MarkMarek wrote:
Did you just wake up?

lol

BodyPainter Rich  wrote:
I qualify on number 12...does that make me a professional photographer?

So uh how is MUA pernounced????  Is it MOW (like COW)  or MOO-a... In my head I pernounce it MOW...

Logan Seh wrote:
So uh how is MUA pernounced????  Is it MOW (like COW)  or MOO-a... In my head I pernounce it MOW...

I believe that would be MAU.

TJL wrote:
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I could go on, but hopefully my rebel, amateur photographer, semi-professional photograher allies will join me, and add their input.

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25) If you don't post a reply to this thread because it hits to close to home, or because you don't know how to handle it

Huh?.....I think it's beyond a hug, can you say therapist?

BodyPainter Rich  wrote:
MUA is pronounced Moo-a but don't let any makeup artists catch you making a cow joke...you could find it VERY difficult to find stylists around here!

I always thought it was more like the kissing sound...Mwuahhhhhhhh type of thing, and that way you can make all manner of non-cow related jokes.

I could go on, but hopefully my rebel, amateur photographer, semi-professional photograher allies will join me, and add their input.

Last, but not least.

25) If you don't post a reply to this thread because it hits to close to home, or because you don't know how to handle it

Have your feelings been hurt by a full time photographer, so that you now need to bash full timers?

UdoR wrote:
A lot of this stuff didn't add up... no consistency, mixing his own frustration about whatever, with stuff that a full time photographer does with stuff that wannabe photographers do, with a dash of misguided sarcasm.

Glad I'm not the only one that felt that way...

Gary Davis wrote:
So Udo gives this thread a "thumbs down".  The Roger Ebert of internet forums

That's what happens when you aren't one of the cool kids.

Gary Davis wrote:
So Udo gives this thread a "thumbs down".  The Roger Ebert of internet forums

LOL

PlasticPuppet wrote:

That's what happens when you aren't one of the cool kids.

No, that happens when you post a very inconsistant thread...

Wicked Reflections wrote:

I always thought it was more like the kissing sound...Mwuahhhhhhhh type of thing, and that way you can make all manner of non-cow related jokes.

hmmm could be...except too much kissing motion might smudge the lipstick!

UdoR wrote:

No, that happens when you post a very inconsistant thread...

I hate to ask, but isn't that what this entire messageboard about?

Craig Thomson wrote:
Glad I'm not the only one that felt that way...

I felt like that too, but I sure have to admit he put a lot of effort into that and doesn't deserve this bash fast (though I'm the one who started it). The inconsistency is clear, but if you losen up on him a little you will be able to tell that he gave it all that effort with clear intention to put a smile on people's faces. I'm guessing this is going through his head now:

"F**k you people, I wanted to enlighten these forums a bit, spent time to put it all together and you're now flaming me like a little kid. What a waste trying to perhaps make someone's day, screw you all, f**kers"

And after our replies he has full right to feel like that. I don't sense any ill intentions in his post. Let's not make him feel like an idiot.

JMHO

Mark

Craig Thomson wrote:
I don't think so Plastic; I feel he was trying to make joke of the uptight types that bill themselves as a professional photographer.

See the thing is, so was I, making a joke that is   Sorry, my sense of humor leaves alot to be desired.

PlasticPuppet wrote:

See the thing is, so was I, making a joke that is   Sorry, my sense of humor leaves alot to be desired.

Ahhh    *WEG*

BlueTree Images wrote:
10 points to me for finally using "wronkled" in a post.

You have been initiated

TJL wrote:
1) If you obsess over who should pay whom

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Last, but not least.

25) If you don't post a reply to this thread because it hits to close to home, or because you don't know how to handle it

Some interesting comments. 

BlueTree Images wrote:
10 points to me for finally using "wronkled" in a post.

Use a wronkled backdrop and lose 20 point. Go figure....jk

Note: See current avatar, that's a wronkled muslin (not bedsheet)

PlasticPuppet wrote:
I hate to ask, but isn't that what this entire messageboard about?

It often is... but I was really referring to the OP.

I read through it and started to answer each point... but half way through... I just thought that it just doesn't make sense.

If it would have been as a consistent funny stuff about "posers", would have been great, but he mixed in stuff that is just part of full time professional photography, e.g.


4) If you need a permission slip to shoot in certain places instead of doing what your heart really wants
What if my heart tells me that I really want to shoot at this really cool place, and make it happen by getting the permission?

13) If you need a make up artist
Well... errr... duh..., shooting for an add, a magazine or a models portfolio... I don't know how to apply make up, and many models are just not as good at it like a professionally trained make up artist.

16) If you get upset when the model who in some cases is paying your @$$ to shoot them, shows up late
Maybe because you have the next shoot scheduled right after this one, with another client that pays, or a magazine...

24) If you think your photographer reputation is the most important thing in your life
As a professional, your images and reputation in the industry is all you have to be able to stay in business and getting paid

Those are just the points that are valid for every photographer in business.

But, he mixed in stuff like that:

1) If you obsess over who should pay whom
Which is simply stupid, because it depends on the job and client.

2) If you think how much your equipment cost is indicative of your status
I don't think that there are too many pros out there that care about that... they want to get the job done and receive payment.

3) If you harp about amateur photographers and semi-pro photographers (GWCs as you call them), especially ones who are gaining on you daily with their style and quality, but don't have your status or contacts
Seems like personal feelings got hurt sometimes down the road

5) If you hold onto your day job because you don't make enough money from your professional job as a photographer to leave it
I know in fact excellent shooters who supplement their income with second jobs... they hustle... living in NYC is not cheap. But... so what?

6) If you have more MM or OMP posts than you have dollars in your bank account from your professional photography
Don't know what to say here... personally, I am not on OMP, and one of the oldest active member on MM and have less posts than some members who are here for 2 months.

7) If you have photgraphy "peeves" instead of gripes or complaints
I don't even know what he was trying to say here.

8) If your model shows you an editing trick that you should know [afterall, you are a professional, right], but don't
I haven't been shown a "trick" yet, but I personally never know it all.

9) If you get upset because your friend who is a professional photographer only has a five megapixel camera and kicks your @$$ with it
This merely means that he, himself may emphasize too much on his gear.

10) If you shoot porn on the side to supplement your income, but don't want others to know you shoot porn because then they'd know you aren't the superstar professional photographer making the big bucks that you portray yourself as
Porn gigs... huh? It pays well? Got contacts in NYC?

11) If you get upset when your model asks you to supply the wardrobe because she thinks her clothes aren't good enough
Not sure about this one either... if I need clothes, I have a handful of designers that provide clothes even furs that are thousands of dollars worth.

12) If you call a make up artist a MUA
Didn't really get that one... is that if someone pronounces "Mua"?

14) If you get upset when models contact you for TFPs/TFCDs when you do paid shoots, but then turn around and hypocritically contact models who do paid shoots, and ask them for TFPs/TFCDs
Don't think that this is an issue for full time professionals... because we know that models get paid when shot for clients...

15) If you get upset when a model arrives late (some of these girls fly to see you, or drive to see you...have some understanding)
16) If you get upset when the model who in some cases is paying your @$$ to shoot them, shows up late
Both are pretty much redundant.

17) If you feel the need to put down amateur photographers or semi-professional photographers in a thread for a laugh
I don't think that a hardworking full time photographer is operating this way at all.

18) If you get upset if a model wants to bring an escort with her
I had once an entire family attending a shoot with a model. I don't care as long as all shut up and let me work.

19) If a have to buy the latest photo editing software when it comes out
Geez... ACDSee8 (49 bucks, does all I need)

20) If you get upset when someone brings their own camera to their shoots, which they are some times paying for, even if they don't interfere with your shoot
If there is a professional shoot... I have the camera, while I work... I am the one who works... If I take a break, shoot away.

21) If you feel the need to jump in on a thread when someone mentions "teen" and "nude" in the subject
How does that make someone professional or unprofessional? Don't get it...

22) If you give your model microscopic images as a result of a shoot because you think the person will take advantage of larger ones.
Microscopic... well, but I make money by shooting models for their portfolio and when they reorder prints. Now, in my experience... a model will never get back to you and ask you to edit images for print or internet... So, she prints stuff out, agencies see an undedited image and my name comes up as the photographer... I want to have control over what is being published. I think that this is simply professional.

23) If you leave a glowing tag for any new model who looks hot in hopes she will do a TFP/TFCD with you or pay to shoot with you
That must be the OP's own doing, and don't see actual shooters doing that... at least not here.

I could go on, but hopefully my rebel, amateur photographer, semi-professional photograher allies will join me, and add their input.
This is where I have the feeling that he has a vendetta with guys who posed as full timers and wants to gang up on people he believes to be full timers.

Last, but not least.

25) If you don't post a reply to this thread because it hits to close to home, or because you don't know how to handle it
Here he assumes that he knows what constitutes a professional behaviour.


Well... now I discected his points... as if I don't have to get some rest... 'cause... thanks to my reputation... I got a job for jewelry (print add and magazine interview with the designer) on Saturday...

No weekend off for full timers...

Eric Foltz wrote:
10) If you shoot porn on the side to supplement your income, but don't want others to know you shoot porn because then they'd know you aren't the superstar professional photographer making the big bucks that you portray yourself as

Don't shoot porn but I have shot nudes and other content for websites. I've also shot mass graves, combat, fashion shows, football games, portraits, weddings, etc... A check is a check.

Eric Foltz

Exactly... that is a great summary... was looking for the right words. I shoot anything that has a paycheck attached to it... leaves me open for shooting stuff that is fun where no paycheck is the outcome...

Craig Thomson wrote:
Well done Udo.....Uda man

LOL... thanks