Primal Lens wrote:
reminds me the photographer who had to actually say" Oh no hon, its a g string, you have it on backwards, thats why"
LOL

Yikes.

Vivus Denuo wrote:
I gave a model a bra and panty set to put on.  Two minutes later, she came out of the bathroom and said, "These undies don't work."

than couldn't you have told her to go without?

Brendan Barry wrote:
Jesus, are we that afraid of labia? They are primarily the only outside difference in that area. You got way more junk down there than she does. They have more 'internal' junk than we do. See? Isn't that clear now?

Some labia can be quite frightening, actually.

Ed Goodwin Photography wrote:

Some labia can be quite frightening, actually.

I know. I did a 50 labia (pair) project for a cancer center.

Beach wrote:
next time give her a new pair, and when she comes out of the dressing room you'll be standing there in nothing but the first pair with your arms crossed. Say coyly, "do they work for you now?"

lmao!

Beach wrote:
next time give her a new pair, and when she comes out of the dressing room you'll be standing there in nothing but the first pair with your arms crossed. Say coyly, "do they work for you now?"

LOL.  Gotta try that, camera in hand, so I can capture her expression.

Vivus Denuo wrote:
"These undies don't work."

Usually I'm the one saying that to the models.

alarana wrote:
Just ask.  If it's something that intimate she can't share, she won't answer...

...agree.

kelvin pinney wrote:
Perhaps you weren't forceful enough. Next time try it like Arnold with a french/italian accent-

"Now lie on your back and put those panties on. Do it dolcissimo. Do it, slowly..."

Don't be surprized if she whacks you upside the head with an antique telephone. Damn, you wouldn't believe how long it took me to come up with the word 'dolcissimo'.

Jay-ziss...  Dolcissimo?  Sorry, pal, but I'l stealing that one.  I've found a new favorite word.  I don't know about French/Italian but I can door a poor Spanish accent when necessary...



But that's neither here nor there.


So, Vivus... you're scared to ask just because she's a goil? 

No harm in asking.  If she says that they won't work then matter-of-factly ask "Why?"  Considering you may have mentally planned compositions based on it, it's within your right to ask.  If she doesn't answer then she doesn't.  But you're both grown-ups, I doubt it would be anything that couldn't be explained.  Especially since pointedly not answering says just as much as providing one.

Vivus Denuo wrote:
I gave a model a bra and panty set to put on.  Two minutes later, she came out of the bathroom and said, "These undies don't work."  I didn't know what she meant, and I didn't ask.  I gave her another pair, which she wore for the shots.

I'm someone who believes in good communcation between photog and model, but I was afraid to ask what was the matter with the first pair.  I thought it might be something, um, female and, um, intimate, and I didn't need to have the conversation.  The undies were gauzy see-through in the back (not in the front), but she had worn such a pair before in another shoot.  So, I never found out.

Should I have asked?  Would you have?

Maybe there was a skid mark in them from an earlier shoot...

Carrie_K wrote:
There needs to be open communication between a model and photographer

Then she should have been clearer.  In shoots, I've heard, "These don't fit me," "Don't you think these colors clash?", "This shows too much," etc., etc.  If a model has a reason, she should give it in the first place, no?  As you suggest, the model should communicate.  She shouldn't be mysterious.  Unless her reason was, as I indicated, maybe something "female" and "intimate," i.e., something more than she wanted to say to a photographer.

Richard Tallent wrote:
Hmm... so, you are going to hang out taking pictures of someone in their underwear for the afternoon, but you don't have enough rapport with them to communicate frankly about said underwear...

Wait until you have to discuss "where to put the string" a nude model or two. I guarantee any answer to an underwear question won't phase you after that.

You assume too much.  It was she who, in that instance, didn't have enough rapport to communicate frankly with me, with her mysterious "These undies don't work."  On that, I followed her lead.  I've shot with her before and after that shoot.  We generally communicate well.

Vivus Denuo wrote:

You assume too much.  It was she who, in that instance, didn't have enough rapport to communicate frankly with me, with her mysterious "These undies don't work."  On that, I followed her lead.  I've shot with her before and after that shoot.  We generally communicate well.

*shrug* seems to me "How do you mean?" is a perfectly acceptable response to her statement.  She *was* communicating.  By your description of the situation you are the one who  ended the conversation.

Primal Lens wrote:
reminds me the photographer who had to actually say" Oh no hon, its a g string, you have it on back wards, thats why"
LOL

I'm cracking up here cos I have told that to my llama, lmao.. I brought her a fancy pair with lace tie ups at the back, but cos the bra corset has the lace at the front she thought the knickers went the same way .. lmao right now! it wasn't a g banger though.

Vivus Denuo wrote:
I gave a llama a bra and panty set to put on.  Two minutes later, she came out of the bathroom and said, "These undies don't work."  I didn't know what she meant, and I didn't ask.  I gave her another pair, which she wore for the shots.

I'm someone who believes in good communcation between photog and llama, but I was afraid to ask what was the matter with the first pair.  I thought it might be something, um, female and, um, intimate, and I didn't need to have the conversation.  The undies were gauzy see-through in the back (not in the front), but she had worn such a pair before in another shoot.  So, I never found out.

Should I have asked?  Would you have?

If she wasn't comfortable in the first pair, how do you think the photos of her would have turned out?  If you have a happy llama, everything goes right.

Vivus Denuo wrote:
I gave a llama a bra and panty set to put on.  Two minutes later, she came out of the bathroom and said, "These undies don't work."  I didn't know what she meant, and I didn't ask.  I gave her another pair, which she wore for the shots.

I'm someone who believes in good communcation between photog and llama, but I was afraid to ask what was the matter with the first pair.  I thought it might be something, um, female and, um, intimate, and I didn't need to have the conversation.  The undies were gauzy see-through in the back (not in the front), but she had worn such a pair before in another shoot.  So, I never found out.

Should I have asked?  Would you have?

What kind of undies?? I know in my opinion that thongs that are really thick in the back instead of thin like g-strings hurt like a bitch, at least for me. And if they're too small they rub in all the wrong places. Nothing makes you grumpier than underwear that rubs in all the wrong places!

wandering eye wrote:

*shrug* seems to me "How do you mean?" is a perfectly acceptable response to her statement.  She *was* communicating.  By your description of the situation you are the one who  ended the conversation.

Yes, I ended the conversation, by taking what appeared to me to be a pretty clear hint.  She made a cryptic remark and left me guessing.  That's unusual.  Most people, most of the time, would explain, without prodding, e.g. "these undies don't work, they're too small," or "these undies show more than I want to show," or whatever.  I sensed that there was a reason why she elected not to tell me the reason.  Instead, I said, "OK" and gave her another pair, and continued the shoot.  All worked out well.

Trevor Snyder wrote:
What I would have done is calmly taken the bra and panty set from her, gone into the bathroom, put it on and then emerged to show her that they did indeed "work."

OK that was just tonight's attempt at humor. I wouldn't really have done that. I would have simply asked what she meant.

Ha!