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Am I crazy for not being a nazi about requiring payment for nude photos? Being nude doesn't bother me, and if its a creative, collaborative process with the photographer, should I really charge them? Jan 05 07 01:41 am Link Yes. Just kidding. There are many reasons not to charge for nudes. I would do nude TFCD as well. Jan 05 07 01:42 am Link It's really up to you. Do what makes you happy! Jan 05 07 01:46 am Link Dunno. Depends on who you ask. Do whatever makes you feel A OK. *Ok back to normal programming* Jan 05 07 02:04 am Link No. Welcome to the business of " Do whatever the fuck makes you happy" Jan 05 07 02:08 am Link Ginger Kelley wrote: Do what you want! I know I do! And there is nothing wrong with TFP for nudes. Jan 05 07 02:11 am Link Nemi Bea wrote: rotf!!!!!! Couldn't say it any better...hehe funny Jan 05 07 02:11 am Link Ginger Kelley wrote: dunno.. according to the thread I've been following for a few days, models and photogs should NEVER charge for their work. Jan 05 07 02:14 am Link Ginger Kelley wrote: The Nazis charged for nude photos? Jan 05 07 02:15 am Link Carefully choose the ones you'd like to TFP with. Then charge the rest  I really ought to start charging as well.. ::sigh:: I associate money with stress. Jan 05 07 03:10 am Link can you believe that there are people who would charge to shoot you nude? seriously, if you want the photos more, you pay. else, the other side pay. if you both want them, no one pay. simple? Jan 05 07 09:10 am Link Richard Tallent wrote: I dislike this attitude because it implies pretty directly that all of us that do this for money don't do it because we love the art. I suppose you should ask Mickle Design Werks whether or not my heart is in this for love or money and see what kind of answer you get. I do this for money because it is a job for me, another income to get me to my goals which will create a lifelong career for me (you can't fool me into thinking that modeling will last me the rest of my life...). However, my life is art. I have been taking art classes since I was a small child, and I delight in the fact that now with photography my body has become the medium. I find it beautiful and powerful. Jan 05 07 09:26 am Link hi Ginny. Jan 05 07 09:29 am Link Ginger: No, you're not a nazi... especially since there are SO many photographers out there that are very willing to take really bad nude pictures. Many of them think the world of their work, and I suppose thats alright. The question is what value do the resulting images have for YOU and YOUR book and YOUR goals. If the images are less than what you desire to put in your book, then there is NO reason not to charge. That should be your rule of thumb for all images, nude or not nude. Its the quaility of work, and whether or not it benefits your personal goals that matter. I have a whole drawer full of terrible nudes of myself. I would have never shot them if the arrangements had not been paying arrangements. The images are USELESS to me because they are of such poor quality. This boils down to pure business needs, and really has little to do with nudity or not. Jan 05 07 09:33 am Link Hi Leo!! *waves* Jan 05 07 09:34 am Link You're not crazy I never paid to shoot any of my nudes. But i did get paid to shoot some nudes. You enojy it. You're in creating art. That should be enough. But don't say no if someone offer you money. I also thing that if someone will profit from those image you should share the profits in some way. It's only fair. Jan 05 07 09:37 am Link I'll do a nude shoot with you for free, hehe. I don't think you're crazy. Every shoot I've done so far was either paid (to me) or TFP. No complaints yet. Jan 05 07 09:38 am Link You get to do whatever you want, right? If you need money, why not charge. Yes, that will limit the number of photographers who will shoot with you. So be flexible. Shoot with who you want to shoot with, say no to the rest, and charge when you feel like it. Personally, if I were a model, I would take it on a case by case basis. If some total beginner wanted to shoot me, I would absolutely shoot with them, but I would probably charge. On the other hand, if Annie Leibowitz wanted to shoot me, I would be there in five seconds and wouldn't think about charging her, unless it was a commercial project. The cool thing is -- there are no rules. Make it up as you go along, do what feels right for you, and enjoy it! Paul Ginger Kelley wrote: Jan 05 07 09:55 am Link bang bang photo wrote: Oh Hell yeah!!! Jan 05 07 10:01 am Link My opinion: Charge or don't charge for modeling. Charging a sliding scale based on how much or how little you're willing to do only enhances the perception that your morals are for sale and GWC's are welcome.. And no, I'm not a moralist.. I don't care if you'll only model in a nuns habit or do 1000guy gangbang porn.. I DO get frustrated with those who advertise for one (the sliding scale) and then complain about the types of clients they attract. Jan 05 07 10:02 am Link I don't view it quite so narrowly -- it's not that the sliding scale should be tied to how much nudity is involved ($50 per hour if I take off my top, $100 per hour for full nudity, $150 per hour for masturbation) but rather, it's a complex combination of how interested you are in doing the job, who the photographer is, how busy you are and have been recently, etc. We photogs do that all the time -- everybody does, I think. It's not so much a morals issue, as simple personal choice. There are a tremendous number of variables that go into pricing, especially in a creative area like modeling and photography. If I were a model, I wouldn't publish prices at all. I'd look at each project on it's merits, and then decide what I would like to get for the job if I did it, and what the minimum I will accept is after negotiation. And I think the more legitimate/mainstream the project, the less likely anybody is going to be to ask what your price is. You're going to hear, "our budget for this modeling job is $X.XX -- OK?" Regards, Paul W.G. Rowland wrote: Jan 05 07 10:08 am Link Nemi Bea wrote: DWTFMYH-FP beats TFP. Jan 05 07 10:13 am Link Ginger Kelley wrote: You are not crazy at all. Modeling or shooting, simply because you enjoy it, in some ways, is the purest form of the craft. Jan 05 07 10:15 am Link bang bang photo wrote: What you quote is a different situation.. Jan 05 07 10:15 am Link Richard Tallent wrote: The idea that money somehow corrupts art is a common misconception by amateur artists. Jan 05 07 10:16 am Link I get that all the time too. There's a big university that wants to use one of my photos for a student project, but they want to use it for free. Every communication from them is all about how it's an academic non-profit project, and so I should be happy to contribute. I'm thinking -- right. A university with hundreds of millions of dollars, huge endowments, which charges students 10s of thousands per year, wants ME, a starving artist, to just give them something for free. So then they told me they were just going to use the picture any way. What the FUCK are they teaching people in art school these days? WI Lifecaster wrote: Jan 05 07 10:21 am Link W.G. Rowland wrote: Good point. Jan 05 07 10:24 am Link Ginger Kelley wrote: I work on a TFP/CD basis for shoots that I want to do for my own use. However, I also get a fair amount of calls from my website by individuals who want a nude shoot for a variety of reasons. In those cases I always get paid. Jan 05 07 10:33 am Link @NC17: I'm not implying that professional models are not incredibly artistic people. To the contrary, I respect any model who loves the work enough to actually make it a career. More power to you and the rest of the few who actually "make it" to that point. I'm just saying that I have no desire to pay my way to shoot with experienced pay-only models and end up being one of the photographers whose work ended up in the "gee I'm glad I got some cash for this crap" drawer. Doesn't mean I don't think my stuff is too good for anyone to call crap. I've been doing this "for real" only about a year, and any ego that builds up quickly disappears with a trip to the profiles on my "Favorites" page or by opening any fashion magazine on my desk. But one model's crap-drawer is another model's avatar, to torture the phrase. I prefer to work with models of equal ability, or those with less experience who I want to help out, or models with more ability than me who are willing to take a chance on me. I'm also not just being a cheap here. I also turn down paid jobs from wannabe models who I frankly don't want to waste my time on. I do the same with many people who approach me about weddings, portraits, etc. My day job pays the bills, and the limited camera and family time I have left on nights and weekends is worth more than their money. @WI: The idea that money somehow does not affect the purity of art is a common misconception by professional artists. I'm not above "corruption" either: sometimes I do weddings, portraits, etc. partially for the money. For most of my work, however, I just prefer to collaborate with people whose only pay is the same as mine: the resulting photographs. But I live in a Pollyanna world where I don't do this for a living, I have no clients to satisfy, no galleries to impress, no books to publish. I'm not impugning the reputation, quality, or motives of those who do, I'm just saying it's not my world. Jan 06 07 12:31 am Link Nemi Bea wrote: Right on. Jan 06 07 12:38 am Link Ginger Kelley wrote: I think it's great that you do it because you love it. Nothing wrong with making money, but there is something refreshing about doing your thing just for the fun of it. Isn't that how most of us got involved in this crazy game anyway? Jan 06 07 12:46 am Link i look at posing nude for free much the way id look at trading in general. its a business desicion. every month i do a few free shoots for a couple magazines. they compensate me with a small ad that quite honestly does me little good, since most of my clients are commercial. however, what i noticed was by doing these shoots, it keeps my name running in certain circles and has lead to more jobs that do pay. also with that, when those magazines do have gigs that have a budget theyll throw some money my way. now this is a long way around to make a point, but the same concept works with models (clothed or not). if i want to do some portfolio work ill find someone to pose for me for free. then a handful of the right people are all going to see the model in my pictures and their first question is always "whose that?" they think they know everyone in the local industry. from this i indirectly make an introduction for you. sometimes that alone can get tests with some of the other photographers i work with regularly. in addition to this, when the next shoot comes along where i have a budget for a model, i try to throw some money back to the models that ive worked with. its a good practice to build business relationships with people that can help your career. now, it should also be said that not every photographer can help your career. forgive me, but any nut with a camera is a photographer. all im saying is that i wouldnt necessarily rule anything out automatically. 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