Photographer
DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
ok I have a photographer friend who I was just talking to and he was looking to hire a model for a website project he is doing.
He states she was all happy and excited about doing it and blah blah blah and how professional she is and how she would rock his project.
So he states they spoke again today and she then mentions to him "oh I always bring with me an escort" He stated that was fine by him as he knew she was traveling. Then he states she said " So you will need to cover my escorts expenses also"
He was shocked to think she actually thought he was going to shell out another $300-$500 for another plane ticket for a friend who he has no use for.
I didn't know what to tell him on a subject like this because I have never went through that,but he really wants to use her.
I told him forget her lol but thats just how I am lol...
Would you shell out the cash or have any of you been in this situation before???????? What did you do???
Model
NC17
Posts: 1739
Baltimore, Maryland, US
BACON!!!
So really, this the what-th thread on this just today???
Does it really need to be discussed?
Seriously? Pay for a plane ticket for a friend to tag along? dang if that works then I think I'm gonna be vacationing a lot more here pretty soon.....
Photographer
Tony Lawrence
Posts: 21528
Chicago, Illinois, US
I don't understand why photographers fly models in from other cities. I
always think what if she/he doesn't look like their current photos or isn't
even the model shown in the image. I would want to meet any person I planned
to pay more then $25.00 an hour in person if at all possible first. This way
if their current look has changed you know what's up. I also would not pay for
a escorts travel. If your friend is still looking for models and can't find them
on-line then tell them to try a want ad in a local newspaper.
Photographer
Habenero Photography
Posts: 1444
Mesa, Arizona, US
The escorts travel comes out of the model's pay. If the travel costs are higher than her pay, she would owe the photographer money!
Model
Dances with Wolves
Posts: 25108
SHAWNEE ON DELAWARE, Pennsylvania, US
dncphotos wrote:
ok I have a photographer friend who I was just talking to and he was looking to hire a model for a website project he is doing.
He states she was all happy and excited about doing it and blah blah blah and how professional she is and how she would rock his project.
So he states they spoke again today and she then mentions to him "oh I always bring with me an escort" He stated that was fine by him as he knew she was traveling. Then he states she said " So you will need to cover my escorts expenses also"
He was shocked to think she actually thought he was going to shell out another $300-$500 for another plane ticket for a friend who he has no use for.
I didn't know what to tell him on a subject like this because I have never went through that,but he really wants to use her.
I told him forget her lol but thats just how I am lol...
Would you shell out the cash or have any of you been in this situation before???????? What did you do??? Tell him to hire me instead. No escort required.
And even if he won't do that, tell him not to pay that model's escort.
Model
M
Posts: 116
Miami, Florida, US
Photographer
4C 41 42
Posts: 11093
Nashville, Tennessee, US
dncphotos wrote:
He was shocked to think she actually thought he was going to shell out another $300-$500 for another plane ticket for a friend who he has no use for. He shouldn't be surprised. Tons of models on this site requesting that the photographer pay for the escorts expenses. Some are now requiring the photographer pay for the escorts time. So escorts actually have rates now.
Look at it from her standpoint. If she can get the photographer to pay for her boyfriend to come with her, why not? They get a free vacation, she makes a little money. Sounds like a good deal.
Hell, I've all but given up shooting. Maybe I'll hire myself out as an escort. Seems like and easy gig. Stand around, scratch myself, make intimidating faces at the photographer, go home. And if I can get some free trips out of the deal too? I'm there. Next up... the photographer will have to pay for my wife to come too. >:-)
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Ok, you know how some of us rant & rave against escorts & say that photographers who encourage them & tell models they should always have them (not simply ALLOW them but encourage them & try to make them sound like a good idea) are shooting ALL of us in the foot?
THIS is one of the reasons why people!
Think about it! You encourage these people to think an escort is a right, not a choice, and something that must ALWAYS be a part of a shoot, something that is useful & necessary & expected, and of COURSE things like this will happen.
We've seen models in the last few months asking for rates as Lary noted, some of them even asking for $40+ an hour for their ARMED security.
Stop the madness, ok?
Don't pay for escorts, their travel, or their expenses.
If you feel you can't get decent models without an escort & want to allow them, great. But stop encouraging the hysteria over them and hurting the phjotographer/model relationship by making models think they need them & we should pay for them.
Photographer
Stan The Man
Posts: 733
Brooklyn, Indiana, US
IT WOULD BE FUNNY TO FIND OUT THAT AFTER HE PAY 4 DA ESCORT ITS IN FACT A BOYFRIEND................................. lmao
Photographer
David Poata
Posts: 421
Waitakere, Auckland, New Zealand
Photographer
DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Tony Lawrence wrote:
I don't understand why photographers fly models in from other cities. I
always think what if she/he doesn't look like their current photos or isn't
even the model shown in the image. I would want to meet any person I planned
to pay more then $25.00 an hour in person if at all possible first. This way
if their current look has changed you know what's up. I also would not pay for
a escorts travel. If your friend is still looking for models and can't find them
on-line then tell them to try a want ad in a local newspaper. yes, I like to see a model close up first as weel before I fly her out to me. Thats why I prefer local models. If they aren't what they looked like online you can just tell them to go home and no money lost.
Model
M
Posts: 116
Miami, Florida, US
LarryB wrote:
He shouldn't be surprised. Tons of models on this site requesting that the photographer pay for the escorts expenses. Some are now requiring the photographer pay for the escorts time. So escorts actually have rates now. ??? This is madness!
Photographer
DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
LarryB wrote:
He shouldn't be surprised. Tons of models on this site requesting that the photographer pay for the escorts expenses. Some are now requiring the photographer pay for the escorts time. So escorts actually have rates now.
Look at it from her standpoint. If she can get the photographer to pay for her boyfriend to come with her, why not? They get a free vacation, she makes a little money. Sounds like a good deal.
Hell, I've all but given up shooting. Maybe I'll hire myself out as an escort. Seems like and easy gig. Stand around, scratch myself, make intimidating faces at the photographer, go home. And if I can get some free trips out of the deal too? I'm there. Next up... the photographer will have to pay for my wife to come too. >:-) I believe they were in contact from myspace(lol go figure)
and the escort is another girl in which he asked to see pictures of her, because if she was good looking he could have used her too. She was not up to par to his standards however. So he has no use for her.
Photographer
Robert Perez
Posts: 1165
Catasauqua, Pennsylvania, US
dncphotos wrote:
ok I have a photographer friend who I was just talking to and he was looking to hire a model for a website project he is doing.
He states she was all happy and excited about doing it and blah blah blah and how professional she is and how she would rock his project.
So he states they spoke again today and she then mentions to him "oh I always bring with me an escort" He stated that was fine by him as he knew she was traveling. Then he states she said " So you will need to cover my escorts expenses also"
He was shocked to think she actually thought he was going to shell out another $300-$500 for another plane ticket for a friend who he has no use for.
I didn't know what to tell him on a subject like this because I have never went through that,but he really wants to use her.
I told him forget her lol but thats just how I am lol...
Would you shell out the cash or have any of you been in this situation before???????? What did you do??? Easy to answer I would tell him she can bring the escort but he is hiring the model and not the escort and expenses will only be paid for her.
Man he must really want to shoot with this model.
Photographer
Robert Perez
Posts: 1165
Catasauqua, Pennsylvania, US
Photographer
Ex Voto Studio
Posts: 4985
Columbia, Maryland, US
NO WAY, NO HOW...NOT NOW,NOT EVER!!!!
do not pay for the escort..that's obsurd!!!!!!
Photographer
Justin
Posts: 22389
Fort Collins, Colorado, US
Ah, reminds me of a model's portfolio I saw. The model said if she traveled, she needed travel paid for two other people to come with her, and she'd bolt if something was suggested that violated her "beliefs."
Her portfolio, naturally, was nothing but web or phone cam shots of herself.
Just one of the Eight Millions Stories in the Naked City.
Oh, sorry. Back on topic. No, don't pay for the escort. Don't encourage it. There are easier and cheaper ways to find the right model.
Photographer
STUDIOMONA PHOTOGRAPHY
Posts: 33697
Avon, Minnesota, US
dncphotos wrote:
ok I have a photographer friend who I was just talking to and he was looking to hire a model for a website project he is doing. If the return on investment (ROI) would justify the cost of spending on the escort..sure.. why not? I wonder what the website project entails? 
Photographer
Rp-photo
Posts: 42711
Houston, Texas, US
Unreasonable requests like these are made because there are "enablers" out there that comply with them. This is a far-reaching concept that is true in many situations.
Spamming is a good example. Spam continues because of enablers (suckers) that buy the products. I resent the enablers more than the spammers.
Withing the photography world, GWC's are good examples of enablers.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
LarryB wrote:
He shouldn't be surprised. Tons of llamas on this site requesting that the photographer pay for the escorts expenses. Some are now requiring the photographer pay for the escorts time. So escorts actually have rates now. Wrath Child wrote:
??? This is madness! Wrath, your profile says:
*I require that I am allowed to take an escort to ALL photo shoots for practical reasons (drive me, carry my sh!t, be there in case I need anything) If that presents a problem please let me know in advance or do not message me so that neither of us waste time.
So do you feel that the escort should just spend the time doing it because you tell them to, or do you charge higher rates to cover the escort's time? What happens if a photographer wants to fly you to another city? Do you buy the escort a ticket?
(and I am 100% against escorts, paid or not, this just makes me wonder how the escorts get compensated since an escort-only llama is saying expenses for the escort are crazy)
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
rp_photo wrote:
Unreasonable requests like these are made because there are "enablers" out there that comply with them. This is a far-reaching concept that is true in many situations.
Spamming is a good example. Spam continues because of enablers (suckers) that buy the products. I resent the enablers more than the spammers.
Withing the photography world, GWC's are good examples of enablers. *nod* See my comments above. This's why several of us rail against the escort concept and throw down with those who say they should always be there. Just because they can't get quality models without allowing escorts (altho quality model and escort are probably mutually exclusive) is no reason for them to encoourage this sort of madness for the rest of us.
Photographer
fstopdreams
Posts: 4300
Chattanooga, Tennessee, US
dncphotos wrote:
ok I have a photographer friend who I was just talking to and he was looking to hire a model for a website project he is doing.
He states she was all happy and excited about doing it and blah blah blah and how professional she is and how she would rock his project.
So he states they spoke again today and she then mentions to him "oh I always bring with me an escort" He stated that was fine by him as he knew she was traveling. Then he states she said " So you will need to cover my escorts expenses also"
He was shocked to think she actually thought he was going to shell out another $300-$500 for another plane ticket for a friend who he has no use for.
I didn't know what to tell him on a subject like this because I have never went through that,but he really wants to use her.
I told him forget her lol but thats just how I am lol...
Would you shell out the cash or have any of you been in this situation before???????? What did you do??? This is a joke thread right?
Photographer
Fotografia-di-Asia
Posts: 6118
Park City, Utah, US
if by escort you mean someone who is going to have sex with me, yes. that's why i insist on female escort only.  and, no, i won't pay for the travel expenses.
Model
M
Posts: 116
Miami, Florida, US
SLE Photography wrote:
Wrath, your profile says:
*I require that I am allowed to take an escort to ALL photo shoots for practical reasons (drive me, carry my sh!t, be there in case I need anything) If that presents a problem please let me know in advance or do not message me so that neither of us waste time.
So do you feel that the escort should just spend the time doing it because you tell them to, or do you charge higher rates to cover the escort's time? What happens if a photographer wants to fly you to another city? Do you buy the escort a ticket?
(and I am 100% against escorts, paid or not, this just makes me wonder how the escorts get compensated since an escort-only llama is saying expenses for the escort are crazy) 1. I pay my escorts. ALWAYS. I would never expect any photographer to pay for an escort. To begin with, if the photog is nice enough to allow me an escort, the very least I can do is pay his way.
2. It is absolutely your right to be against escorts, just as it is my right to decline work that I feel requires an escort. Though usually I do require one for practical reasons, I stongly feel that it is my responsibility to compensate them, not the photographer.
Photographer
Habenero Photography
Posts: 1444
Mesa, Arizona, US
Can we please have the next originator of a thread asking anything involving escorts thrown in the Brig!
Photographer
fstopdreams
Posts: 4300
Chattanooga, Tennessee, US
Habenero Photography wrote:
Can we please have the next originator of a thread asking anything involving escorts thrown in the Brig! Do you need an escort for your next shoot to protect you from the model? I charge very reasonable rates, am an expert marksman and am fully licensed to carry a concealed weapon.
Photographer
4C 41 42
Posts: 11093
Nashville, Tennessee, US
dncphotos wrote:
I believe they were in contact from myspace(lol go figure)
and the escort is another girl in which he asked to see pictures of her, because if she was good looking he could have used her too. She was not up to par to his standards however. So he has no use for her. Ah yes... How many times have we all heard "I got a friend who wants to do pictures too. I promise she's real cute!" Oh if I only had a dollar...
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Model
M
Posts: 116
Miami, Florida, US
SLE Photography wrote:
So do you feel that the escort should just spend the time doing it because you tell them to, or do you charge higher rates to cover the escort's time? Oh and no, I do not charge higher rates so that I can pay for my escort. I dont charge at all I have two jobs that allow me to do as much TFCD as my heart desires.
Photographer
DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Habenero Photography wrote:
Can we please have the next originator of a thread asking anything involving escorts thrown in the Brig! I LIKE THE BRIG
Photographer
DANACOLE
Posts: 10183
Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Thank you all for your replies.
Pretty much what I told him but wanted to show him I'm not the only one who WOULD NOT pay for an escorts expenses and that if he does he's crazy !!!
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 6209
San Diego, California, US
rp_photo wrote:
Unreasonable requests like these are made because there are "enablers" out there that comply with them. This is a far-reaching concept that is true in many situations.
Spamming is a good example. Spam continues because of enablers (suckers) that buy the products. I resent the enablers more than the spammers.
Withing the photography world, GWC's are good examples of enablers. No kidding.
Photographer
Nathan Sol
Posts: 784
Oshkosh, Wisconsin, US
Of course, if the photographer DOESN'T pay for the escort(s), it means the photographer has something to hide, and the model will tell everyone not to work with them.
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Wrath Child wrote:
1. I pay my escorts. ALWAYS. I would never expect any photographer to pay for an escort. To begin with, if the photog is nice enough to allow me an escort, the very least I can do is pay his way.
2. It is absolutely your right to be against escorts, just as it is my right to decline work that I feel requires an escort. Though usually I do require one for practical reasons, I stongly feel that it is my responsibility to compensate them, not the photographer. Cool. That's an entirely acceptable attitude.
Like I said, my only problem is when people start trumpeting that all models should have escorts or that photographers who dont' like them should be boycotted. You don't sound like one of those, so we can both happily do our own thing
Photographer
SLE Photography
Posts: 68937
Orlando, Florida, US
Narhan wrote:
Of course, if the photographer DOESN'T pay for the escort(s), it means the photographer has something to hide, and the model will tell everyone not to work with them. The model might think so, anyway. Ugh. It's like blackmail.
Model
M
Posts: 116
Miami, Florida, US
Photographer
Sophistocles
Posts: 21320
Seattle, Washington, US
Sorry, I'm a little late on this one - had an early-morning meeting. My apologies.
Ahem.
BACON!!!!!
Model
DELETE ACCOUNT
Posts: 5517
Eškašem, Badakhshan, Afghanistan
six strips - almost to a crisp, please. Three eggs, sunny side up. Thanks!
Photographer
Mikel Featherston
Posts: 11103
San Diego, California, US
KathyJean wrote:
six strips - almost to a crisp, please. Three eggs, sunny side up. Thanks! mmmmmmm.... crispy bacon.
Model
DELETE ACCOUNT
Posts: 5517
Eškašem, Badakhshan, Afghanistan
Hey, I make a mean BLT. I love to cook after a shoot.
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and, no, i won't pay for the travel expenses.
