds of projects are they cast for? Feb 14 06 01:51 am Link I am an goth/alt model mostly you see the models such as myself at clubs or on here i got quite a few on my friends ... Feb 14 06 01:55 am Link a goth/alt model's gotta goth or alternative look... body mods (tattoos, piercings), dyed hair, certain fashion and makeup choices... i used to be pretty goth but now im going for versatile. the market for goth/alt models is usually goth/alt magazines, websites, promotional parties... or for those types of fashion labels, or pinup sites like suicidegirls, godsgirls, fatalbeauties, etc Feb 14 06 02:05 am Link Prepare for a mid-sized wave from this one, Jay! We had fun with the 'fetish' version of this earlier in the week. Goth/Alt modeling is normally a heavily lifestyled niche concentrated predominantly on a look, normally fashion oriented (moreso for goth than alt). Actually, it's best to separate the two for simplicity's sake (the two, themselves, overlap here and there but are otherwise mutually exclusive). As with any niche, the popularity of the look sets the tone for the demand. It's become a lot more mainstream with recent movies (among other things) acting as a means of exposure (think Underworld, The Matrix, etc.). Man...the more I think of trying to effectively describe and isolate each one, even on its own, the more the mind starts spinning... Hmm....I think I may have a huddle with the brain here in a bit and regroup for a more coherent answer...! Feb 14 06 02:06 am Link Jay Dezelic wrote: Quick and dirty rundown : Feb 14 06 02:07 am Link a picture is worth a thousand words nihilus! just take a look at Nihilus's profile, or Lithium_Picnic, or Pat Thielen, or Aprella, etc, etc... theres some goth stuff goin' on there. Feb 14 06 02:09 am Link MadamePsychosis wrote: Unexpected company to have my name thrown about in. Thank you. MadamePsychosis wrote: Awww... Feb 14 06 02:19 am Link Goth comprhend 2 different kinds of style, one being really the gothic of medieval time, but they're rare to find, the other is cybergothic, usually people that loves ebm music (das ich, combichrist, just to name a few). Piercing and tattoo are a plus, not a must. I know many people in the italian scene and they don't have any. As usual, there's no distinction from a "classy" model and an alternative one, when we come down to piercing and tattoo. Ok, the latter usually have more, but nowadays some kind of piercings and tattoos are usually accepted even in high class (think of the madonna/monroe piercing or some small tribal tattoo). As for fetish, latex latex latex, or heavy rubber, and sometimes pvc. Apart from this, some latex shots are so good that they're really High class as a Vogue adv imho. Well, in the fetish you should consider about: bondage, bdsm play. So, who is the right model for bdsm? There's no such right and wrong, I mean, aw, cmon, everyone can play ;-) who is up to be spanked !? Feb 14 06 02:24 am Link RoninGarou wrote: Is Goth then associated with fetish modeling? Or is completely different? Are the majority of Goth models into the same lifestyle? Or is Goth nowadays becoming more of a look that is not specifically associated with a specific lifestyle and choice of music? Feb 14 06 02:38 am Link Personally I prefer to work with people that not only look, but live that way. So, yes goth is usually attached to fetish, but it's always up to whom you're dealing with. Alternative is going mainstream (if it's not already mainstream in some way), you will see more and more people being alternative just for the sake of it. btw you've the kind of style for heavy metal stuff, like wearing a chainmail, brandishing a sword and so on you should try and see if you like it. Feb 14 06 02:57 am Link RoninGarou wrote: So, alternative is more of a broad mainstream idea than Goth? I have seen what I thought was considered Goth on cast members of some popular TV shows lately. - Maybe what I see is considered more alternative? Is the costuming style in the movie Matrix Alternative or Goth? Feb 14 06 03:04 am Link Jay Dezelic wrote: Both terms are so often interchanged, it's hard to delineate the differences. Goth is based on look alone (for the most part). Fetish involves a role...acts, as it were. As in, there are likely some fetish style themes that some goths would not consider approaching (ropework, bondage). Feb 14 06 03:05 am Link Nihilus wrote: Does Alternative imply ropework, bondage or nudity? If so, how would you describe Alternative style without fetish, ropework, bondage, or nudity? Feb 14 06 03:10 am Link Jay Dezelic wrote: OK... there's many different types of Goth... some may wear PVC, which can be a fetish in itself... but I'm here to discuss Goth... in particular, the female Goth.... You'll tend to see simularities.. lotsa velvet, white pancake makeup, red lips, a soft spot for Kate Bush... Feb 14 06 03:16 am Link Jay Dezelic wrote: Alternative is a separe entity. It deals moreso with aspect RoninGarou had mentioned earlier: tattoos, piercings. Visually, different looks fall under the "alt" label: punk, raver, grunge, maybe even a bit of skater-ish style. Truthfully, depending on who you talk to, variants of goth can also fall under (and could even be considered a subcategory of) Alt. Feb 14 06 03:18 am Link AllenA wrote: Lol! Exactly the extended outline I was hesitant to have to type out. So many substyles just in goth alone. Nice list. Feb 14 06 03:19 am Link AllenA wrote: Good stuff! Feb 14 06 03:21 am Link The reason I ask these questions is that I am trying to figure out what style of modeling I best fit into. Maybe I will invent a new category like "New Age Renaissance" or something Feb 14 06 03:24 am Link Goth and fetish sometimes Inter mix. But I do feitsh and wear latex and I am far from goth. Some of it boarder lines. Some people have called me retro goth... maybe it's the pale skin and raven hair? But it's almost a opinion... what goth is? Feb 14 06 03:26 am Link Jay Dezelic wrote: I really dig the look you have. Renaissance is a good adjective. My general wardrobe is a bit of an oddity as well, to the point where I'm claiming pioneering rights on "metro goth". Feb 14 06 03:26 am Link Nihilus wrote: Thanks! I just spent a couple of hours with a goth model looking at locations for a possible shoot next month. She and I went over about 20 other types of goth, so this was fresh (like the scent of blood) in my mind. Feb 14 06 03:28 am Link Samantha Grace wrote: Fetish, definitely. Very Betty Page. Feb 14 06 03:29 am Link AllenA wrote: Still rolling from that one...! (BTW: love your work!) Many sincere thanks. It's always a nice ego boost receving compliments from people who have much more experience than I (I've seen your site). Feb 14 06 03:33 am Link Nihilus wrote: Thanks...but your experience with models is much greater then mine. Come on over and we'll listen to Bauhaus and drink absinthe (by the GODESS, I hate that stuff) Feb 14 06 03:45 am Link The opportunities available to goth and/or alternative models doesn't differ too much than commercial models. It's just the style that differs. Goth models still get to do runway, advertising and print, video clips etc etc. If you're going to try for that market, you need to be willing to commit. Many alternative and goth models have wild hair colours, body modifications and mountains of accessories they can bring with them. The beauty of 'alternative' modelling is that you can pretty much style your own look and go from there. If you're looking to be more of a fantasy style (D&D, medieval, knights etc) model then your look at present is fine - you just need to get pictures into your folio to confirm you cann pull the look off convincingly. There is nothing worse than a picture in a commercial models portfolio with dark eyemakeup and black lipstick with the note "this is me as a goth" beneath it. It just doesn't fly. I also love the versatility open to goth and alternative models. People are more likely to suggest something crazy to a model that looks a little crazy Feb 14 06 03:45 am Link AllenA wrote: *gag* Tried it for the first time about a month and a half ago. Felt nauseous the rest of the night. No matter how much sugar I added...it didn't help! Nytevision wrote: Praise you, my child!! Feb 14 06 03:48 am Link My two cents, just because I can't stay away from the forums lately *shrugs* First of all, thanks Nihilus for pointing to my images #^,^# "Alternative" implies goth, fetish, cyber, [add something else here] styles, or a combo, or all of them. A model who does 'goth' automatically does something 'alternative', just because these styles are different from the 'mainstream' [even if I agree with Ronin about the mainstream-process of the niche]. Same goes for fetish. As for fetish, there are WAY too many fetishes and it's imho a very general term. Speaking of me, I model fetishwear [rubber, latex, masks..] but I'm really not interested in foot fetish. They both are part of the 'general' fetish universe, but they're very diffent. It's somehow a complicated topic to talk about Fetish does not necessarily imply bondage [ropework and such stuff], and bondage does not imply fetish as well [unless you consider ropes a fetish, which is even true, but let's forget this kind of 'fetish' concept a bit now]. Replying your question, ropework and bondage imply alternative, yes. How to describe alternative? It's easier to describe what it is not. Whatever, i'll try with a sucky example, but better than nothing at all: Picture a girl being photographed on a sofa, holding a teddy bear. Long brown hair, light blue eyes, pout lips and all. 'Mainstream'. Dye her hair pink or green, add her some tatoos or piercings. It will look different to you. That may be considered 'alternative'. Then you can add a thousand ideas, such her holding a bdsm teddy bear [they exist, I swear!] or some blood dripping and it will get even more alternative, as it goes away from the mainstream 'fashion' schema and it gets into the 'alternative' one. My idea is that alternative models are unique. And it's really difficult to explain what, in general, 'alternative' is. I guess you should check some portfolios/websites to get the idea Some hints: KumiMonster Josie Nutter Morgana Darenzia ChinaGirl Elva Elin Strigå Alyz FeistyDiva Robert Chouraqui LithiumPicnic .. and many many others Hope it was useful o.o" regards, Delilah [edited: fixed the links] Feb 14 06 03:50 am Link Nihilus wrote: But were you adding water as well? Feb 14 06 04:11 am Link Jay Dezelic wrote: Go for it. Feb 14 06 04:28 am Link I should have called you to join me at the Fenix last night, you could have seen some fetish modeling up close. remind me next full moon to call you.... Feb 14 06 04:39 am Link I am also still wondering where I fit into the scheme of things.. I'm not a goth, I'm metal.. alternative I guess since I'm not mainstream.. What do you guys think? Feb 14 06 05:43 am Link Miss Christina wrote: I'd love to have a whole thread on you alone. You deserve it. Especially 'cause of your 'legs' shot. Start one and I'll contribute (err.. if you want my rantings!) Feb 14 06 06:30 am Link Jay Dezelic wrote: Well it's apparent to me that you dont fall into the "GOTH" category dispite it's diversity. My thoughts on your look is between "NEW AGE" & "ROMANTIC" but I hardly find the former alone to be flattering as a classification.Perhaps the combination of the two might yield something of more benefit? Now does "NEW AGE ROMANTIC" resonate for you is the question! Feb 14 06 06:52 am Link AllenA wrote: ARRRGH NO! Feb 14 06 06:58 am Link Sirensong wrote: Yes, but as a good Goth, you surely would have read Elizabeth Kubler-Ross, 'Death, the Final Stage of Life' Feb 14 06 07:12 am Link AllenA wrote: One that likes the style and attitude, but deons't care for the suicidal philosophy perhaps? Feb 14 06 07:18 am Link AllenA wrote: I dont think I have ever been a good goth...My eyeliner hand is too wonky. Feb 14 06 07:31 am Link I think I qualify as an alt model.I used to have piercings and crazy hair but I dyed it black and took them out to give myself a more versatile look.But for the question of what an alt model is I'd say they are anything different from a commercial model.I think Goth models tend to be the leading group of the alt models.It's what I see most of.I'd like to think of myself as (and I hate to try to label it) punk/raver kind of model.I like costuming the most though. Feb 14 06 07:42 am Link AllenA wrote: Not all Goths aspire towards death in some hellbent nihilistic fashion,some of us embrace the greater mysteries of life and death. My thoughts are we choose to acknowlege the brutality and ugliness that so often accompany human nature. Feb 14 06 07:49 am Link Zeo wrote: that's why I LOVE them Feb 14 06 07:53 am Link |