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Had a question about blacklisting people.
I have seen photographers, event coordinators, models, and fashion show managers, blacklist people which they would never work with again, and list either their names, or MM#, for reference. They will usually put it in a section of their page, saying, either "I will never work with this person again, they are unreliable, and their MM# is ____", or they will give a general warning about working with them, and give their stage name. If I have been discriminated against for my disability when I'd applied for a fashion show, can I mention on my MM profile that I would not suggest working with them because they discriminate against working with people such as myself for having a disability that has nothing to do with my modeling? Just curious, because I feel so much I should, so that models who have ailments are warned against working with them, because I know a lot who do have disabilities, and can still model, but I really want to prevent anyone from ever feeling discriminated against by this person again. Please lend me your thoughts, they are much appreciated...I definitely don't want to do anything that would start a war, or be inappropriate... Thanks and I very much appreciate each and every one of your comments! Apr 07 14 10:32 pm Link No because it looks unprofessional - tit for tat, for lack of a better term. No proof that what you are saying did happen and I'm not trying to start an argument. I won't work with someone who does this because I fear if I make a mistake I might be on such a list, no thanks! LOL Apr 07 14 10:48 pm Link There's no mention of any disability in your [lengthy] profile notes. Is it possible that the other party was disgruntled simply because you failed to mention it up front? It seems odd that on the one hand you say you've been discriminated against because of your disability whilst on the other hand you choose not to make people aware of it - at least not those who might be considering working with you based on your notes. Discrimination might be an issue (impossible to comment based on what you've said) as might non-disclosure. In any case, as said above, the risk of black-listing people is that photographers and clients will tend to infer negatives about you too. Your notes are already on the lengthy side (and written in a way that would discourage me from working with you anyway) so giving people another reason to potentially tip the balance against you is probably unwise. Apr 07 14 11:43 pm Link It depends on the type of "discrimination" and the venue or situation. What some may consider discrimination may be considered standard acceptable practice in certain industries if applicable, as unfair as it may seem. For example: Someone in a wheelchair would probably be turned down to try out for a pro basketball team, or if they did, would not make the team. In other job markets, that may be considered discrimination. In that case, it is not. Or a runway show looking for tall models to walk and showcase a certain clothing line turns down a short model with MS. As cruel as it seems, it is acceptable to not use that person. Now, I don't know your exact disability or situation, but if it is something that, whatever it is, should make no difference to your performance or your ability to promote or help that agency; and you know was out of pure discrimination without affecting them, then you have a right to post something in your profile. It's not professional to go on about the details or bad mouth them. Just a simple "would not recommend working with..." If someone asks specifics, then you can give details in a PM. Apr 07 14 11:44 pm Link The thing about a blacklist is you may as well include your own name on top, it just looks unprofessional. Apr 08 14 10:56 am Link It tends to make you look like you concentrate on the negative as opposed to the positive. Models have to endure rejection after rejection after rejection for countless fair or unfair reasons. It's just part of the job. Better to just leave it behind you and hit the next go-see. Apr 08 14 11:04 am Link All you're allowed to say is "I do not recommend MM#xxxx" You're NOT allowed to say way, and either way, making a list will just cause you to appear as if you have a lot of problems with people. That's not going to attract others to work with you. Just my $0.02 etc. etc. Apr 08 14 11:06 am Link Is it possible that it wasn't your disability that kept you from being accepted into this fashion show? The crappy thing about this industry is that clients choose based solely on what they're looking for. If they can't use you because your feet are too big, that's a disqualifier. If they can't use you because you can't walk, then that's a disqualifier. If they don't like your lips, they will disqualify you. Sorry, but that's really the way it is. I shoot for a fitness clothing company. They ONLY hire fit, young, pretty models to be their image. Should they be forced to hire a percentage of older people or people 100 pounds overweight? Apr 08 14 11:09 am Link Silly drama. Small minds. Petty behavior. These are people to avoid. Apr 08 14 11:12 am Link Sounds good. I don't normally go for negativity, I just felt I was choosing between professionalism and standing up for myself, but it seems clear from all the answers, I should not do that, and perhaps should state the situation upfront at everything I apply for, I agree with that very much, and will begin the steps to do so. Now to put together a professional blurb about it, to include on my portfolio. I might have to go to the questions section and ask that, as it is a very particular question. What I would like to say in the blurb that the disability does not keep me from modeling, just driving. This is always important as for any event, they need to know you have reliable transportation arranged, which I do, very much. Thanks so much everyone for your very honest answers, I really do appreciate it, and no hard feelings here, I really respect the honesty!  Apr 08 14 03:20 pm Link Mandy Star wrote: It's good policy, and professional, to be up front about anything that might affect the photo shoot. I think brief and to the point is good enough without going into personal details. There are lots of people who have disabilities to one extent or another. Apr 08 14 03:51 pm Link Click Hamilton wrote: Thanks for your support and help Apr 09 14 12:53 am Link Did they actually tell you that they wouldn't hire you for the show because of this disability? Apr 09 14 06:44 pm Link as reasons already posted, it's not a good idea. Instead, if you must have a blacklist, keep it private. Apr 09 14 07:08 pm Link Amber Dawn - Colorado wrote: Basically, she said she didn't want to take the risk of me possibly not showing and having to find a replacement model because of the disability, and that if I was this sensitive about my situation I'm in the wrong career; also, that people have lied before to get into shows about medical situations, which really was the bad part, I felt. Like I said, I'm in between sticking up for myself and being fair with others here. I felt like she was saying this was as prestigious as a show in Paris for Jean Paul Gaultier, when the name of this local fashion boutique actually implies prostitution. Apr 15 14 03:16 am Link I don't think a "Do not recommend" list is a good idea. I saw a photographer's profile with over 50 models on his "do not recommend list". Seriously, it makes me think the problem is with HIM, not the models. Apr 15 14 03:43 am Link Jeff Fiore wrote: +1 Apr 15 14 06:59 am Link Mandy Star wrote: This would be considered "outing", and that is not permitted on this site. If you really want to spread the word, you should use another site, and never mention the persons MM number og MM username. And; it WILL come back and bite you in the butt in the end. Apr 15 14 07:41 am Link JohnEnger wrote: As I said before a few posts ago, Apr 15 14 10:45 pm Link |
