Model
Brandy McDaniels
Posts: 242
Los Angeles, California, US
What happen to paying models to model? I mean how are us models supost to make money doing this?
Photographer
Amanda Schlicher
Posts: 1131
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
1. get an agent
2. do porn
3. you'll never make any significant money as a model doing fashion poses for random photographers, and photographers won't pay you to pose for them unless a. You have a unique look and they really want you for their portfolio, b. You are doing porn or "risque" modeling and the photographer is selling the content, c. the photographer has a client and is in charge of choosing his/her own models, or d. the photographer is a creep and wants you for his "personal collection" (read: jerk file)
4. Most won't consider you for a commercial job without an agent and with only a year experience unless you have an outstanding portfolio
What ever happened to paying photographers?
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
BMcDaniels wrote:
What happen to paying models to model? I mean how are us models supost to make money doing this? The same thing that happened to paying photographers to photograph. The internet.
No clients hang out here.
Model
~*Isabel Aurora*~
Posts: 5778
Boca del Mar, Florida, US
If you are only in this for the money, then you need to do what Amanda said
Also, if you are only in this for money, then you give an itch to those of us who do it because we love it
Photographer
Luther
Posts: 233
Arlington, Virginia, US
BMcDaniels wrote:
What happen to paying models to model? I mean how are us models supost to make money doing this? supply and demand.
look how many "models" are on this site.
Photographer
Zion Imaging
Posts: 890
Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, US
Amanda Schlicher wrote:
1. get an agent
2. do porn
3. you'll never make any significant money as a model doing fashion poses for random photographers, and photographers won't pay you to pose for them unless a. You have a unique look and they really want you for their portfolio, b. You are doing porn or "risque" modeling and the photographer is selling the content, c. the photographer has a client and is in charge of choosing his/her own models, or d. the photographer is a creep and wants you for his "personal collection" (read: jerk file)
4. Most won't consider you for a commercial job without an agent and with only a year experience unless you have an outstanding portfolio
What ever happened to paying photographers? I like the read: jerk file Amanda. lmao
Model
spyro2122
Posts: 760
Orlando, Florida, US
that is pretty good. but true.
Photographer
Brian Diaz
Posts: 65617
Danbury, Connecticut, US
BMcDaniels wrote:
What happen to paying models to model? I mean how are us models supost to make money doing this? Read this: www.newmodels.com
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
Ok, I have to say this. I can't help it.
Trash everything in your portfolio except the last image of you nude in the water. Hire a professional photographer to take more of those (clothed as well). And you'll be on to something.
You look great there.
Yes, I am a prick. Everyone knows it. People have said it. It's old news.
Photographer
John Van
Posts: 3122
Vienna, Wien, Austria
David Moyle wrote:
Ok, I have to say this. I can't help it.
Trash everything in your portfolio except the last image of you nude in the water. Hire a professional photographer to take more of those (clothed as well). And you'll be on to something.
You look great there.
Yes, I am a prick. Everyone knows it. People have said it. It's old news. You're right too, at least in this case. There, I said it: David Moyle is right.
Photographer
Harrison Sweazea
Posts: 986
Jefferson City, Missouri, US
"jerk file..." that cracks me up!
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
JvR wrote:
You're right too, at least in this case. There, I said it: David Moyle is right. Noting how you didn't say which part I was right about 
Photographer
kickfight
Posts: 35054
Portland, Oregon, US
BMcDaniels wrote:
What happen to paying llamas to llama? I mean how are us llamas supost to make money doing this? Aside from what has been already mentioned here (all valid, BTW), you REALLY need to do something to stand out. You're attractive, but your photos for the most part are really generic and boring. It doesn't mean they're bad, it just means they won't make you memorable to anyone. The one at the end (in the pool) is of a better caliber, and yet it's STILL boring and in fact rather unflattering.
The body-paint one is an excellent photo for you, because the paint around your face gives your eyes a rather feral intensity that's just doesn't show in your other images. Honestly, you seem kinda tired-looking in your other images.
Something more artistic and edgy would suit you. The generic, rote poses you've got right now are, IMHO, working completely against you.
Photographer
Hamza
Posts: 7791
New York, New York, US
David Moyle wrote:
Ok, I have to say this. I can't help it.
Trash everything in your portfolio except the last image of you nude in the water. Hire a professional photographer to take more of those (clothed as well). And you'll be on to something.
You look great there.
Yes, I am a prick. Everyone knows it. People have said it. It's old news. I know he's a Dick, but I have to agree with everything he said... Damn!
Photographer
Doug Lester
Posts: 10591
Atlanta, Georgia, US
There is little to no paying work on the net, for either photographer or model, other than porn. You have the stats, so go out and look for brick and mortar commercial modeling agencies. The real money for models is in doing commercial work and that just doesn't exist on the net. Find a photographer, off the net, who actually does commercial work and pay him for a portfolio, it will be very different from what you now show in your portfolio. Then shop those photos to legitimate commercial modeling agencies.
Photographer
AllenA
Posts: 591
Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
BMcDaniels wrote:
What happen to paying models to model? I mean how are us models supost to make money doing this? Many of the comments left here are quite brutal & sarcastic.
Unfortunately, most of them are correct...
That is, they are correct as far as the experience of each of the posters is concerned.
As a wannabe photographer, my model shots are currently poor. However, the landscape shots I've been working on for the past couple of years ( http://allen3231.fotopic.net/ ) has brought me the business of a company owner seeking to have her products shot in a natural landscape environment. So I've gotten paid a couple of times...
http://www.theadelaidegiftcompany.com.au/
Now, she wants me to include a model in the next shoot. Nothing special, just a faceless model wearing one of her aprons and a second shot in a robe. She's given me a detailed brief and a budget. I figure that I can afford $75 AUD per hour for 2 hours for a model, while still getting MY $75 per hour for shooting & PP time. I will be paying a model... to model.
If/when I nail the 2 needed shots, I'll have the model pose for me in casual modern clothes... with those shots, I'm planning to do my own 'brochure' to take to the local mom & pop clothing stores to show them what I can do to better their current advertisements with a decent camera + model.
Hopefully, I'll get work for myself AND my model. I know at least 3 clothing stores putting out advertising with crap photography and crap models. As unexperienced as I am, I know I can do better.
Enough about my stuff... what you need to do is find a photographer who is trying to market him or herself.
Find someone who is proactive.
Find a photographer with customers.
As a model, be proactive yourself. Be a marketer of your favorate product: YOU. It takes time + energy, but find where you know you can do better then the images you see....
Anyway, I expect that I'll get slammed in one way or another for posting this, but I wish you luck, and I hope that you go out and make it happen for yourself.
Cheers,
Allen
Photographer
John Van
Posts: 3122
Vienna, Wien, Austria
David Moyle wrote:
Noting how you didn't say which part I was right about Yeah, the disclaimer would have been too long to fit on a page...
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
JvR wrote:
Yeah, the disclaimer would have been too long to fit on a page... LOL
Photographer
Digital Dragon
Posts: 420
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
BMcDaniels wrote:
What happen to paying models to model? I mean how are us models supost to make money doing this? You're looking in all the wrong places. As a general rule, photographers DO NOT pay models. We are supposed to pay them. That's how THEY make money. We make money from clients, not photographers (unless the photographer is doing a personal project, and they decide to pay you. Do what models/actresses have been doing forever, and get a day job or apply to be a waitress, that's where your in between money will come from. Even the top editorial jobs don't pay much, so I am wondering where you are expecting to make all this money....
EDIT: Oops- I wrote this from my husband's account- I am a model though.
Photographer
BasementStudios
Posts: 801
Newton Falls, Ohio, US
Amanda Schlicher wrote:
1. get an agent
2. do porn
3. you'll never make any significant money as a model doing fashion poses for random photographers, and photographers won't pay you to pose for them unless a. You have a unique look and they really want you for their portfolio, b. You are doing porn or "risque" modeling and the photographer is selling the content, c. the photographer has a client and is in charge of choosing his/her own models, or d. the photographer is a creep and wants you for his "personal collection" (read: jerk file)
4. Most won't consider you for a commercial job without an agent and with only a year experience unless you have an outstanding portfolio
What ever happened to paying photographers? Oh look, the dead horse is back again!!! Everyone get your stick!!!!
Ahem.....enough sarcasm 
Amanda, excellent, accurate post. 'Nuff said.
Photographer
udor
Posts: 25255
New York, New York, US
JvR wrote:
You're right too, at least in this case. There, I said it: David Moyle is right. Other photographers AGREE with David???
Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse? 
Photographer
BasementStudios
Posts: 801
Newton Falls, Ohio, US
UdoR wrote:
Other photographers AGREE with David???
Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse? It's the final sign....RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Model
Sonya Marie
Posts: 592
Tucson, Arizona, US
David you just adopted your own fan club on this here thread....tear tear.. they grow up so fast..
Photographer
American Glamour
Posts: 38813
Detroit, Michigan, US
Brian Diaz wrote:
Read this: www.newmodels.com I love Roger, but this is becoming the most over-quoted link in the modeling industry.
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
UdoR wrote:
Other photographers AGREE with David???
Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse? Quite possibly. I am currently typing from under my desk.
Photographer
Voice of Reason
Posts: 8741
Anaheim, California, US
CrazyPreshus wrote:
David you just adopted your own fan club on this here thread....tear tear.. they grow up so fast.. LOL !
Model
BeccaNDSouth
Posts: 1670
Olympia, Washington, US
David Moyle wrote:
Quite possibly. I am currently typing from under my desk. Quick! Everyone break out the kevlar!
Sadly, though, even I agree with your comment, and I hardly agree with anyone anymore it seems! I know that many of my images are weak as well, though (I'm working on fixing that as soon as I get my shoot dates finalized).
There is a wise saying I once heard from a photographer, though: "You only get as much out of an image as you put into it." Meaning, if the model nor photographer uses their talent or effort to make the image work, then it won't work.
Photographer
Glamour Boulevard
Posts: 8628
Sacramento, California, US
BMcDaniels wrote:
What happen to paying models to model? I mean how are us models supost to make money doing this? What happened to models paying for portfolios?
Model
Sonya Marie
Posts: 592
Tucson, Arizona, US
And what ever happened the the birds and the bees??
Photographer
Sienna Hambleton
Posts: 10352
Toledo, Ohio, US
UdoR wrote:
Other photographers AGREE with David???
Isn't that one of the signs of the apocalypse? According to my friends, the other sure sign would be me having a girlfriend. No worries Udo, the world is safe.
Photographer
Lost Coast Photo
Posts: 2691
Ferndale, California, US
Hate to say it, but they're right.
It's possible to get paid if it's nude or fetish, and it's possible to work fairly steadily doing art nudes for college photo classes at $20 to $30 hour. But for anything involving fashion or anything else fully/mostly clothed, you realistically need to deal with the end client, and the clients don't hang out here... so the best way to do that is through a reputable agency. Online photographers spend all their money on fancy cameras, they don't have a lot left to hire models just for fun.
The better known photographers rarely if ever hire models, because they're in demand and they don't need to pay. Thus, all the mediocre images in the ports of models who only work directly for photographers (usually inexperienced photographers) and only for pay. Of course, it's hard to attract serious work with mediocre images, so it becomes circular logic.
I do know young women who survived and even paid the rent from online modeling income, but most of them now have day jobs that pay the bills and the modeling money is on the side.
Model
Envy
Posts: 11189
Nashville, Tennessee, US
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you're allowed to solicit yourself for g/g on MM..
Taken from your profile:
If you would like to work with me on a photoshoot, please provide me with the following information:
1) What type of photoshoot? (lingerie, Girl/Girl with toys , Playboy, etc.)
Photographer
MarkMarek
Posts: 2211
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Glamour Boulevard wrote:
What happened to models paying for portfolios? I'm guessing models still pay for portfolios. It's the wannabies internet is so infested with that have a problem with it and think their b(o)(o)bies are worth a fortune.
Model
Jackalin
Posts: 485
Holiday, Florida, US
Brian Diaz wrote:
Read this: www.newmodels.com Thank you that was very helpful. I made copies to read at my leisure.
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