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Body Painter

Bare Beauty Bodypaint

Posts: 361

Gardner, Massachusetts, US

Ok everybody chime in on what you think.

According to federal law, nudity (for women) is defined as the female genitals exposed or breasts uncovered from the top of the areola and down.

Now I've been deleted on myspace 8 times because of my "art" like this...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9264/dscf0107dd9.jpg
Now does anyone see any nudity in this?

Jan 15 07 02:46 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
Ok everybody chime in on what you think.

According to federal law, nudity (for women) is defined as the female genitals exposed or breasts uncovered from the top of the areola and down.

Now I've been deleted on myspace 8 times because of my "art" like this...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9264/dscf0107dd9.jpg
Now does anyone see any nudity in this?

Just curious, where do you find that federal law?  I am not aware of it, and I have looked.

Jan 15 07 02:48 pm Link

Model

Kathryn Naomi

Posts: 62

Portland, Maine, US

I'm unsure about the whole law thing, but the only thing I can think of is the are thinking it is an "implied nude" because you know what is under there... But who knows...and it's Myspace.. not overly important... The dont know art.

Jan 15 07 02:53 pm Link

Wardrobe Stylist

Dawn Geary

Posts: 103

Brooklyn, Indiana, US

It's myspace, I wouldn't get up in arms about it. I mean it's the website that launched or rather unleashed Tila Tequila onto the world. Nothing they say means anything...

Jan 15 07 02:55 pm Link

Photographer

M Pandolfo Photography

Posts: 12117

Tampa, Florida, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9264/dscf0107dd9.jpg
Now does anyone see any nudity in this?

I don't know but I'm looking damn hard.

Jan 15 07 03:00 pm Link

Photographer

DarioImpiniPhotography

Posts: 8756

Dallas, Texas, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
Ok everybody chime in on what you think.

According to federal law, nudity (for women) is defined as the female genitals exposed or breasts uncovered from the top of the areola and down.

Now I've been deleted on myspace 8 times because of my "art" like this...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9264/dscf0107dd9.jpg
Now does anyone see any nudity in this?

You were deleted because of that???  I find that hard to believe.

Jan 15 07 03:00 pm Link

Photographer

Halcyon 7174 NYC

Posts: 20109

New York, New York, US

Some people, myself included, don't think a light coat of paint equals clothing.

On MM however, moderators generally allow it because of a longstanding policy contrary to my own inclination.

Jan 15 07 03:00 pm Link

Photographer

House of DL

Posts: 523

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

It is implied nude, but well done!!!  Unfortunately you have to bow down to the moderators of the site and their opinion ( right or wrong).

Jan 15 07 03:02 pm Link

Photographer

House of DL

Posts: 523

Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Oppps - double post!!!

Jan 15 07 03:04 pm Link

Body Painter

Bare Beauty Bodypaint

Posts: 361

Gardner, Massachusetts, US

TXPhotog wrote:

Just curious, where do you find that federal law?  I am not aware of it, and I have looked.

The direct link to the stated law was in a blog of mine on the page that was deleted but I am trying to find it again.

Jan 15 07 03:04 pm Link

Model

Manda Mercure

Posts: 506

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

myspace is retarded.

my account was recently deleted because of my drawings of women, some of which had a bit of nudity.

oh well, time for a website.

Jan 15 07 03:08 pm Link

Photographer

bobby sargent

Posts: 4159

Deming, New Mexico, US

Yes.  They make the rules and its there call.  so she is nude.  End of discussion. bs

Jan 15 07 03:11 pm Link

Body Painter

Bare Beauty Bodypaint

Posts: 361

Gardner, Massachusetts, US

Here is one that could apply to me because I'm from Massachusetts.

http://www.socialaw.com/slip.htm?cid=15218&sid=120

Heres an exerpt from the court case...

2. Constitutionality of the public indecency ordinance under art. 16. Enacted in November, 2000, during a flurry of legislative activity directed at restricting adult entertainment in the city, the indecency ordinance makes it a "summary offense" knowingly or intentionally to "appear[] in a state of nudity" in a "public place." The indecency ordinance defines "[n]udity" as:



"[T]he showing of the human male or female genitals, pubic hair or buttocks with less than a fully opaque covering; the showing of the female breast with less than a fully opaque covering of any part of the nipple; the exposure of any device, costume, or covering which gives the appearance of or simulates the genitals, pubic hair, natal cleft, perineum anal region or pubic hair region; or the exposure of any device worn as a cover over the nipples and/or areola of the female breast, which device simulates and gives the realistic appearance of nipples and/or areola."


It applies in any "public place," including "places of entertainment, taverns, restaurants, clubs, theaters, dance halls, banquet halls, party rooms or halls limited to specific members, restricted to adults or to patrons invited to attend." It does not apply to children under ten years of age or to women breastfeeding infants under two years of age.

Jan 15 07 03:11 pm Link

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FlirtynFun Photography

Posts: 13926

Houston, Texas, US

keep in mind that Myspace allows 14 year olds onto their site (why I'll never know...there IS NO GOOD REASON to have adults posting adult type content where kids proliferate) So why bitch about it...it's THEIR site...follow THEIR rules and go on about your business. Or better yet...don't get on Myspace. I've never seen the reason I need to be on there.

Jan 15 07 03:14 pm Link

Body Painter

Bare Beauty Bodypaint

Posts: 361

Gardner, Massachusetts, US

FlirtynFun Photography wrote:
keep in mind that Myspace allows 14 year olds onto their site (why I'll never know...there IS NO GOOD REASON to have adults posting adult type content where kids proliferate) So why bitch about it...it's THEIR site...follow THEIR rules and go on about your business. Or better yet...don't get on Myspace. I've never seen the reason I need to be on there.

The whole 14 year old kids point is moot seeing though no one under the age of 18 could view my page anyway. I set my profile purposely to keep that from happening... and yes I know 99 usually means they're under age so no need to mention that.

Jan 15 07 03:17 pm Link

Model

Kaitlin Lara

Posts: 6467

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

Ched wrote:
Some people, myself included, don't think a light coat of paint equals clothing.

On MM however, moderators generally allow it because of a longstanding policy contrary to my own inclination.

It's nice to know at least one mod agrees with me about body paint. I don't care if someone's naked...it doesn't offend me...but I don't think paint is clothing either.

Jan 15 07 03:18 pm Link

Model

yonika

Posts: 99

Shelton, Connecticut, US

Hi
Is that fine for view for all ?
I can see a bit of her tit
but I just don't know..
what do you think?


http://a850.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/im … 100d01.jpg

found it on myspace

Jan 15 07 03:20 pm Link

Model

Kaitlin Lara

Posts: 6467

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

yonika wrote:
Hi
Is that fine for view for all ?
I can see a bit of her tit
but I just don't know..
what do you think?
found it on myspace

I understand that you're trying to demonstrate hypocracy, but nipples still aren't allowed to be posted in the forums. Change it to a link.

Jan 15 07 03:22 pm Link

Body Painter

Bare Beauty Bodypaint

Posts: 361

Gardner, Massachusetts, US

yonika wrote:
Hi
Is that fine for view for all ?
I can see a bit of her tit
but I just don't know..
what do you think?


[img]http://a850.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/42/l_1a484ae27b071919549735c589100d01.jpg[/img

found it on myspace

The aerola is shaded but visible and according to the laws I'm talking about, that is considered nudity. Even though she is wearing something the entire areola needs to be covered. The picture should be deleted but I wont do it cause I know how it feels to have a picture that beautiful be deleted. It sucks!

Jan 15 07 03:24 pm Link

Photographer

dgold

Posts: 10302

Pawtucket, Rhode Island, US

...where's the beef??

Jan 15 07 03:25 pm Link

Model

Kaitlin Lara

Posts: 6467

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
The aerola is shaded but visible and according to the laws I'm talking about, that is considered nudity. Even though she is wearing something the entire areola needs to be covered. The picture should be deleted but I wont do it cause I know how it feels to have a picture that beautiful be deleted. It sucks!

Dude...can you stop reposting the photo that I just said was not allowed to be posted directly? You have to change that to a link.

*edit* Thank you...

Jan 15 07 03:32 pm Link

Photographer

mjkhfryimhg

Posts: 2974

Tucson, Arizona, US

man...I thought I was gonna get to see some chanopa or something

Jan 15 07 03:36 pm Link

Photographer

Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
Here is one that could apply to me because I'm from Massachusetts.

http://www.socialaw.com/slip.htm?cid=15218&sid=120

Heres an exerpt from the court case...

2. Constitutionality of the public indecency ordinance under art. 16. Enacted in November, 2000, during a flurry of legislative activity directed at restricting adult entertainment in the city, the indecency ordinance makes it a "summary offense" knowingly or intentionally to "appear[] in a state of nudity" in a "public place." The indecency ordinance defines "[n]udity" as:



"[T]he showing of the human male or female genitals, pubic hair or buttocks with less than a fully opaque covering; the showing of the female breast with less than a fully opaque covering of any part of the nipple; the exposure of any device, costume, or covering which gives the appearance of or simulates the genitals, pubic hair, natal cleft, perineum anal region or pubic hair region; or the exposure of any device worn as a cover over the nipples and/or areola of the female breast, which device simulates and gives the realistic appearance of nipples and/or areola."


It applies in any "public place," including "places of entertainment, taverns, restaurants, clubs, theaters, dance halls, banquet halls, party rooms or halls limited to specific members, restricted to adults or to patrons invited to attend." It does not apply to children under ten years of age or to women breastfeeding infants under two years of age.

That is a city ordinance, not federal law.  Since the claim was made that there is a definition of nudity in federal law, I'd like to know where it is.

Jan 15 07 03:38 pm Link

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Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

TXPhotog wrote:
That is a city ordinance, not federal law.  Since the claim was made that there is a definition of nudity in federal law, I'd like to know where it is.

Hint: I know it when I see it :-)

Jan 15 07 03:40 pm Link

Body Painter

Bare Beauty Bodypaint

Posts: 361

Gardner, Massachusetts, US

TXPhotog wrote:

That is a city ordinance, not federal law.  Since the claim was made that there is a definition of nudity in federal law, I'd like to know where it is.

Like I said I'm still looking for the federal law one.

Jan 15 07 03:41 pm Link

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Emeritus

Posts: 22000

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Christopher Ambler wrote:

Hint: I know it when I see it :-)

Actually, no.  That was the definition of pornography advanced by Justice Stewart, which is different.

Jan 15 07 03:47 pm Link

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Leonard Gee Photography

Posts: 18096

Sacramento, California, US

The only reason you would need to quote federal law is if you intend to sue in federal court. You can quote any law, but unless you want to go to court to prove your case, nude or freedom of speech - their use agreement and policies apply.

* Edit * That's as long as MySpace isn't breaking the law. It's like saying grand theft is $1,000 or more and if you stole $999.99 it's not grand theft. They may not allow nudity, but if it looks like nudity, they can still zap you.

Had a billboard photo with a girl in a bikini and the angle on the torso was bout 3/4 and the average cut bottom didn't show the back enough. The outdoor billboard company refused to use it. Claimed it implied she was bare assed on thonged in the back. We had it retouched. They apologized for the delay and credited the days delayed.

Jan 15 07 03:49 pm Link

Model

A.Fox

Posts: 418

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

The problem here isn't the definition of nudity... it's that it's Myspace. They took down this photo too because of "nudity"

https://trulyafox.com/pics/sl8.jpg

Exactly, no nudity whatsoever. They've done that with 3 other photos as well that not only weren't nude, weren't even sexually suggestive. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Jan 15 07 03:56 pm Link

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Carmen the MILF

Posts: 964

Sanford, North Carolina, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
Ok everybody chime in on what you think.

According to federal law, nudity (for women) is defined as the female genitals exposed or breasts uncovered from the top of the areola and down.

Now I've been deleted on myspace 8 times because of my "art" like this...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9264/dscf0107dd9.jpg
Now does anyone see any nudity in this?

I think its FINE...but what do I know?
People have a strange view on things...
I think you should be able to paint your boobs and FACE the camera
Or...send me pics like that! LOL

Have a good week, keep your chin up....F*uck'em its just myspace...right?

Carmen

Jan 15 07 03:56 pm Link

Photographer

Doug Jantz

Posts: 4025

Tulsa, Oklahoma, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
Ok everybody chime in on what you think.

According to federal law, nudity (for women) is defined as the female genitals exposed or breasts uncovered from the top of the areola and down.

Now I've been deleted on myspace 8 times because of my "art" like this...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9264/dscf0107dd9.jpg
Now does anyone see any nudity in this?

I would ask about it.  I see things WAY uncovered more than that.  Something else is going on.

In spite of the derogatory statments made about MS in this thread, the site is a fantastic networking tool and some really well known photographers are using it as well.  It has helped launch sevral musicn careers and continues to do so.  The famed Johnny Crosslin uses a page on the site.  Say what you will, it isn't going anywhere.  It has 2 1/1 times more traffic than Google.

A site is only what people make of it, the site itself does nothing on its own.  Use it to your advantage.

Jan 15 07 04:03 pm Link

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Sophistocles

Posts: 21320

Seattle, Washington, US

TXPhotog wrote:
Actually, no.  That was the definition of pornography advanced by Justice Stewart, which is different.

I know, it was my (lame) attempt at legal nudity humor.

Jan 15 07 04:04 pm Link

Body Painter

Bare Beauty Bodypaint

Posts: 361

Gardner, Massachusetts, US

A.Fox wrote:
The problem here isn't the definition of nudity... it's that it's Myspace. They took down this photo too because of "nudity"

https://trulyafox.com/pics/sl8.jpg

Exactly, no nudity whatsoever. They've done that with 3 other photos as well that not only weren't nude, weren't even sexually suggestive. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Well if I want to get all pissy like myspace I can say that you are in a state of undress which constitutes indecency but thats extreme sarcasm on my part.
And heres another pic they have a problem with...
https://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7272/kttigerhf6.jpg
But they have a point with one of my pics which I forgot to edit...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3958 … 10ait3.jpg

Jan 15 07 04:26 pm Link

Photographer

Doug Jantz

Posts: 4025

Tulsa, Oklahoma, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:

Well if I want to get all pissy like myspace I can say that you are in a state of undress which constitutes indecency but thats extreme sarcasm on my part.
And heres another pic they have a problem with...
https://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7272/kttigerhf6.jpg
But they have a point with one of my pics which I forgot to edit...
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3958 … 10ait3.jpg

THEY don't randomly take down photos.  Cruise MS and you WILL see some nudity.  Sometimes a pic just disappears, sometimes one is taken dwon if someone is being a smart ass and hits the complaint/report button.

Jan 15 07 05:12 pm Link

Photographer

Searcher

Posts: 775

New York, New York, US

MySpace = News Corp = Fox News

You don't think they're going to be overly conservative and largely under the fighting weight braincell count when it comes to analyzing art?

Jan 15 07 05:23 pm Link

Model

Fedora el Morro

Posts: 818

Seattle, Washington, US

Myspace doesnt delete your profile for breaking the law. They delete you for violating their terms of service...which basically says that if someone finds your picture offensive, it will get yanked. I have been deleted as well. You all may say that it is not important, but it is FREE PUBLICITY. That can go a long way. My page was deleted as well. More than once. I had 5000 friends and my page got 500 hits per day. All gone.

Jan 15 07 06:31 pm Link

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TheOneEyedShooter

Posts: 119

Sonoita, Arizona, US

FIIK....the link will not open...

Jan 15 07 06:36 pm Link

Photographer

dgold

Posts: 10302

Pawtucket, Rhode Island, US

Fedora El Morro wrote:
Myspace doesnt delete your profile for breaking the law. They delete you for violating their terms of service...which basically says that if someone finds your picture offensive, it will get yanked. I have been deleted as well. You all may say that it is not important, but it is FREE PUBLICITY. That can go a long way. My page was deleted as well. More than once. I had 5000 friends and my page got 500 hits per day. All gone.

Henceforth, therefore,  it would seem that one should get to know the "e-piper",
be it Myspace or You Tube, Or chat room banter and feed it/him/her so that you too shall reap the fruits of e-marketing by adhering to their rules.
...makes good sense and couldn't hurt.

Jan 15 07 06:40 pm Link

Photographer

Greg Randles

Posts: 63

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

AerickkcireA Bodyart wrote:
Ok everybody chime in on what you think.

According to federal law, nudity (for women) is defined as the female genitals exposed or breasts uncovered from the top of the areola and down.

Now I've been deleted on myspace 8 times because of my "art" like this...
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9264/dscf0107dd9.jpg
Now does anyone see any nudity in this?

It looks like image shack pulled it also, but for reasons other thann nudity :-(

Jan 15 07 07:19 pm Link