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Wait time on receiving images TFP..how long??
I've had a recent issue come up that made me want to post this question. I have been modeling for some time now and do very limited TFP with select photographers. I've had almost no problems in the past receiving images in an appropriate amount of time. I am aware that the editing process can sometimes take a bit of time after photos have been selected so my question is mostly related to the raw images...So models and photographers what do you feel is the appropriate wait time on being able to view simple raw unedited proofs? Thanks guys! Nov 26 05 10:25 am Link 2 years. Nov 26 05 10:39 am Link I can't help you out because I have that problem as well. I want to know the polite way to phrase "I haven't recieved my images- WTF??" Nov 26 05 10:40 am Link MHana wrote:
Nov 26 05 10:40 am Link adrienne of Zswana wrote: Okay, okay, I have a pinched nerve headache. Nov 26 05 10:44 am Link if shooters are so dang set on snitching on gals who flake, why dont models start posting reports on shooters who fail to deliver the goods. Nov 26 05 10:44 am Link BCG wrote: aww, maybe models aren't meanies like that. Nov 26 05 10:47 am Link BCG wrote: ...because there are always two sides of the story...and models are smart enough to know that. Nov 26 05 10:49 am Link adrienne of Zswana wrote: That's really a shame! I'm sure other models can relate as well...plus I'm from a small town so I travel to most of my shoots..I'm out a good deal of money and time for travel expenses which makes it worse being put off about my pictures..Even when I ask upfrount what the turn around time will be and of course have been lied to... in the past I've actually had a cd burned for me the day of the shoot or have promptly received it in the mail 3 or 4 days later..Looks like my luck finally ran out.... Nov 26 05 10:50 am Link But don't you think that after a month that the photog has moved onto other projects and forgotten about older editing? Especially when new work is still showing up on his page. Nov 26 05 10:53 am Link It totally varies. I have shot with some who return (email) edited images within a day or two but have yet to receive a cd. Those who haven't sent a cd yet remain in constant communication which is fine by me. They are also so amazing that it's well worth the wait and I understand they are busy. As long as they communicate with me I feel as though I'm not forgotten : ) Nov 26 05 10:54 am Link It really varies with the photographer. The longest I've waited was about a month--almost two. It didn't bug me though since I had changed my hair style two days after shooting those pictures. *shrug* Nov 26 05 10:56 am Link adrienne of Zswana wrote: EXACTLY! Nov 26 05 10:56 am Link more information on the topic. TFP, 4 months past, no images. Next step? https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=17075 TFP Issues https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=17224 related "No show" status https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=17884 no-show models...any thoughts https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=16800 Not giving photos after a shoot... https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=14084 Another take on TFP/CD https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=17268 Paying for TFP? https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=17250 search for tfp https://www.modelmayhem.com/search.php? … mit=Search How to protect my images without having negatives. https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=4816 Legal recourse: photog hasn't delivered images https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=9132 What quality images for TFCD? https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=5359 Should Models be Allowed to Edit Images https://www.modelmayhem.com/posts.php?thread_id=1425 The making of the links is not a judgement on the question or the thread. But sometimes a collection of information is a good thing. Nov 26 05 10:59 am Link MHana wrote: And haven't you been soooooooooooooooo kind by collecting that for me! Nov 26 05 12:10 pm Link Lauren F. wrote: The terms should be worked out before the shoot. Nov 26 05 12:11 pm Link adrienne of Zswana wrote: No, actually. I owe two models CDs currently, but they already have web-sized jpegs and I have the sizing and spotting to do on the large scans. In the mean time I've moved to another specific project, but that's not what's interfering with the finishing of the big scans. Nov 26 05 12:18 pm Link I think you should be able to view the images right after you're done shooting. I always allow time for that. In my opinion, there's only two reasons for a photog to refuse to show a model the images straight out of the camera; 1. the photog is ashamed of what his/her work looks like before he photoshops the hell out of them. 2. the photog is zooming in on certain body parts and he/she doesn't want the model to know he's doing that. (I actually had one dude tell me that he does that and that's why he won't let them look at this images right after a shoot...he needs time to hide those files!) And unless the photog is producing some sort of art work, which would require more time, I think it's rediculous for a model to wait longer then about 10 days for a CD. Nov 26 05 12:28 pm Link EyeOnYouModels wrote: Oh, another reason might be that the photographer uses film? Nov 26 05 12:32 pm Link I have a window of 3-4 days, no longer than 10. And I use film. Nov 26 05 12:36 pm Link yep too bad ......time was running out for you......maybe your selecting the wrong photogs when getting images promptly takes me day after the shoot Nov 26 05 12:40 pm Link adrienne of Zswana wrote: I think that is a great way of putting it. Nov 26 05 12:48 pm Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Sure, film is going to take longer, I didn't bring that up cuz you already had. Everyone works differently but when I shoot film, I might give the model contact sheets...depending on the situation....which doesn't take any more then a few days. But generally, when I shoot film I also take some digital captures so I have something to give the model without scanning. I explain this to the model at the time of the shoot.... Nov 26 05 12:48 pm Link D. Brian Nelson wrote: Yeah, but he does not use film and has not kept in contact with me at all. Nov 26 05 01:35 pm Link Hartsoe wrote: .... Nov 26 05 01:42 pm Link Nov 26 05 01:47 pm Link Models (even paid models) and clients leaving my studio always have a cd of every image shot (unedited) reduced to 400x600 and copyrighted. This is what I call a "proof" cd. From there edits are turned within 5-10 days. I have actually had to wait over a month for clients/models to let me know their favorites. Nov 26 05 02:00 pm Link For me, usually immediately following the session for a few proof samples of the shoot, then two weeks at most for edited shots but I shoot mostly digital. Nov 26 05 02:57 pm Link I shoot film and strive to have the pics back, sorted, and ready for the model in 5-7 days. Up to two weeks max if she wants all the shots scanned and edited. Nov 26 05 04:08 pm Link Everybody's different. This is the kind of question that you should have asked the photographer before you shot...or at least before you left the shoot. Nov 26 05 06:39 pm Link I did ask the question...doesn't mean that someone won't lie or BS you about the timing issue..whats why I wanted some input generally speaking about what other individuals found excessive...thats all.......... Nov 26 05 09:48 pm Link Mai Dtem Baht. Nov 26 05 09:54 pm Link BCG wrote: Why not? Good idea. Best really to just chalk it up to....OH WELL and not say anything Nov 26 05 10:00 pm Link BCG wrote: You know, I've noticed several people (models and photographers alike) who give a sort of 'report card'. I myself do. If a model was great and easy to work with, of course I'll spead the word. And if a model was a bish to work around, people ought to know that, too. Nov 26 05 11:24 pm Link Understand one thing - many of the photogs and models on MM are not full-time professionals. Day jobs, family commitments, and other things oftentimes can get in the way. It goes both ways, sometimes a "no show model" simply had something go wrong - people get sick, etc. As with all relationships, the key is communication. As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with emailing or calling a photographer and giving a gentle reminder; something along the lines of "Hi.. Hadn't heard from you concerning the proofs/images and was wondering if you'd had a chance to get to them.." would be fine. When I am finished with proofs and retouched images, my web server automatically kicks out an email to the model stating that there are images waiting to be picked up. If the email doesn't make it to the model (spam traps, 'net problems, whatever), and I never get a request to retouch images or a thank you for the ones I did retouch, well, then it's out of sight, out of mind. When my son was born, I was a little spacey both in terms of family issues and lack of sleep (newborns - up every 2 hours - ugh). I got, read, and totally forgot about an email that a model - one who I work with often and have a great relationship with - sent me requesting retouches after she viewed proofs. Last night, she asked me about it, and I was quite embarrassed. I'm going to get on them today. The moral of the story? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Be polite, be tolerant; but don't be silent, bitchy, or too demanding, and I am sure you'll get what you seek. There aren't too many outright assholes out there that will intentionally not give you pics, and you should be able to spot them BEFORE you shoot. If you don't, consider it a learning experience and let your fellow models know. But make sure that you're dealing with a person who genuinely is intentionally witholding images before making accusations - that bell cannot be unrung. - Joe Nov 27 05 10:19 am Link The key is communication. The total fuch heads who ignore you when you write and just act like they are busy, but their sorry asses are on model mayhem playing around online are fuch heads. I agree with one model on here if they communicate and tell you they are busy and actually email you. That is cool, plus if they have worked with you before and have been reliable and awesome. So the wait should not matter. The problem is too many GWC that don't know what the hell to do. Urgh.. Communication is not that hard. Stop shooting with all these models and finish a project, then start shooting again. This goes to GWC. One nice letter, Two nice letters. Third MEAN LETTER and fuch em. Especially if it is a month. Nov 27 05 10:24 am Link The simple answer to those having all these problems with TFP is, don't do TFP. Nov 27 05 10:30 am Link Since I still work in film & paper (in addition to digital), it takes me quite a while to complete the TFP cycle. (For every hour I spend making exposures, I spend 6-8 hours in the darkroom, and my darkroom time is limited). It is my habit to be really clear with the model before the sitting about my turn around time. At this very moment, I'm at my worst -- I have a four sitting backlog in my darkroom, and I normally complete each sitting before hosting the next. I had a sitting just yesterday, and I told the model that it might be three months before I can get her a CD. So, my advice -- if TFP is part of your negotiation, agree upon set expectations about when the CD will be delivered. If that time expires, it is perfectly acceptable for the model to ask what's going on, and it is simple good common courtesy for the photographer to warn the model if the expectation is not going to get met. Nov 27 05 10:33 am Link Lauren F. wrote: You might want to add the duration of time that you must wait for your images in the contract. TFP shoots in my world are always done with the same professional conduct as the paid ones. Nov 27 05 01:05 pm Link yep, this is one reason why I try to not shoot with photographers who either aren't paying or not giving copies same day. You can get STIFFED...I remember I worked for about 8 HOURS and didn't get my copies in the LONGEST!!! Its a very bad feeling non-models don't understand...imagine working extremly hard hour after hour, holding poses, your probably hot or cold, uncomfortable, not getting paid, putting your all into something so that it will be terific and then they tell you you will get it in the mail and three, four, five weeks later (nothing). I mean really...its very disappointing...so I try to either be compensated, or only pay attn to photographers who promise same day delivery of the goods even if its unedited, or just don't shoot at all...I would rather not go to a shoot then waste my time or add one more bad experience to the list. lol And they all swear to be honest don't they? lol All you can do is go by their word...Ive checked references before and still didn't get my work...so its a matter of if you feel you are going to be bent out of shape if you don't EVER see copies of your work. Also, might want to limit the number of hours you are willing to invest in a photo shoot if he isn't paying and hasn't said you will recieve a copy the same day. My ex boyfriend gave me a copy of my work in less then 10 minutes after the shoot...but not everyone has an ex boyfriend who is also does photography and music producing for a living. Too bad we don't get along anymore...dag! lol Nov 27 05 01:12 pm Link |
