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19 year old wants to bring mum along to shoot?
I really would like to work with this particular model and we have had the shoot booked for two weeks but one day before the shoot she now wants to bring her mum along to this swimwear shoot. I am going to feel real uncomfortable having a parent around and I'm thinking about pulling the plug. Has anyone had this happen to them before? Thanks, Mike Mar 25 15 05:37 am Link Well if she were 17 I'd require a parent or guardian to be present so, why not? It's just a swimwear shoot. Mar 25 15 05:54 am Link Hi Mike I have not had the problem that your having however , I have had some models bring a friend or boyfriend and I just give them some simple rule before the shoot, I do cover all details of the shoot the what, where and how's so it all in the open no secrets or hidden agenda 1. you don't get paid by your friend so if they have advise keep it until after the shoot 2. any interference during the shoot, voids any contract we had for payment 3. No second chances, I leave the shoot if there is any interference. PS and yes I have left. this normally works because they normally work for payment and want payment after the shoot. (Last GER Photography he said in his post she was 19 years old) Mar 25 15 06:27 am Link trikeboy wrote: Pretty much this. Ended up doing three shoots with this model. Mom dropped her off and then picked her up after shoot. Mar 25 15 06:51 am Link trikeboy wrote: Hi Mike I have not had the problem that your having however , I have had some models bring a friend or boyfriend and I just give them some simple rule before the shoot, I do cover all details of the shoot the what, where and how's so it all in the open no secrets or hidden agenda 1. you don't get paid by your friend so if they have advise keep it until after the shoot 2. any interference during the shoot, voids any contract we had for payment 3. No second chances, I leave the shoot if there is any interference. PS and yes I have left. this normally works because they normally work for payment and want payment after the shoot. (Last GER Photography he said in his post she was 19 years old) Pretty much this. Ended up doing three shoots with this model. Mom dropped her off and then picked her up after shoot. I agree with these guys. This has happened to me on three occasions and all three shoots went really well. Two of the models came back for 2nd or 3rd shoots without mom, one nude, and we had great shoots each time. I seriously doubt that you have a problem. However, if you cancel the shoot for this reason it will surely raise some suspicions in the mothers mind. I say go ahead with it. JR Mar 25 15 07:03 am Link In my experience anyone else coming with the model has a very good chance of impairing or ruining the shoot. I have allowed it about 5 times and 3 of those times it ruined the shoot and my relationship with the model. I just got asked if a girl could bring her friend that I met the other night. I knew the girl she wanted to bring was loud, hyper and clumsy. So I said no. And told her that if she wanted to bring a professional MUA or Hairstylist that would add to the shoot and that I would be ok with that, or her checking in by phone every hour. She came alone and we had the most fun shoot I have had and we were very productive. I know it would have been a waste of time if the other girl came. Mar 25 15 07:19 am Link East Coast Pose wrote: I have no problem with the model bring her mother. Just make sure you have a seat for her away form were you will be working. Mar 25 15 07:25 am Link Pull the plug. That's weird Mar 25 15 07:32 am Link Novice models often overestimate the strength of their bargaining position, so the less experience, the more demands for a chaperone. Modeling is a competitive pursuit, there will always be other options available to you. NEXT! I've never had an escort problem as I only shoot grown ups. Mar 25 15 08:25 am Link East Coast Pose wrote: I think she wants to feel safe. I think as a photographer you have to be able to work in any kind of environment regardless of the conditions. Yes creativity flow might be hindered by her mother there but just remember she is a model and a professional and probably until she gets to know you a little better, that second person is just a safety net that will give her confidence to work in a better flow. With all of the crazy things you read online lately safety is important to some people. Mar 25 15 08:39 am Link There are no rules -- it's neither "right" or "wrong" for a teenaged model to bring a parent to a shoot. If it is something that makes you uncomfortable, it's okay to cancel the shoot. There are compromises, like... ... Giving the mother a tour and then asking her to get lost, returning at a predesignated time. ... Bringing your mom, asking your mom to pay attention to (or sit with) her mom in a separate room. ... Check the mom's references. ... Discuss "rules" like the mom will be asked to leave if she interferes with either you or the model. ... etc. I had a model show up for a nude fine art shoot with her mother in tow, unannounced. That's worse. For the record, the mom fell asleep in my big comfy chair. Mar 25 15 08:53 am Link 
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica East Coast Pose wrote: I won't assume anything, but the whole 'escort' thing should have been discussed when the shoot was set up. Mar 25 15 09:17 am Link You're kidding right? Never prevent a model from bringing a chaperone. That person is there for the model's comfort, not yours. Even if it is the mom. Mom has been around long enough to know to stay out of the way I bet. And it will create an atmosphere with the model that brings about a much better experience for the both of you. Mar 25 15 09:25 am Link we allow anyone who wants to participate. although i must say watching moms and daughters interact can be a bit awkward. so long as mom and the model and you are in sync about the type of shots you will be taking. i don't recall having a model bring a mom along for a nude shoot, though. Mar 25 15 09:28 am Link
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica JDS Fotographie wrote: Would love to know exactly how many models you've shot with up to this point, because your approach, while it may work for you, is pretty much the minority opinion. Mar 25 15 09:28 am Link While I'm no fan of escorts, my question to you would be why would YOU feel uncomfortable that she wants to bring her mother along to the shoot?? I've shot a few of-age models in swimwear with their mothers in tow and it went just fine. They help with things and are generally positive. Unless you were hoping for more than a shoot with this girl?? Mar 25 15 09:35 am Link When I first started shooting, about 10 years ago, I had a shoot with 19 year old model that brought her Mother along. The shoot was a Glamour a Nude / Lingerie shoot taking place in a luxury condo in the city of Dana Point in Southern California. I met them at a local coffee shop and the followed me to the condo shoot location about 10 blocks away. After we entered the gated community and then the condo, I showed the model to the bathroom so she is put down her bags. The mother told me that her daughter had recently purchased a few new really pretty lingerie for this and another shoot she later that week. After that the mother went out to the patio which was off the living room area where I would be shooting the model, sat at the patio table and started to read. For the next two hours I shot the model in various manner of being in lingerie, topless and fully nude in the living room and dining room area both of which were clearly visible from the patio. The model never once glanced out to the patio for any kind of approval from her mother and gave me her full attention. The shoot went extremely well and I got some truly beautiful images. When the shot was over and while the model was changing back into her street clothes, her mother came inside from the patron and she and I talked for a few minutes. The mother mentioned the she did glance inside from time to time and thought that the poses / sets looked very good from her vantage point on the patio. When the model finished getting dressed, she joined me and her mother in the iving room, signed the model release and I paid her for the shoot. I walk them to the door, instructed them on how to exit the complex, thanked the model for the shoot and we all said our goodbyes. Never had a problem with the mother at all and she did not affect the shoot in any kind of negative way! I actually had been told by another photographer who had shot her that she might bring her mother or her father to the shoot. As a note, a couple years later the same model appeared in Penthouse. Mar 25 15 10:00 am Link JDS Fotographie wrote: I agree with half of this, and completely disagree with the other half of this. Mar 25 15 10:12 am Link JDS Fotographie wrote: Outside of playpens like MM and OMP bring parents and chaperone's to test or paid sessions doesn't happen. I've had over protective mothers ruin shoots and actually make their adult children nervous or uncomfortable. Its often hard enough for a new model to emote or be sexy or confident with strangers but add into that a judgmental parent. I prefer to work with adults who are strong enough to do things on their own. Mom or dad can meet me and return later. You have every right of course to do as you please but saying never prevent a model from bringing a chaperon is a personal choice and not how most pro or advanced shooters work. Mar 25 15 10:53 am Link My models know up fron that shoots are one on one, unless a MUA, etc. is involved. (Underage being the exception) With locals, we often have a meeting a week or 2 before. It is again made clear & agreed that bodyguards are not welcome. Those that agree, shoot. Those that don't, shoot with someone else. OK either way, when arranged ahead. I have had one local newbie, last year, who I met with ahead, as normal, and we both understood & agreed to those conditions, & she was excited to shoot. Day of the shoot, one hour before, I phoned for final confirmation, she springs that her mother wants to come! I reminded her that the conditions had been understood & agreed beforehand. Needless to say, with her unreasonable last minute bait & switch demand, shoot did not happen! I advised that, in future stick to what was already agreed and don't throw in changes 1 hour before!! It was not a great loss not shooting that particular wanna be. The bigger concerns were her not sticking to what was agreed, and the change on extremely short notice!! Meant that that shoot session was wasted, as I could have been shooting with someone else! Same result as someone flaking on me! No 2nd chances! Mar 25 15 01:41 pm Link Find another model with no baggage / Problem Mar 25 15 05:02 pm Link Does not bother me. I usually charge extra for spectators. Just curious though, how old is she? Mar 25 15 05:24 pm Link Patrick Walberg wrote: Not to be *that* guy, but... Mar 25 15 05:27 pm Link Good Egg Productions wrote: like you, I'm not a fan of "escorts" as they can get rather expensive. Now if they want to pay me to shoot their pictures, well that's a different story! So I ask a lot of questions that pertain to motives of having other people at shoots. I'm like Lt Columbo, see ... Mar 25 15 05:40 pm Link DespayreFX wrote: Well hey! If the moms the right age, I'm single! Mar 25 15 05:42 pm Link i require all girls to bring an escort. this way they are comfortable and at ease in front of the camera. if you are unwilling to let the models mother come to the shoot, then you are a backyard photographer and not a professional. a professional photographer would have no problem having anyone at the shoot. they would also know how to handle the situation. if you are not a perv then you shouldnt be scared of a girl you're not sleeping withs mother. Mar 25 15 06:03 pm Link Nephilum Photography wrote: What exactly is a backyard photographer? It sounds like a insult. Most pros I know of only allow those directly involved with the shoot to attend. A MUA or stylist. Some shoot in their backyards as well. Perhaps they lack your skill set or are pervs. You are free to allow anyone you choose at your sessions but PLEASE don't ever think you speak for anyone else and especially what working professional shooters do. Mar 25 15 06:14 pm Link Brooklyn Bridge Images wrote: I'd do this.. Mar 25 15 06:21 pm Link Nephilum Photography wrote: Cool, now I know who makes the rules about who is and isn't a professional...I always wondered who was in charge of that... Does every profession have one person that dictates these things, or is this a photographer-specific thing? Mar 25 15 06:25 pm Link OMG will you people stop already with this Escorts / No Escorts stuff! What the heck go ahead beat the dead mule some more, this is hopeless! Mar 26 15 07:33 am Link Obviously to allow or not allow a chaperone/escort is a personal decision only you can make. These are a few of the reasons I am not a fan of allowing escorts: 1. If a model views me as a threat, I'd rather just move onto a model who does not than work with one who feels she needs to be safeguarded. 2. You've now doubled the number of people the shoot relies on and therefore increased the odds of cancelation or flaking. The escort is most likely even less vested than the model. 3. More negatives overall with no added return. In addition to the above, an additional person is another person who can get hurt, steal something, get in the way, etc. but in contrast to say a MUA, they add nothing to the quality of the shoot. Mar 26 15 08:31 am Link TheNormGallerys wrote: But it's so much fun! Abbitt Photography wrote: Now THAT is the one and only true answer! Everything else is just an opinion. Mar 26 15 10:16 am Link
Photographer Posts: 4288 Amundsen-Scott - permanent station of the US, Unclaimed Sector, Antarctica Nephilum Photography wrote: You have stated your opinion and I will state mine. Mar 26 15 10:30 am Link East Coast Pose wrote: Why does it matter to you*? Just have the mom sit in the other room. Problem solved. Both should feel comfortable. Mar 26 15 10:58 am Link salvatori. wrote: I 2nd the motion !!! Mar 26 15 12:14 pm Link salvatori. wrote: Calling another persons opinion "horseshit" is absolutely rude! Mar 26 15 12:26 pm Link Melissa Kat wrote: OMG! You are 102 years old? Mar 26 15 12:31 pm Link Patrick Walberg wrote: The person that was referred to was not the op, and his opinion kinda was horsepoop. Mar 26 15 12:33 pm Link My profile clearly states my stance on escorts, models can decide for themselves if they choose work with me based on it. Simple as that Mar 26 15 01:02 pm Link DespayreFX wrote: I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, the OP is new to the forums, and the question asked by the OP is as ancient as the Earth itself. ... at least it seems that way. I did not mean that the OP's question was "horseshit" ... but I meant to direct it at salvatori, who is certainly NOT new here, and should know better than to call other peoples opinions "horseshit" I know that salvatori was directly his own "horseshit" opinion at someone else, not the OP. I would never tell anyone that there is a right or wrong way of dealing with the issue of having other people commonly called "escorts" at photo shoots. The reason that this topic comes up so often on the forums is that there is no right or wrong answer. It is completely subjective and up to the photographer to decide. I happen to allow some people to be guests at my photo shoots, but not everyone, Mar 26 15 01:17 pm Link |
