Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
Aren't the shooters on this site sick and tired of the constant photographer bashing threads? Bloody hell, enough already. Statements like: "I'm tired of being hit on by photographers" and "Even great photographers are perverts...." are constantly being adressed by models; I'm F-ing fed up. I have been a shooter for 13 years and am proud of what I do. I have never had any problems with the models being "too irresistable to not hit on" or having to talk them into getting naked (90% of the time... they've asked me.)... once again..... fed up. Bottom line: You people need to realize that a person (man or woman) can and will monopolize any situation to satiate their perversion. This means: Doctors, lawyers, butchers, bankes, nurses, flourist, bartenders, waste disposal people, teachers, millitary personel, fast food employees, retailers, farmers, clowns, piolots, flight attendants, Elvis impersonators .... etc. ALL have an equal abillity to to take advantage of peoples innocence and, in turn, take advantage of innocent people (sexually, financially, etc.). I understand that this is a modeling site and that the forums address our industry in general but, the negativity only alienates and drives us apart... either stop it or balance it out. Here's a trivial little idea: How about we have a thread started (by a model) thanking the great shooters on this site (of which there are a ton) for actually taking the time to work with them (through their busy schedule) as well as speak on how they got the images back fast and furious and, how happy they were with the experience... This is the norm but, unfortunately, not interesting press... Bummer. That's my rant. I'm sorry that I felt the need to put up a less than positive post but, as stated in the opening... Enough is enough.... Shooters unite!!! My first bitching post!!! Have at me (I know how you guys are!) 
Photographer
ThefStopsHere
Posts: 2387
Olympia, Washington, US
T H Taylor wrote:
Bottom line: You people need to realize that a person (man or woman) can and will monopolize any situation to satiate their perversion. This means: Doctors, lawyers, butchers, bankes, nurses, flourist, bartenders, waste disposal people, teachers, millitary personel, fast food employees, retailers, farmers, clowns, piolots, flight attendants, Elvis impersonators .... etc. ALL have an equal abillity to to take advantage of peoples innocence and, in turn, take advantage of innocent people (sexually, financially, etc.). I understand that this is a modeling site and that the forums address our industry in general but, the negativity only alienates and drives us apart... either stop it or balance it out. what the fu....??? CLOWNS???? What's next?? you'll start telling us there's no such thing as Santa Claus!!??!!
p.s.
you left out clergymen
Model
DawnElizabeth
Posts: 3907
Madison, Mississippi, US
You can hit on me. Promise. Okay, please.
Photographer
B Ellis Photography
Posts: 368
Arlington, Texas, US
T H Taylor wrote:
Aren't the shooters on this site sick and tired of the constant photographer bashing threads? Bloody hell, enough already. Statements like: "I'm tired of being hit on by photographers" and "Even great photographers are perverts...." are constantly being adressed by models; I'm F-ing fed up.
I have been a shooter for 13 years and am proud of what I do. I have never had any problems with the models being "too irresistable to not hit on" or having to talk them into getting naked (90% of the time... they've asked me.)... once again..... fed up.
Bottom line: You people need to realize that a person (man or woman) can and will monopolize any situation to satiate their perversion. This means: Doctors, lawyers, butchers, bankes, nurses, flourist, bartenders, waste disposal people, teachers, millitary personel, fast food employees, retailers, farmers, clowns, piolots, flight attendants, Elvis impersonators .... etc. ALL have an equal abillity to to take advantage of peoples innocence and, in turn, take advantage of innocent people (sexually, financially, etc.). I understand that this is a modeling site and that the forums address our industry in general but, the negativity only alienates and drives us apart... either stop it or balance it out.
Here's a trivial little idea: How about we have a thread started (by a model) thanking the great shooters on this site (of which there are a ton) for actually taking the time to work with them (through their busy schedule) as well as speak on how they got the images back fast and furious and, how happy they were with the experience... This is the norm but, unfortunately, not interesting press... Bummer.
That's my rant. I'm sorry that I felt the need to put up a less than positive post but, as stated in the opening...
Enough is enough.... Shooters unite!!!
My first bitching post!!!
Have at me (I know how you guys are!) Church...."Amen"!
Model
StacyJack
Posts: 2297
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
Ian Weintraub wrote:
what the fu....??? CLOWNS???? What's next?? you'll start telling us there's no such thing as Santa Claus!!??!!
p.s.
you left out clergymen it's true, you would never believe what they can make their 'balloon animals' into. ahhh, the joys of getting propositioned by a man with a squeeky red nose....
Photographer
ThefStopsHere
Posts: 2387
Olympia, Washington, US
DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
And Santa Claus is real. yes, he is. But it's rumored that lately, good ol' saint nick has been seen "adjusting" the girl elves' smocks in the workshop.
Model
Adrienne Aurora
Posts: 2745
Atlanta, Georgia, US
Ian Weintraub wrote:
what the fu....??? CLOWNS???? What's next?? you'll start telling us there's no such thing as Santa Claus!!??!!
p.s.
you left out clergymen Dang, you beat me. Clowns lol.
Photographer
MWPortraits
Posts: 7024
Kansas City, Missouri, US
I'm not gonna have at you at all. I totally agree. If 99.9% of the people bitching had just taken some precautions, they'd have nothing to 'warn' others about, compain about, or bitch about. Shit happen, people, and it happens more often to you if you don't pay attention to what's going on around ya. Personally, I could live the rest of my life quite happily even if I never saw another "No show model" thread again...lol
Photographer
Brian Diaz
Posts: 65617
Danbury, Connecticut, US
Model
Miss Aimee
Posts: 101
Sacramento, California, US
T H Taylor wrote:
Aren't the shooters on this site sick and tired of the constant photographer bashing threads? Bloody hell, enough already. Statements like: "I'm tired of being hit on by photographers" and "Even great photographers are perverts...." are constantly being adressed by models; I'm F-ing fed up.
I have been a shooter for 13 years and am proud of what I do. I have never had any problems with the models being "too irresistable to not hit on" or having to talk them into getting naked (90% of the time... they've asked me.)... once again..... fed up.
Bottom line: You people need to realize that a person (man or woman) can and will monopolize any situation to satiate their perversion. This means: Doctors, lawyers, butchers, bankes, nurses, flourist, bartenders, waste disposal people, teachers, millitary personel, fast food employees, retailers, farmers, clowns, piolots, flight attendants, Elvis impersonators .... etc. ALL have an equal abillity to to take advantage of peoples innocence and, in turn, take advantage of innocent people (sexually, financially, etc.). I understand that this is a modeling site and that the forums address our industry in general but, the negativity only alienates and drives us apart... either stop it or balance it out.
Here's a trivial little idea: How about we have a thread started (by a model) thanking the great shooters on this site (of which there are a ton) for actually taking the time to work with them (through their busy schedule) as well as speak on how they got the images back fast and furious and, how happy they were with the experience... This is the norm but, unfortunately, not interesting press... Bummer.
That's my rant. I'm sorry that I felt the need to put up a less than positive post but, as stated in the opening...
Enough is enough.... Shooters unite!!!
My first bitching post!!!
Have at me (I know how you guys are!) PSTTT! Heres a little thank you coming in .3.2.1.
....
THANK YOU PHOTOGRAPHERS
Seriously though I see where you are coming from. Photographers NEED LOVE TOO!!!!!!!
Model
StacyJack
Posts: 2297
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
Photographer
Glamour Boulevard
Posts: 8628
Sacramento, California, US
DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
And Santa Claus is real. Hey now!
Photographer
LongWindFPV Visuals
Posts: 7052
Las Vegas, Nevada, US
T H Taylor wrote:
Aren't the shooters on this site sick and tired of the constant photographer bashing threads? Bloody hell, enough already. I felt the same way as you and did a little ranting of my own in a sick, twisted, perverted, looney tunes kind of way.
https://modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=25577
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
Miss Aimee wrote:
PSTTT! Heres a little thank you coming in .3.2.1.
....
THANK YOU PHOTOGRAPHERS
Seriously though I see where you are coming from. Photographers NEED LOVE TOO!!!!!!! Yay!!!! Thank you Miss Aimee!!! YaY
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
You can hit on me. Promise. Okay, please. Uhh.... What's your sign??
Photographer
kickfight
Posts: 35054
Portland, Oregon, US
T H Taylor wrote:
Aren't the shooters on this site sick and tired of the constant photographer bashing threads? No. In fact, I'm not one bit surprised. I hear this all the time from models I work with. I may not have a fancy set-up, and I may not have a portfolio of amazing yet generic images, and I may not posture and pontificate on the forums about everyone else being a GWC, but I DO have the confidence of knowing that NO-ONE will ever slag me off as a sleaze or a pervert or an abuser of people. And my business is a FETISH site.
I can safely say that 99% of the models I've worked with would work with me again without question, and would consider the work they did fun and engaging (or, if nothing else, somewhat weird but harmless). And yet each and every one of the career models I've worked with have a number (not one, not two, but a whole mess) of horror stories concerning so-called 'professional photographers' who seemingly have honed their skills to be able to get close to their real objective: having attractive women in their periphery, in their space, where they are in control.
T H Taylor wrote:
Bottom line: You people need to realize that a person (man or woman) can and will monopolize any situation to satiate their perversion. This means: Doctors, lawyers, butchers, bankes, nurses, flourist, bartenders, waste disposal people, teachers, millitary personel, fast food employees, retailers, farmers, clowns, piolots, flight attendants, Elvis impersonators .... etc. ALL have an equal abillity to to take advantage of peoples innocence and, in turn, take advantage of innocent people (sexually, financially, etc.). This is true. However, with the exception of doctors, none of the above place a woman in a vulnerable situation where she has to weigh doing something she feels uncomfortable with because someone is 'recommending' it. You're trying to make a lite generalization about something that is very close to the top of the peeve list for MANY women.
T H Taylor wrote:
I understand that this is a modeling site and that the forums address our industry in general but, the negativity only alienates and drives us apart... either stop it or balance it out. Um, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for either. One is called censorship, the other is called blaming the victim, mmmmkay?
T H Taylor wrote:
Here's a trivial little idea: How about we have a thread started (by a model) thanking the great shooters on this site (of which there are a ton) for actually taking the time to work with them (through their busy schedule) as well as speak on how they got the images back fast and furious and, how happy they were with the experience... This is the norm but, unfortunately, not interesting press... Bummer. To assuage someone's fragile ego? To redress some imaginary imbalance? HELL NO. Again, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any of this if I were you. Kudos are a bonus you earn by your professionalism and your ethos, not an entitlement that you can just demand whenever you want it.
Photographer
Zion Imaging
Posts: 890
Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, US
DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
You can hit on me. Promise. Okay, please. You never told me that!
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
kickfight wrote:
T H Taylor wrote:
Aren't the shooters on this site sick and tired of the constant photographer bashing threads? No. In fact, I'm not one bit surprised. I hear this all the time from models I work with. I may not have a fancy set-up, and I may not have a portfolio of amazing yet generic images, and I may not posture and pontificate on the forums about everyone else being a GWC, but I DO have the confidence of knowing that NO-ONE will ever slag me off as a sleaze or a pervert or an abuser of people. And my business is a FETISH site.
I can safely say that 99% of the models I've worked with would work with me again without question, and would consider the work they did fun and engaging (or, if nothing else, somewhat weird but harmless). And yet each and every one of the career models I've worked with have a number (not one, not two, but a whole mess) of horror stories concerning so-called 'professional photographers' who seemingly have honed their skills to be able to get close to their real objective: having attractive women in their periphery, in their space, where they are in control.
T H Taylor wrote:
Bottom line: You people need to realize that a person (man or woman) can and will monopolize any situation to satiate their perversion. This means: Doctors, lawyers, butchers, bankes, nurses, flourist, bartenders, waste disposal people, teachers, millitary personel, fast food employees, retailers, farmers, clowns, piolots, flight attendants, Elvis impersonators .... etc. ALL have an equal abillity to to take advantage of peoples innocence and, in turn, take advantage of innocent people (sexually, financially, etc.). This is true. However, with the exception of doctors, none of the above place a woman in a vulnerable situation where she has to weigh doing something she feels uncomfortable with because someone is 'recommending' it. You're trying to make a lite generalization about something that is very close to the top of the peeve list for MANY women.
T H Taylor wrote:
I understand that this is a modeling site and that the forums address our industry in general but, the negativity only alienates and drives us apart... either stop it or balance it out. Um, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for either. One is called censorship, the other is called blaming the victim, mmmmkay?
To assuage someone's fragile ego? To redress some imaginary imbalance? HELL NO. Again, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any of this if I were you. Kudos are a bonus, not an entitlement. I would love to do that "quote section" thing but, unfortunately, my computer skills are pathetic and limited... Sorry!
I'll just have to say that you made some valid points that are well stated... But I disagree with you. Women, and people, especially those that stroll through life with blinders on, are just as vulnerable to any sort of manipulation as a model is in the hands of a photographer. How about a person that installs security? DSL installers, College professors (the list is endless).
Anyway, Models know what they are getting into (excluding children) and do not need to be codelled (sp?) or protected; if they do not take the proper precautions....
Anyway, thanks for the response!
Model
StacyJack
Posts: 2297
New Orleans, Louisiana, US
coddled. by the way I compleatly (sp-1) agree with you. I'm very careful of who I work with, so I've never had a problem, thus never had to bash anyone. But the guy thats fixing my transmission right now almost took me for 1500 dollars extra. Ive got my eye on him now!
Photographer
HypOnlineMedia
Posts: 63
Clearwater, Florida, US
You forgot insurance adjusters in your list. And deli workers. Cut that meat! Cut that meat!
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
Hypnotics World wrote:
You forgot insurance adjusters in your list. And deli workers. Cut that meat! Cut that meat! Damn those insurance adjusters!!!!! Trust me, the last time I needed them... They screwed me royally!!
Photographer
Valkyrur
Posts: 1187
Nelsonville, New York, US
Sorry ... but photographers SUCK (images .. )
Photographer
kickfight
Posts: 35054
Portland, Oregon, US
T H Taylor wrote:
I would love to do that "quote section" thing but, unfortunately, my computer skills are pathetic and limited... Sorry! Oh! Hey. We can totally turn this around, then!
When you hit the 'quote' link from a message, and get the 'Reply' text area (which has the original poster's quote in one section above, separated by bracketed signifiers), simply identify the place in the Original Poster's quoted text where YOU'D like to have the first quoted section END. In essence, you're editing the original quote into bite size sections that begin and end wherever you see fit.
Then, put your cursor at the end of the target sentence, and hit the space bar a number of times to give yourself some room for your comments... by doing this, you're essentially pushing the rest of the OP's quote down the text area.
At the END of the isolated quote section you just created, enter a right-pointing square bracket (this guy: [ ) enter a forward-slash (this guy: / ) and then enter the word quote. Then enter a left-pointing square bracket (this guy: ] ). This assumes that the TOP of the isolated quote section still has the signifier for the START of a quote block (usually the word 'quote', followed by a 'equals' sign, and the name of the Original Poster, bracketed as described above). You always get one start quote signifier for 'free' at the top of the original quote when you choose to reply with 'quote'.
Simply write your comments after this isolated quote section. Ta-da! Your message will show a section of isolated quote followed by your comment. Unless you're done, DON'T hit the "Reply!" button yet.
Repeat the same thing for the remainder of the OP's original quote text. Identify the place YOU want the quoted section to start, and preface the first word of the first sentence with a copy-n-paste of (or manually type) the start quote signifier. Rule of thumb: the start quote signifier always has the Original Poster's screen-name in it. The end quote signifier just 'closes' the quote block.
Keep in mind that you will still have a 'dangling' end quote signifier at the very end of the text area (it's the end quote signifier you got for free when you chose to do a reply in the first place). Edit away!
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
kickfight wrote:
Oh! Hey. We can totally turn this around, then!
When you hit the 'quote' link from a message, and get the 'Reply' text area (which has the original poster's quote in one section above, separated by bracketed signifiers), simply identify the place in the Original Poster's quoted text where YOU'D like to have the first quoted section END. In essence, you're editing the original quote into bite size sections that begin and end wherever you see fit.
Then, put your cursor at the end of the target sentence, and hit the space bar a number of times to give yourself some room for your comments... by doing this, you're essentially pushing the rest of the OP's quote down the text area.
At the END of the isolated quote section you just created, enter a right-pointing square bracket (this guy: [ ) enter a forward-slash (this guy: / ) and then enter the word quote. Then enter a left-pointing square bracket (this guy: ] ). This assumes that the TOP of the isolated quote section still has the signifier for the START of a quote block (usually the word 'quote', followed by a 'equals' sign, and the name of the Original Poster). You always get this signifier for 'free' when you choose to reply with 'quote'.
Simply write your comments after this isolated quote section. Ta-da! Your message will show a section of isolated quote followed by your comment. Unless you're done, DON'T hit the "Reply!" button yet.
Repeat the same thing for the remainder of the OP's original quote text. Identify the place YOU want the quoted section to start, and preface the first word of the first sentence with a copy-n-paste of (or manually type) the start quote signifier. Rule of thumb: the start quote signifier always has the Original Poster's screen-name in it. The end quote signifier just 'closes' the quote block.
Keep in mind that you will still have a 'dangling' end quote signifier at the very end of the text area (it's the one you got for free when you chose to do a reply in the first place). Edit away!
You have no idea how long it I've been wanting to know how to do this but (much like asking my girlfriend if I'm good in bed) was afraid to ask!! Okay, I'll have to print this and keep it on file to study.
Thanks so much!
P.S. Sorry my respnses aren't as interesting as "Chilli's;" I enjoyed that thread and was saddened by it's demise!
Model
Jackalin
Posts: 485
Holiday, Florida, US
You are so right. I have always been what most would call attractive. And I have had many different jobs and at each one I have found both good men and harasser's. I fined this to be true in all walks of life. Unfortunately people tend to talk about there negative experiences much more than the positive ones. Chalk it up to morbid human interest. How ever, I have a shoot On Wednesday and I'm already sure it is going to be a great experience! And I will post accordingly:)
Photographer
kickfight
Posts: 35054
Portland, Oregon, US
T H Taylor wrote:
You have no idea how long it I've been wanting to know how to do this but (much like asking my girlfriend if I'm good in bed) was afraid to ask!! Okay, I'll have to print this and keep it on file to study.
Thanks so much! As I'm sure you'll find out from your girlfriend, just bringing up a subject can brighten up a day more than you could imagine!
Glad I could provide some useful info, and let me know if any of this seems wonky or doesn't perform as advertised!
T H Taylor wrote:
P.S. Sorry my respnses aren't as interesting as "Chilli's;" I enjoyed that thread and was saddened by it's demise! You didn't play the egomaniac trip. You didn't have your masculinity challenged by my reply. You didn't play the 'compensate with bluster for other shortcomings' game like.... yeah, others who have been identified herein.
You replied not only like a man, but like a gentleman. Gentlemen can disagree and yet can share worthwhile information with each other. Gentlemen can show temperament without throwing tantrums. Gentlemen can accept there's room for many opinions.
So, thanks, T.H., for being a gentleman to another gentleman.
Photographer
James Jackson Fashion
Posts: 11132
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US
DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
You can hit on me. Promise. Okay, please. Your camera or mine Dawn?
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
Jackalin wrote:
You are so right. I have always been what most would call attractive. And I have had many different jobs and at each one I have found both good men and harasser's. I fined this to be true in all walks of life. Unfortunately people tend to talk about there negative experiences much more than the positive ones. Chalk it up to morbid human interest. How ever, I have a shoot On Wednesday and I'm already sure it is going to be a great experience! And I will post accordingly:) Good luck on your shoot Jackalin!
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
kickfight wrote:
As I'm sure you'll find out from your girlfriend, just bringing up a subject can brighten up a day more than you could imagine!
Glad I could provide some useful info, and let me know if any of this seems wonky or doesn't perform as advertised!
You didn't play the egomaniac trip. You didn't have your masculinity challenged by my reply. You didn't play the 'compensate with bluster for other shortcomings' game like.... yeah, others who have been identified herein.
You replied not only like a man, but like a gentleman. Gentlemen can disagree and yet can share worthwhile information with each other. Gentlemen can show temperament without throwing tantrums. Gentlemen can accept there's room for many opinions.
So, thanks, T.H., for being a gentleman to another gentleman. Obviously, haven't put your help post into effect yet... I neet to practice!
Anyway, two things: thanks for the Gentleman compliment... "I said good day Sir! (Gentlemen disagreeing!)
Second: Love the word "wonky" and use it frequently (to the humour and dismay of my friends.)... Spend some time in the UK did you??
Photographer
Hamza
Posts: 7791
New York, New York, US
T H Taylor wrote:
You have no idea how long it I've been wanting to know how to do this but (much like asking my girlfriend if I'm good in bed) was afraid to ask!! Okay, I'll have to print this and keep it on file to study.
Thanks so much! Don't be afraid to ask!!! It's only human not to know everything...
Dude, if you have to ask your girlfriend, there's obviously a problem! So ask her before she leaves you for a GWC just to piss you off!!! Nothing wrong with wanting to improve ones sex life...
Model
Sascha
Posts: 2217
Tokyo, Tokyo, Japan
I completely understand where the original poster is coming from, but unfortunately, sexual harrassment and forced rape DO happen in this industry (as well as other industries... just that MM is primarily about our industry) and there's nothing wrong with fellow models in the MM community trying to warn others about any perverted or potentially dangerous photographers they've met or worked with.
the major factor that's contributing to this is that our industry often times puts a model in an enclosed room (studio) with a photographer (usually not a friend, often times just got to know or stranger) or required to travel to a remote location (beach, desert, parking lot you name it). Often times it is deemed inappropriate by photographers when a model brings an escort so she goes alone, and especially in shoots set up on sites as MM, the shoot often is a testshoot or a TFP and some photographers do not have an MUA/stylist present. And, often times when sexual harrassment or rape attempt does happen, the model does not really have anything to prove, and sometimes the law enforcers just shrug off such complaints by arguing that since the model willingly went to the studio/location with this photographer=stranger, it indicates the model's consent and thus she already has a weak case to start with.
I can also see why there tends to be more photographer-bashing threads by a female model because photographers are predominantly male, and there are more female models than males : (
having said that, there IS a thank-you thread on MM right now, to which I participated & sent my gratitude to all the great photogs and crew I've worked with : ) I myself have never had a single case of harrassment/sexual abuse by a photographer to this date, and hopefully I will continue to make clever decisions on whom I work with and I will continue to meet great photographers.
Photographer
Monsante Bey
Posts: 2111
Columbus, Georgia, US
Hypnotics World wrote:
You forgot insurance adjusters in your list. And deli workers. Cut that meat! Cut that meat! I wonder if they'll still be making those commercials now that the golden boy is once again watching the Super Bowl from his couch.
Model
Ehn Tee
Posts: 52
Detroit Beach, Michigan, US
There's a lot of negativity on these forums lately...Always someone bitching about something around here!! Photographer's being pervs, bashing quality of work on whether you photoshop or not, models lying....lets try to get over it
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
Sascha wrote:
I completely understand where the original poster is coming from, but unfortunately, sexual harrassment and forced rape DO happen in this industry (as well as other industries... just that MM is primarily about our industry) and there's nothing wrong with fellow models in the MM community trying to warn others about any perverted or potentially dangerous photographers they've met or worked with.
the major factor that's contributing to this is that our industry often times puts a model in an enclosed room (studio) with a photographer (usually not a friend, often times just got to know or stranger) or required to travel to a remote location (beach, desert, parking lot you name it). Often times it is deemed inappropriate by photographers when a model brings an escort so she goes alone, and especially in shoots set up on sites as MM, the shoot often is a testshoot or a TFP and some photographers do not have an MUA/stylist present. And, often times when sexual harrassment or rape attempt does happen, the model does not really have anything to prove, and sometimes the law enforcers just shrug off such complaints by arguing that since the model willingly went to the studio/location with this photographer=stranger, it indicates the model's consent and thus she already has a weak case to start with.
I can also see why there tends to be more photographer-bashing threads by a female model because photographers are predominantly male, and there are more female models than males : (
having said that, there IS a thank-you thread on MM right now, to which I participated & sent my gratitude to all the great photogs and crew I've worked with : ) I myself have never had a single case of harrassment/sexual abuse by a photographer to this date, and hopefully I will continue to make clever decisions on whom I work with and I will continue to meet great photographers. Sascha, thanks fo the post!
First, understand that i am well aware of the fact that there are pervys in our industry... My point is: We are not children. We should be VERY concious that yes, being alone or in a remote situation with anyone is potentially hazerdous thus. we should take it upon ourselves to be more resopnsible for our own safety. If you are the type of model that feels vulnerable when being alone with a strange, new shooter... You should bring an escort anyway (regardless of the shooters feelings). I know that some photogs don't like the escort thing but, once again, it's your duty to look out for your safety and, if they don't dig the esort being there, this is obviously not the best shooter for you so, leave..... The end. Me, personally, I don't give a damn if the model wants to bring Jesus Christ out lord as an escort... I'll have him white card for me (Can you imagine the wonderful back lighting he could create?!? ).
Basically, I started this thread because it is becoming so common place for models to bitch and moan about photographers( on and off of this site) without sitting back and realizing this: The norm is fun, healthy, comfortable creation of a product (art) in which both parties usually end up happy (but you never, especially these days, hear about that and, I was getting a bit fed up.).
Well that's it! Once again, thanks for posting and your thought were greatly appreciated!!
Resolve: Consequently, Thanks to Adrienne for starting the "thanks" thread (dedicated to me, Hot Toddy" I might add! Whoo hoo!) How ever, it still disturbs me that the "Pro shooters who are pervys" and the "watch out for this guy" threads have two to three times more post than the thanks thread...
Puts things in perspective, don't it?
Photographer
T H Taylor
Posts: 6862
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, US
Nadin wrote:
There's a lot of negativity on these forums lately...Always someone bitching about something around here!! Photographer's being pervs, bashing quality of work on whether you photoshop or not, models lying....lets try to get over it Damn skippy!
Photographer
ELANFOTOS
Posts: 676
Miami, Florida, US
DawnElizabeth Moderator wrote:
You can hit on me. Promise. Okay, please. so whats a nice girl like you, doing in a place like this?
uhhh...
whats your sign?
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