Angela Benedict wrote:
I just weighed in this morning at a whopping 108lbs. At 5'2" that would make me morbidly obese.

Haha!!

Lapis wrote:

jennylorraine wrote:

Aleta Pardalis wrote:
Who really wants to be stick straight & anorexic looking anyway.

Although I agree that girls should never be pressured into looking too skinny or too fat, I think alot of girls like to look skinny. Some even want to look anorexic or sickly. It's not healthy, by any means and I would never encourage it, but I just think that statement went against what I know. Millions of girls have eating disorders because they want to look that way.

Lapis wrote:

Tina Ginger wrote:
Wow thats pretty wild.....I would hate to be those models who qualify.And they look bad on the models when they get caught with drugs & so forth,or end up in the hospital with a bad eating disorder.

or in the obituary page

BeccaNDSouth wrote:
this isn't how the real market is over there in europe is it? It reminds me of the show "America's Next Top Model" but I think the european version might be a bit more cruel when it comes to weight issues.

Outside... or for that matter even inside... those TV shows there is more to "cruel" than you know.

In the European fashion market specifically? And of course that is what these TV shows are all about... the "fashion" market; "fashion" clients; and "fashion" agencies.

Weight issues to be sure - even when there is no genuine issue at all. Models could look like tall versions of hungry war orphans and would still be told they are too fat.

They can be even more cruel about refusal to do "nudity"... a staple in European fashions and advertising... if a model won't do "nudity" she won't get work... at least anywhere near the top end of the market;...

...and I've seen girls sent packing with their tails between their legs, and told not to come back again, for being as little as 5 minutes late for a casting.

Any whinging, whining or crying [on the model's part] will usually get a stern lecture from the booker... or worse if it takes a serious turn with a client.

The usual fashion agency thought process goes something like this: When, for every model on our books there are 500 others trying to get in the doors; when the working life of a typical fashion model is from 3 - 5 years... and the supply of new faces will never be exhausted, then every one of them is expendable. You don't conform to the agency requirements; you refuse work; you are late for an assignment multiple times; you step out of line; you're gone.

That's the facts... even if it is a little teensy weensy bit different from what some models here seem to believe they can get away with.

Studio36

Mach V Speed wrote:

I don't know Jenny, you'd get my vote!

heeheehee, thanks!!

;-)

studio36uk wrote:
That's the facts... even if it is a little teensy weensy bit different from what some models here seem to believe they can get away with.

Studio36

Thanks for making this clear...

I'd say that the business of modeling over there is much more "business oriented", where here, because of the overall higher bodyfat ratio of most Americans, there is a political correctness trend sneaking in that enables a model, that won't fit into the garment yell "discrimination" and some carve in.

Annnd... a model at 5'9" and 114lbs can be too fat... why?

Because if the model has almost no lean muscle tissue, which weighs about 5 times as much as fatty tissue, the entire body can look flabby and out of shape.

Where a model of the same height, could weigh 130lbs and be leaner/skinnier appearing than the other model, because she has muscle tone the brings up the bodyweight, but has a much smaller bodyfat count.

Kemara wrote:
omg! I don't even wanna TRY to think of what i'd be called!

Ditto on that!
I'd be called "The Next Shamu" lol at 5'9 180lbs hahaha

UdoR wrote:
Annnd... a model at 5'9" and 114lbs can be too fat... why?

Because if the model has almost no lean muscle tissue, which weighs about 5 times as much as fatty tissue, the entire body can look flabby and out of shape.

Where a model of the same height, could weigh 130lbs and be leaner/skinnier appearing than the other model, because she has muscle tone the brings up the bodyweight, but has a much smaller bodyfat count.

And the fat, what there is of it on a woman, is not evenly distributed - it tends to accumulate in certain parts of the body that result in the clothing not looking good on the model. A cardinal sin in the fashion and modelling business.

Studio36

UdoR wrote:

Thanks for making this clear...

I'd say that the business of modeling over there is much more "business oriented", where here, because of the overall higher bodyfat ratio of most Americans, there is a political correctness trend sneaking in that enables a model, that won't fit into the garment yell "discrimination" and some carve in.

Annnd... a model at 5'9" and 114lbs can be too fat... why?

Because if the model has almost no lean muscle tissue, which weighs about 5 times as much as fatty tissue, the entire body can look flabby and out of shape.

Where a model of the same height, could weigh 130lbs and be leaner/skinnier appearing than the other model, because she has muscle tone the brings up the bodyweight, but has a much smaller bodyfat count.

very true

UdoR wrote:

Thanks for making this clear...

I'd say that the business of modeling over there is much more "business oriented", where here, because of the overall higher bodyfat ratio of most Americans, there is a political correctness trend sneaking in that enables a model, that won't fit into the garment yell "discrimination" and some carve in.

Annnd... a model at 5'9" and 114lbs can be too fat... why?

Because if the model has almost no lean muscle tissue, which weighs about 5 times as much as fatty tissue, the entire body can look flabby and out of shape.

Where a model of the same height, could weigh 130lbs and be leaner/skinnier appearing than the other model, because she has muscle tone the brings up the bodyweight, but has a much smaller bodyfat count.

I was tryi9ng to figureo ut how to say the same thing without getting yelled at - haha.

Well said