ARTform Images wrote:
That is classic. What a waste of such beautiful talent. If I had that chance I wouldn't make that mistake. Look on the bright side atleast it wasn't your wedding day. I had a photo friend of mine charge $3500 for a wedding and all 800 hundred images were all black from the waste up. He didn't have his camera flash synced correctly.
Are you coming to Cali anytime soon. ; )

Chris

That sounds like a lawsuit in the making

BCG wrote:
i hope she got a kiss out of the deal...cuz she got f*cked.

If she thinks she got a good deal, she did.

Jay Bowman wrote:
As to the slow shutter speed, I shot my avatar somewhere below a tenth of a second.  When you're determined to shoot in low light, a tripod and a cable release can be your best friend...

AMEN Brotha Jay Preach On!

FreddyB wrote:

handheld at Auto, ISO 100, Shutter Speed 1/3 seconds?? technically questionable....... 

yeah it doesn't add it up. it seems maybe the lighting was too low -- if 1/3 speed is true. and 700+ pics doesn't seem like film. and in auto, if the lighting was low, the camera might not be able to focus, besides being handheld at that shutter speed.

Pat Thielen wrote:
Or was he using flash lights (I've seen it done)?
I have to dig up some shots I did a few years ago with a model laying still in the dark. I opened the shutter on a tripod and started painting her in with colored flashlights.

We shot on some highly saturated slide film and most exposures sucked. Some were really interesting. A couple were really cool.

Thanks for bringing it up. Now that I can do the same thing digital...Please understand what I say when I ask... "Any beautiful women want to lay around in the dark with me?"

Hmmmmmmmmmm...I did this with a small flashlight & very still model:

DRowan wrote:

Hmmmmmmmmmm...I did this with a small flashlight & very still model:

Very nice! I'm impressed.

  -P-

DRowan wrote:

Hmmmmmmmmmm...I did this with a small flashlight & very still model:

This reminds me of another trick. In bulb mode, have the model write their name or something in the air with a flash light. At the very end, flash a strobe. I have some pics from a long time ago, I will have to try and find them. should be done in complete darkness. I wonder if it would work with a laser?

Jack North wrote:

This reminds me of another trick. In bulb mode, have the model write their name or something in the air with a flash light. At the very end, flash a strobe. I have some pics from a long time ago, I will have to try and find them. should be done in complete darkness. I wonder if it would work with a laser?

Try filtering your flashlights and paint with different colors. Highlight certain areas. My best shots were when the model was laying. I used total darkness and some fairly weak lights and let them saturate. I got some REALLY colorful results that were pretty interesting.

I'm going to go find a naked girl...

... to be continued ...

Bethany Gilbert Photo wrote:

Umm... I think someone already said this... but how can it be on auto if the iso and shutter speed are set?  Maybe shutter priority?

I thought it was just me thinking that..lol

RobHowardStudios wrote:

Try filtering your flashlights and paint with different colors. Highlight certain areas. My best shots were when the model was laying. I used total darkness and some fairly weak lights and let them saturate. I got some REALLY colorful results that were pretty interesting.

I'm going to go find a naked girl...

... to be continued ...

just remember -- don't fly someone in at their own expense and use a tripod.

SexyJena wrote:
For those that wonder about the technical details, here's the EXIF, if you don’t understand them, you probably don’t understand how ISO is set in auto mode. The images where shot by modeling light cause the photographer couldn’t find his pocket wizard to trigger the flash.

Make - Canon
Model - Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 180
YResolution - 180
ResolutionUnit - Inch
DateTime - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
YCbCrPositioning - Centered
ExifOffset - 196
ExposureTime - 1/3.3 seconds
FNumber - 4.00
ISOSpeedRatings - 100
ExifVersion - 0221
DateTimeOriginal - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
DateTimeDigitized - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
CompressedBitsPerPixel - 3 (bits/pixel)
ShutterSpeedValue - 1/3 seconds
ApertureValue - F 4.00
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 4.00
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
Flash - Not fired
FocalLength - 27 mm
UserComment -
FlashPixVersion - 0100
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 3072
ExifImageHeight - 2048
InteroperabilityOffset - 2366
FocalPlaneXResolution - 3443.95
FocalPlaneYResolution - 3442.02
FocalPlaneResolutionUnit - Inch
SensingMethod - One-chip color area sensor
FileSource - DSC - Digital still camera
CustomRendered - Normal process
ExposureMode - Auto
WhiteBalance - Auto
SceneCaptureType - Standard
Maker Note (Vendor): -
Macro mode - Off
Self timer - Off
Quality - Fine
Flash mode - Not fired
Sequence mode - Single or Timer
Focus mode - AI Focus
Image size - Large
Easy shooting mode - Manual
Digital zoom - None
Contrast - High, +1
Saturation - High, +1
Sharpness - High, +1
ISO Value - 100
Metering mode - Evaluative
Focus type - Auto
AF point selected -
Exposure mode - Program
Focal length - 18 - 55 mm (1 mm)
Flash activity - Not fired
Flash details -
Focus mode 2 - 65535
White Balance - Auto
Sequence number - 0
Flash bias - 0.00 EV
Subject Distance - 77
Image Type - IMG:EOS DIGITAL REBEL JPEG
Firmware Version - Firmware Version 1.1.1

Amazing. Who on earth shoots with everything in Auto!?

The only professionals I know of who shoot that way are sports photographers with super-fast auto-focus lenses because they need to capture things so fast, they have no choice.

But shooting with a model and everything is on Auto? Weird.

Personally, I often shoot with everything on manual except Exposure Priortiy and allow the camera to pick the shutter speed. But I even feel guilty of being some lame hack when I do THAT.

Jack North wrote:

This reminds me of another trick. In bulb mode, have the model write their name or something in the air with a flash light. At the very end, flash a strobe. I have some pics from a long time ago, I will have to try and find them. should be done in complete darkness. I wonder if it would work with a laser?

If the air is very clear, you won't get much, if any, of the beam shining in mid-air. Depending on what you had in mind, this might take the fun out your laser idea. If you have fog or smoke effects happening, you can see the beam in the haze. Of course, the model could use the laser to write her name on a nearby white wall, and the camera would record the laser's reflection from the wall.

take care,
Glen

Glen Berry wrote:

If the air is very clear, you won't get much, if any, of the beam shining in mid-air. Depending on what you had in mind, this might take the fun out your laser idea. If you have fog or smoke effects happening, you can see the beam in the haze. Of course, the model could use the laser to write her name on a nearby white wall, and the camera would record the laser's reflection from the wall.

take care,
Glen

sorry to Jena for causing the sub-topic on her thread, but what about in clear air, running a laser over the model, do anyone think the model shape would be visible -- kindof like a matrix thing?

SexyJena wrote:
I am responding to my original post due to so much confusion and a lot of emails and instant messages regarding how/why this happened….

First, I did not shoot with a GWC. I did not pick a crappy photographer. He is a published photographer that has over 45 Showcase images on omp, which would appear to most that he would know what he is doing. We agreed to work together (TFCD) in order to get the images published in several magazines – a win-win situation for both of us. The photographer DID pay for my hotel room. Out of the 700  images, about 20 were salvageable. I did not post the worst pic. And I will not "out" the photographer. Upon returning home and crying when I saw the images, I could just see the whole situation playing out like a MasterCard commercial gone bad.

For those that wonder about the technical details, here's the EXIF, if you don’t understand them, you probably don’t understand how ISO is set in auto mode. The images where shot by modeling light cause the photographer couldn’t find his pocket wizard to trigger the flash.


Make - Canon
Model - Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 180
YResolution - 180
ResolutionUnit - Inch
DateTime - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
YCbCrPositioning - Centered
ExifOffset - 196
ExposureTime - 1/3.3 seconds
FNumber - 4.00
ISOSpeedRatings - 100
ExifVersion - 0221
DateTimeOriginal - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
DateTimeDigitized - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
CompressedBitsPerPixel - 3 (bits/pixel)
ShutterSpeedValue - 1/3 seconds
ApertureValue - F 4.00
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 4.00
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
Flash - Not fired
FocalLength - 27 mm
UserComment -
FlashPixVersion - 0100
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 3072
ExifImageHeight - 2048
InteroperabilityOffset - 2366
FocalPlaneXResolution - 3443.95
FocalPlaneYResolution - 3442.02
FocalPlaneResolutionUnit - Inch
SensingMethod - One-chip color area sensor
FileSource - DSC - Digital still camera
CustomRendered - Normal process
ExposureMode - Auto
WhiteBalance - Auto
SceneCaptureType - Standard
Maker Note (Vendor): -
Macro mode - Off
Self timer - Off
Quality - Fine
Flash mode - Not fired
Sequence mode - Single or Timer
Focus mode - AI Focus
Image size - Large
Easy shooting mode - Manual
Digital zoom - None
Contrast - High,  1
Saturation - High,  1
Sharpness - High,  1
ISO Value - 100
Metering mode - Evaluative
Focus type - Auto
AF point selected -
Exposure mode - Program
Focal length - 18 - 55 mm (1 mm)
Flash activity - Not fired
Flash details -
Focus mode 2 - 65535
White Balance - Auto
Sequence number - 0
Flash bias - 0.00 EV
Subject Distance - 77
Image Type - IMG:EOS DIGITAL REBEL JPEG
Firmware Version - Firmware Version 1.1.1

Well most and not all strobe/flashes have a internal slave.........pocket wizard aside he couldve triggered the flash/strobe with the Rebels pop up flash and diffused it with a white balloon or tape. A self timer with a pop up flash from the camera wouldve set off the strobe/flash from its slave. A tripod or sturdy flat surface is strongly recommended. Auto ISO has its points but not at 100 on this shot . The shot needed to be at least 200 ISO. It went below 1/60th of a second at F4 which means that room and the lighting was dark as hell to the camera. I would think F2.8 at the least 200ISO

IMHO published photog or not this was technically a bad shot period. The pose and angle are strong however. If it was me it wouldve been in the recycle bin before it was given to the model.

This is one of the few  reasons why I look over proofs before I give it to the model. I hope he was ok with you showing this to everyone....

Jack North wrote:
This reminds me of another trick. In bulb mode, have the model write their name or something in the air with a flash light. At the very end, flash a strobe. I have some pics from a long time ago, I will have to try and find them. should be done in complete darkness. I wonder if it would work with a laser?

Scanned from a 25 year-old Tri-X negative from my college photo class days:



I have long forgotten the details of how I did this, but it must have been something like you describe.

SexyJena wrote:
The images where shot by modeling light cause the photographer couldn’t find his pocket wizard to trigger the flash.

Did he check his pocket

SexyJena wrote:
DateTime - 1980:01:01 00:00:01

Theres the problem. He was using an outdated camera

SexyJena wrote:
I am responding to my original post due to so much confusion and a lot of emails and instant messages regarding how/why this happened….

First, I did not shoot with a GWC. I did not pick a crappy photographer. He is a published photographer that has over 45 Showcase images on OMP, which would appear to most that he would know what he is doing. We agreed to work together (TFCD) in order to get the images published in several magazines – a win-win situation for both of us. The photographer DID pay for my hotel room. Out of the 700+ images, about 20 were salvageable. I did not post the worst pic. And I will not "out" the photographer. Upon returning home and crying when I saw the images, I could just see the whole situation playing out like a MasterCard commercial gone bad.

For those that wonder about the technical details, here's the EXIF, if you don’t understand them, you probably don’t understand how ISO is set in auto mode. The images where shot by modeling light cause the photographer couldn’t find his pocket wizard to trigger the flash.


Make - Canon
Model - Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 180
YResolution - 180
ResolutionUnit - Inch
DateTime - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
YCbCrPositioning - Centered
ExifOffset - 196
ExposureTime - 1/3.3 seconds
FNumber - 4.00
ISOSpeedRatings - 100
ExifVersion - 0221
DateTimeOriginal - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
DateTimeDigitized - 1980:01:01 00:00:01
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
CompressedBitsPerPixel - 3 (bits/pixel)
ShutterSpeedValue - 1/3 seconds
ApertureValue - F 4.00
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 4.00
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
Flash - Not fired
FocalLength - 27 mm
UserComment -
FlashPixVersion - 0100
ColorSpace - sRGB
ExifImageWidth - 3072
ExifImageHeight - 2048
InteroperabilityOffset - 2366
FocalPlaneXResolution - 3443.95
FocalPlaneYResolution - 3442.02
FocalPlaneResolutionUnit - Inch
SensingMethod - One-chip color area sensor
FileSource - DSC - Digital still camera
CustomRendered - Normal process
ExposureMode - Auto
WhiteBalance - Auto
SceneCaptureType - Standard
Maker Note (Vendor): -
Macro mode - Off
Self timer - Off
Quality - Fine
Flash mode - Not fired
Sequence mode - Single or Timer
Focus mode - AI Focus
Image size - Large
Easy shooting mode - Manual
Digital zoom - None
Contrast - High, +1
Saturation - High, +1
Sharpness - High, +1
ISO Value - 100
Metering mode - Evaluative
Focus type - Auto
AF point selected -
Exposure mode - Program
Focal length - 18 - 55 mm (1 mm)
Flash activity - Not fired
Flash details -
Focus mode 2 - 65535
White Balance - Auto
Sequence number - 0
Flash bias - 0.00 EV
Subject Distance - 77
Image Type - IMG:EOS DIGITAL REBEL JPEG
Firmware Version - Firmware Version 1.1.1

Craig Thomson wrote:
I'm so sorry Jena.....

Was this all shot on one of those film camera thingies?
Why did it take so long to realize how far off his damn images were? I'm not saying digital is fool proof, but at least you can see after a couple of shots that your dick is stuck in your zipper and adjustments need to be made.

It wouldn't have mattered if it was film or digital...shooting hand held at 1/3 of a second would've given anyone motion blur even with the highest priced cameras on the market.  A tripod would've helped, but then the model has to be perfectly still as well.  Also, I've tried out several digital cameras and found that proofing on the back screen will cause you to loose more shots if you're being lazy and only using that gauge your work. 

As for me, well, I still shoot with that "Film camera thingy", as you call it.  I know my lenses, and I know how they affect the film that I'm shooting.  In fact, I did a whole series of night shots, using only existing streetlights, and found I had more success with film than with the digital camera. 

Let's face it, if the final product sucks, it's NOT the camera's fault.  You could put the same camera that was used for Jena's shot in the hands of a better photographer and I'd bet anything that she would've gotten better shots.  Think about it....How many times have you been to a party or a reception, and a family member hands you their camera and says, "Here, you take it.  You're a better photographer than I am." ?  Doesn't happen as often (if ever) on model/photographer sites.

Ultimately, he WAS in fact using one them thar new fangled contraptions called a ...whut?...a DEE-GEE-TAIL REBEL??  I might be ig'nant fo' still using that ol' films stuff, but I'ma' bettin' I coulda' sho' nuff shot it ok with ma' ol' brownie box camera.