Maya Lei wrote:
I've heard it's a proven fact that women are more appealing than men... that all around images of women sell things better to both sexes.

In our homophobic times of men who can't bear the idea of looking at another guy and finding him appealing, perhaps. Pre-Christian art seems to portray plenty of men, clothed and not - you think the Greeks and the Romans never sold anything?

Catriona wrote:

In our homophobic times of men who can't bear the idea of looking at another guy and finding him appealing, perhaps. Pre-Christian art seems to portray plenty of men, clothed and not - you think the Greeks and the Romans never sold anything?

To me homophobic means fear of homos. There is no fear unless you fear you are one. Sometimes it's just not appealing, or inspirational to the hetro male. And it should not be hard to understand a hetro male not finding another man appealing, but that does not mean he cannot appreciate a well formed male, two different things.
And again, a paying assignment is a paying assignment.

Lion Heart Studio wrote:
Shooting male models should be no different than shooting female models. The appreciation of the model and the art should be the same.

Actually, I think it is very different shooting males vs females. You tend to focus on different things with each person and just because of stereotypes, you approach the shoot differently.

It is no harder working with males vs females but there are not very many male models either which makes getting comfortable working with them harder.

Jennifer I wrote:
I don't really buy the whole "people should understand why a male photographer shouldn't want to shoot another guy" excuse thing. Makes it seem like the photographer needs to be sexually attracted to the model in order to shoot them.

The more I hear from male models complaining that they can't find anyone to shoot them, and male photographers replying that, well, women are just naturally more artistic and attractive and marketable and appealing than men, so what do they expect?, the more I suspect that this is true, at least in a large majority of cases.
I can't think of any straight female photographers who only use male models, or lesbian photographers who only use females. Female photographers tend to overwhelmingly shoot both genders about equally, or to heavily favour women, regardless of their own sexuality.
Yet, the vast majority of portfolios on this site by straight men contain nothing but women. Pretty much the only time you'll see more than maybe one or two men in a male photographer's portfolio, he'll be gay - and in that case, it will almost always be ALL men, no women.
While I know that there are exceptions, are men overall just unable to see beauty and artistry in people or genders they aren't interested in sexually? And if this is not true, why don't more straight men photograph other men? I don't mean this as a put-down, just a query...

BlindMike wrote:
It's easy shooting men, but it's hard finding men I'd actually want to shoot.

Same here.

Here's a photo I took of the first male model I shot with. I was shooting him with a female model but I took solos of them too. After the shoot, my hubby says no more male models allowed in the house lol

Todd is a very professional model. Everyone should work with him.
How did I do?

Model: Todd

StudioMona wrote:

Same here.

Here's a photo I took of the first male model I shot with. I was shooting him with a female model but I took solos of them too. After the shoot, my hubby says no more male models allowed in the house lol

Todd is a very professional model. Everyone should work with him.
How did I do?

Model: Todd

Nice foto, though todd my want to move his boxers away from the jeans...

Ransom J wrote:
Whenever I see these threads I always wonder:  Is the OP looking for a photographer that shoots Males WELL or shoots males WELL for FREE?

Thank you.

Catriona wrote:
While I know that there are exceptions, are men overall just unable to see beauty and artistry in people or genders they aren't interested in sexually? And if this is not true, why don't more straight men photograph other men? I don't mean this as a put-down, just a query...

I can appreciate beauty and artistry when I see it, but unfortunately that's not all that often. It's exceedingly rare that you come across a porfolio that's stylized and well put together. Personally I don't see the appeal in a portfolio full of half naked spread eagle crotch shots, which often seems to be the case (on here at least).

AriesJ wrote:
why is it so hard to find photog's that shoot men well? and if you know of any please direct me to them LOL!

not sure what use you've made of, or how successful it's been, the search feature here at MM but yes, many here would wonder if any of the photogs shoot men at all? (...) but we're out here. a few of us at least.

~ F

Aries Johnson wrote:
It actually was a duplicate my mistake.... I do want to clarify that i am not trying to work for free... I just want someone who will help me produce a great folio... i am willing to pay!

Then you should have NO problem finding a photographer that will develop your port for a fee in New York.

Maya Lei wrote:
I've heard it's a proven fact that women are more appealing than men... that all around images of women sell things better to both sexes.

Is it really about appeal or sex?

Aries Johnson wrote:
It actually was a duplicate my mistake.... I do want to clarify that i am not trying to work for free... I just want someone who will help me produce a great folio... i am willing to pay!

Well,  you should have a mod close one of the dupilcates and then post a casting call. That's the best way to find photographers to work with you.

Maya Lei wrote:
I've heard it's a proven fact that women are more appealing than men... that all around images of women sell things better to both sexes.

surely all those male agency models have *SOMEONE* shooting their photos? i mean, they're not all doing the MySpace 'shoot yourself in the mirror' self-portrait for their Books, right?

for some of us, men, women, actors, actresses, it's business. just business.

(*sigh*)

~ F

Catriona wrote:

In our homophobic times of men who can't bear the idea of looking at another guy and finding him appealing, perhaps. Pre-Christian art seems to portray plenty of men, clothed and not - you think the Greeks and the Romans never sold anything?

I doubt that homophobic have anything to do with it. There are too many male models in the modeling industry. Sex plays a big factor in this. Imo, even in the fashion industry, the female model is targeted to the male, directly and indirectly.

I photograph both genders. I haven't photographed men in sometime. Shit, I haven't shot in sometime now and I'm ready to take down the toy stuff except for 4 images and do my real work. Male models will be apart of what I do.

Aries Johnson wrote:
issue is not finding a photog but finding one that has the same creativity, quality, and style (not completely) as they would for a female model

expand your search *AWAY* from 'Net groups, check out the mainstream photographers who don't come to [MM], and tell us you haven't found exactly what you're seeking! not sure how much their sessions cost, but i'm certain you'll find the vision & the creativity!

g'luck to you!

~ F

aduro visum wrote:
It’s a sad fact that there aren’t as many photographers out there her take the same interest in shooting men as they do women.  I’ve always found that to be a useful tool in weeding out the real photographers from the GWCs though.  The photographers who really care about their craft tend to be much more diverse with their subjects.

I absolutely agree.  I think you'd have better luck on a forum that isn't so geared toward the aspiring female fashion model.  (The reason I say this is that "types" of modeling here are separated by types of fashion wear and not different types of modeling (trade shows/ promotional modeling/ live art modeling/ catalog versus editorial print work).

Try to work with students or seek to be a "photographic subject" for a portrait photographer.  On the other hand, I've seen some amazing photos of men on this forum!

Catriona wrote:

The more I hear from male models complaining that they can't find anyone to shoot them, and male photographers replying that, well, women are just naturally more artistic and attractive and marketable and appealing than men, so what do they expect?, the more I suspect that this is true, at least in a large majority of cases.
I can't think of any straight female photographers who only use male models, or lesbian photographers who only use females. Female photographers tend to overwhelmingly shoot both genders about equally, or to heavily favour women, regardless of their own sexuality.
Yet, the vast majority of portfolios on this site by straight men contain nothing but women. Pretty much the only time you'll see more than maybe one or two men in a male photographer's portfolio, he'll be gay - and in that case, it will almost always be ALL men, no women.
While I know that there are exceptions, are men overall just unable to see beauty and artistry in people or genders they aren't interested in sexually? And if this is not true, why don't more straight men photograph other men? I don't mean this as a put-down, just a query...

There is too much generalization from and there seems to be a lack of understanding of men. People are different. You have to take this into consideration too instead of  automatically assuming that it's just a case of homophobia.

We live in a society where sex sells, and most of the sex is catered towards men directly and indirectly. Many photographers on here who shoot women, do it because it's what's mainstream, what appeals to them and many other things. Yeah, there are some homophobic photographers, but that isn't the total answer for the lack of because their isn't a lack of male photographers who are straight shooting men. If this were the case, then we wouldn't see alot of male models who do fashion and commercial modeling. And we know that alot of those photographers are men and I'm sure that many of them aren't gay.


Me, I shoot them both, but I don't just shoot men because they are there or I feel the need to. If and when I photograph men, there has to be a concept there. I've seen some MM male models on here that I have the opportunity to work with, but these guys stand out for my 'Vision'.

As for the model, hell I don't know what his situation is, nor will I asume that there is just a lack of quality from both male and female photographers. If I'm not mistaken, he didn't state what gender suck at photographing men, but I'll go back and re-read to see if he did.

"Actually, I think it is very different shooting males vs females. You tend to focus on different things with each person and just because of stereotypes, you approach the shoot differently.

It is no harder working with males vs females but there are not very many male models either which makes getting comfortable working with them harder".

But there are as many male people as there are female people.  If you live in NY, LA or Miami and have a real shot at doing editorial fashion, then you need to shoot models.  But if you're a photographer who wants to improve his craft, you can just shoot *people*. Diane Arbus?  Julia Margaret Cameron? Paul Frank?

Ransom J wrote:
alright here you go

https://www.modelmayhem.com/member.php?id=1210

Maya Guez.

Shoots men.  Shoots men WELL.  Shoots them creatively as she does women.

You said you're willing to pay, we look forward to seeing what you do with her.

I agree with Ransom J and I can not wait to see them too.