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That's it, the trade shoots are over
That's it. No more trade unless we're either shooting for one of my books or a submission to an art show or gallery. I don't need to shoot for a living, and, to be perfectly honest, I'm tired of being the nice guy and agreeing to trade shoots only to have models exhibit the myriad of behaviors that make me want to shout, "bacon!" So I've made the call. If we're shooting for one of my upcoming books, I'm either paying the model (because I have a client/publisher financing the book) or it's a trade shoot for a book intended to break-even with the goal being to be published. I'm much more interested in being juried into an art show, shown in a gallery, or having a book on the shelves, to be perfectly honest. If I'm prepared to offer or agree to a trade shoot for these purposes, I'm going to be paying for a hair/makeup artist and not just taking my chances that the model can do her own look and meet my needs. And I'm going to expect a level of professional behavior - and not tolerate less. Otherwise, if the shoot is a challenge, perhaps I'll do it, and charge a reasonable rate (while I don't have to shoot for a living, I'm also not throwing money away - breaking even is more than satisfactory to me). But likely not. From now on, all requests that sound like, "Hey, we should shoot TFP" and leave it at that, or are pitched in a genre that I either don't shoot, don't want to shoot, or don't feel stand a chance at publication will be responded-to with a polite, respectful but firm "no, thank you." Now everyone tell me what an ass I'm being. Jan 10 07 08:31 pm Link okay, since you asked your being an ass  If you decide not to work TFP this is your call! No one should turn around and get on your case because you have made a business call. If models get upset about this descision then simply dont work with them. As for one I would work with you if I was in your area! I love your work. Jan 10 07 08:37 pm Link Nah... I don't think you are an ass. You have to draw the line somewhere don't ya? You'll find the reall people that want to work with you! Jan 10 07 08:39 pm Link No, you are not being an "ass." Your time is valuable. Some models do not see the value of a photographer's time. Steve Jan 10 07 08:48 pm Link You are in no way being an ass. I do hope one day you can get over my tattoos and make some great photos with me. I think you rock! Jan 10 07 09:10 pm Link You ASS... J/K lmao.. I have to agree with you because I rarely shoot TFP/CD. And sometime trying to set one up is harder then the shoot itself. Jan 10 07 09:12 pm Link There really isn't any obligation for anybody to work with anybody else, despite how entitled some folks on the forums feel. Jan 10 07 09:28 pm Link San Francisco Nudes wrote: While this is true, I've already received the first private message from a model. I politely told her that I wasn't available to to a trade shoot with her in her requested genre, and she just lit into me. The operative phrase was, "you just won't work with me because I won't shoot what you want to shoot." (emphasis hers). Jan 11 07 05:52 pm Link ugh. you mean our tfp shoot is off? i have to return this bikini now. and i shaved my legs for nothing. >_ Jan 11 07 05:59 pm Link Christopher Ambler wrote: LOL Jan 11 07 06:01 pm Link mmmm Bacon!! Can we do a TFB? Trade for Bacon? Oh come on, please?!! Just kidding  Jan 11 07 06:01 pm Link Has this been brought to the floor for a vote? Jan 11 07 06:08 pm Link Milli wrote: Oh, come now, this thread isn't nearly bacon-like! This is me, changing how I work. I'm not griping about what models do, I'm griping about how I'm being treated as a result! Decidedly non-baconlike! Jan 11 07 06:10 pm Link Ass? No. Just setting your terms, and they're yours to set. Jan 11 07 07:43 pm Link Christopher Ambler wrote: I wasn't saying it was baconlike lol. I just wanted to do a TFB! I'll cook you some bacon, really I will! haha. Jan 11 07 07:45 pm Link Call you an ass? Only if you're into that kinda thing. I think you're just being fair to yourself. Dont go out of your way if you're not going to get results that make you happy. We could all learn from you. EVERYBODY LET'S GET RID OF TFP'S FOREVER!!!!just kidding  Jan 11 07 07:55 pm Link Christopher Ambler wrote: Hopefully you're well enough adjusted to just laugh and ignore it. Jan 11 07 10:35 pm Link San Francisco Nudes wrote: Pretty-much. One of the benefits of not having to do this for a living. Jan 11 07 10:50 pm Link Christopher Ambler wrote: Did you write her back and say, "Yes, thats exactly why. Thanks for understanding!" Jan 11 07 11:05 pm Link I'd say it's about time some take their career seriously enough not to give their talents away.....I commend you for setting that standard. I like my pay and be paid policy.......the water's definitely nice there Jan 11 07 11:47 pm Link Christopher Ambler wrote: The assumption is that we didn't think you were an ass all along... Jan 12 07 12:24 pm Link |
