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so how much would you pay?
all this endless talk about tfp and gwc's and photographers who are actually making the money leads me to this question: models - how much would you pay a photographer with a good portfolio for a session - given no tfp? $50? $100? $500? and what would you expect in return? images? cd? full res? all rights? honestly, I read this site and a bunch of others and the difference between the two are really crazy.... anywhere from photographers' charging $150 an hour with a minimum purchase of $250 worth of images (per hour) to photographers having 'modeling' sessions where the sale is over $1500 to photographers who are scraping by doing trades to photographers paying for models.... not trying to start an argument here, just honestly curious..... how much and what would you expect from it? Jan 27 06 09:50 pm Link While I'm not a model (pause for collective sigh of relief) I did *talk* to a model tonight who's *also* a very good photographer. She charges the same thing I do for a portfolio shoot: $150 for her, $150 for the makeup artist. (I don't charge for the MUA because I don't provide that service, although if the model wants one I put in her in touch with one and they work out their own price.) She seemed to think that was very reasonable (Given her talent, it is.) and she said she'd be willing to pay it herself for what she provides. Don't quote me on this, but I think for that you get one print per look and a certain number of files on CD from her. That's also what I give. M Jan 28 06 03:02 am Link I'm interested in seeing how this thread develops (I hope it develops, sheesh). To know what some of these models think they should pay for photo sessions would be interesting. Why not post this in Model Matters? Jan 28 06 10:39 am Link There are plenty here who think they should never pay a thing, and a lot of people who shoot that tell them they shouldn't either in this place. I don't remember meeting too many here who would openly admit that they would pay. The only ones that ever did are the ones who emailed me asking for my rates. Jan 28 06 10:45 am Link I just didn't know if people thought this would be a rude question....should I copy this to that forum? Jan 28 06 11:09 am Link I am willing to pay the photographer if I think their portfolio is professional looking. In return I'd expect a CD of images, hopefully with a couple of the best shots retouched, although I am becoming quite skilled with photoshop I think the price range varies depending on the caliber of the person's work. Ashlee Yvette Jan 28 06 11:13 am Link I would be interested in hearing from the models how long it took to build a professional portfolio (agency quality) by only doing tfp's. How many months/years? And from those models who paid a professional photographer(s) for immediate and targeted portfolio work and how much of a difference it made (if any) in their modeling careers. So.... How much difference does it really make? Thanks, JeffM Jan 28 06 11:29 am Link Ashlee Yvette wrote: As it should. Agreed. Jan 28 06 11:30 am Link of course, I would assume that you'd pay for quality.....that question should have been a non-issue... Jan 28 06 01:27 pm Link Julia Gerace wrote: Oh, but it is not! Jan 28 06 02:31 pm Link What about photographers who pay the models? I'm one of those! I've got some models I'm working with whom I pay any where from $50 to $600 ... then I have models who pay me nearly the same amounts. It depends on a number of factors ... like whom is going to benefit from the images, if there is lingerie or nudity involved, the purpose of the shoot, and who wants to own the copyright completely. If I want to share the usage of images in a non monetary way such as to post on free websites or in portfolios .. then that is different! I'm very much for negotiation! A new model who I have not shot with, and/or has little in her book is going to need to "TFP" with me first before I'd consider hiring her for future work that I do. It helps to be flexible because we are not all the same. Jan 28 06 02:46 pm Link I posted this with not much response. https://modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=32984 Mar 06 06 12:33 pm Link If 'New' models request to shoot with me and ask what do I charge, often times I don't. I am NOT in the business of making money off of prospective or upcoming models. That kind of money is CHUMP CHANGE! If I have time and I believe the model has promise or potential, I will agree to shoot her for FREE! This way I get to shoot instead of sitting on my ass and the potential model gets Pro Pics instead of having to deal with GWC's... Besides, I remember when I started and all the HOT Models that gave me a little of their time so that I could improve my craft. It's a way of giving back I guess but that sounds so fucking corny! It is also a way of Networking. Every model remembers her FIRST! Mar 06 06 12:43 pm Link Mar 06 06 12:47 pm Link I think that if you hier the photographer it's considered work for hier. The copy right belongs to the model in this case. But this can be quickly signed away. Take a look at wedding contracts. It stated all copy right will remain with the photographer somewhers on the contract. It's the same as if you hiered someone to paint you. You are the owner fo the copyright. You will never get moral rights to the work. All in all the laws are different from stat to state and country to country. If you have an issue, contact a lawyer in this field. I dont have a LLB so what i just typed could amount to a hill of beans Price, hard to say on this one. There is no standard. I guess photographers are going to ask what they think they can get or what they think there time is worth. I would imagine it should be like anything else. Shop around, As the consumer you can say thanks but no thanks. However, if I am paying a photographer I would expect everything, probably on a CD. Mar 06 06 12:49 pm Link Hi guys- I dont really know how to answer all of these questions but I guess I can take a stab at it. I was working in NY through agencies for about 4 years. What the agencies always told me was to not pay for shoots under any circumstances, and if the photographer really believed in you as a model that they would shoot for free as a test with the intent of mutual benefit. I am no longer with an agency in NY but want to get back into the modeling, so you can imagine my confusion when I signed on to model mayhem and got messages saying tfp or tfpcd and all of these new terms. The only ones I understand are paid work, test, and paid test. I dont really know why I'm posting this because it really isnt that helpfull but you wanted the models perspective and there you have it, lol. Hope you guys dont feel alone in the confusion, Tiki Mar 06 06 01:24 pm Link |