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Photographer
The Glamour Cartel
Posts: 72
New York, New York, US


Some of the best light for head shots is indirect sunlight or diffused window light. It is continuous and encompassing enough to give your subject a lot of freedom. This comes in handy when your subject isn't a professional model.

http://i47.tinypic.com/2610leh.jpg

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Peter Hurley's solution is a sqaure combination of Kinoflo banks
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http://i47.tinypic.com/2py3y9h.jpg
http://learningdslr.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/kino-flo-500x279.png
http://connierenda.com/uploads/connie_slideshow_5.jpg

But a 2 panel solution also comes close, and will likely require a little more retouching than the 4 panels

http://i50.tinypic.com/mjyb9e.jpg

I'm looking for a solution that is affordable and a lot more portable.

Litepanels has a large Cinema grade LED ring light
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5 … ystem.html
But it cost over $8k

Anyone have any affordable and portable suggestions?
Aug 08 12 08:32 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Oscar Partida
Posts: 726
San Diego, California, US


instead of those setups.i would try 1 Beauty Dish high above,slightly tilted with a reflector in the botom for fill i think it looks more modern and less bussy


,,look at Sean Armenta Beauty Lighting
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Oscar-Par … 143?ref=hl
smile
Aug 08 12 08:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
-Ira
Posts: 2,166
New York, New York, US


What exactly are you trying to achieve?

Your examples are all quite different.
Aug 08 12 08:54 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Glamour Cartel
Posts: 72
New York, New York, US


-Ira wrote:
What exactly are you trying to achieve?

Your examples are all quite different.

I forgot people don't read. The first image is window light. The next images are of Peter Hurley's setup and his images. His images aren't very different from each other.

Aug 08 12 08:56 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Glamour Cartel
Posts: 72
New York, New York, US


Oscar Partida wrote:
instead of those setups.i would try 1 Beauty Dish high above,slightly tilted with a reflector in the botom for fill i think it looks more modern and less bussy


smile

I like the beauty dish look. The problem is that your subject won't have as much room to maneuver. Also I want continuous light so that I won't have to wait for flash to reach its needed power. Florescent and LEDs maintain their output and color throughout the shoot. Not even the sun can do that.

Headshots aren't about highlighting photography. They are about showing your subject at their best. I know how to add shape and depth. The simple thing I need is portable continuous window type light. I thought the examples and descriptions in my post were pretty clear.

Aug 08 12 09:00 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
RennsportPhotography
Posts: 17,929
Cherry Hill, New Jersey, US


I light high in Umbrella or Halo, reflector below, one lite panel on each side. If you want add a hair light.
Nancy Brown described it in one of her books and was what she used for almost all head shots.

Works for me
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/050607/17/42a61c1172c0e_m.jpg
Aug 08 12 09:05 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Joseph Peffer
Posts: 274
Miami, Florida, US


I use natural light, most paid head shooters use HDMI's or LED on budget. I go outside and get the natural tones easily, no reflectors needed. Also depends on the style your going for, fashion, beauty, actor or business.
Aug 08 12 09:07 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Joseph Peffer
Posts: 274
Miami, Florida, US


http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120628/13/4fecbf641b4dc.jpg
Aug 08 12 09:08 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Erika Barker
Posts: 68
New York, New York, US


Hmm, try taking a Beauty Dish, with a diffusion sock, and set it about 15 feet away from your subject.  You want it to be slightly angle down on the subject so you can bounce light to avoid harsh shadows under the chin.  This can be a bit tricky, depending on what you want, but for this I would try to position the beauty dish so the center was slight above the subject's forehead. 

The trick here is to buy some poster boards that have a glossy surface, and put them all over the floor, and have your subject stand on them.  Use  2 32-inch reflectors, slighty angled up toward the subject, positioned at 45 degree angles in front of the subject's left and right side. 

If you want to get fancy, you can use some California Bounces as side reflectors, and lightly fire a strobe through them.

Shoot your subject at f/2.2 - tweak, and adjust your lighting. 

I hope this helps.  The secret is killing the shadows under the jaw.  So lot's of white stuff on the floor!
Aug 08 12 09:13 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Awesome Headshots
Posts: 2,344
San Ramon, California, US


Downward angle, natural light and a 4'X3' white board angled towards the chin, just below the chest area.
Aug 08 12 09:23 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
T-D-L
Posts: 9,981
Los Angeles, California, US


Large diffused modifier above, v-flats on both sides enveloping the subject, reflector below, maybe another pointed behind the subject bouncing off all the white surfaces of the v-flats for fill.  That's where I'd start...
Aug 08 12 09:48 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Jose Deida
Posts: 1,111
BLANDON, Pennsylvania, US


2 Elinchrom Ranger Quadra Head A To Go Set
2 20x51" Rotalux Strip Softbox
2 Elinchrom Ranger Quadra Reflector Adaptor for EL Reflectors

$3,608.88

or

http://cheesycam.com/ for some cheap continuous
Aug 08 12 09:49 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
ELiffmann
Posts: 1,376
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US


The answer you seek might be here.  If not, I'm sure you'll find something useful.    http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=96872
Aug 08 12 10:04 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Piscis Noctis
Posts: 10,997
Santa Rosa, California, US


Erika Barker  wrote:
Hmm, try taking a Beauty Dish, with a diffusion sock, and set it about 15 feet away from your subject.

you sure? :-P

Aug 08 12 10:15 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
L A U B E N H E I M E R
Posts: 8,214
Seattle, Washington, US


how about using a window and white piece of foam from home depot for a reflector....

http://archives.marklaubenheimer.com/image.php?image=/models/2012/08-07-2012_Masha_Victoria/masha3web07.jpg&quality=70&width=600
Aug 08 12 10:28 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Lumatic
Posts: 13,591
Chicago, Illinois, US


The Glamour Cartel wrote:

I like the beauty dish look. The problem is that your subject won't have as much room to maneuver. Also I want continuous light so that I won't have to wait for flash to reach its needed power. Florescent and LEDs maintain their output and color throughout the shoot. Not even the sun can do that.

Headshots aren't about highlighting photography. They are about showing your subject at their best. I know how to add shape and depth. The simple thing I need is portable continuous window type light. I thought the examples and descriptions in my post were pretty clear.

What about something like this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Photo-Studio-Pr … 2152wt_841

Aug 08 12 10:29 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,127
Upland, California, US


The Glamour Cartel wrote:
Some of the best light for head shots is indirect sunlight or diffused window light.

Totally agree... and I see sooooooo many photographers using loads of headshot lighting overkill... roll

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110303/22/4d7086e38892a.jpg

Shot of Britney taken in 100% window light... borat

Aug 08 12 10:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rudi Brooker
Posts: 377
Manchester, England, United Kingdom


The Glamour Cartel wrote:
...and encompassing enough to give your subject a lot of freedom. This comes in handy when your subject isn't a professional llama.

For headshots this is most important.  Forget anything that requires the subject to be fixed in a certain position or facing a certain way.  You want them to move around all over the place so they can relax and don't get tense.  Also, you need an easy light source that you can set and forget, so you can concentrate on them and not be fiddling with equipment.

The light source needs to be as big as possible, but still with some direction to give 3-dimensionality to the face.  As with traditional beauty lighting, the majority of the light should come from above.  Everything else is just fill or catchlights, or what I call Eye-socket Eliminators.

If you are using daylight, the easiest is to have a big window behind you.  Peter Hurley's box Kinoflo setup was (according to him) designed to replicate that.  Very easy to work with and good results.  Light from a side is problematic if that happens to be the side of the llama you don't want to be brighter.

Personally I wouldn't use continuous lighting because llamas don't like it and they end up with watery eyes.  I typically shoot headshots at f/2.8, and with strobes close to the llama, recycle time is a non issue.  The strobes recycle faster than I can focus and shoot.

Cheapest simplest option with nowhere to bounce? - I'd recommend the biggest umbrella you can get and a reflector.

If you really want continuous light and cheap, a basic halogen light into an umbrella world be fine if heat is manageable.

My headshot page
My headshot blog

Aug 09 12 02:51 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Select Models
Posts: 35,127
Upland, California, US


Read Bethany's comment under this pic on the MM port... and I'm not the arguing type... wink

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120626/22/4feaa14185200.jpg
The solution?... shooting between double makeup mirrors... borat
Aug 09 12 03:41 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Camerosity
Posts: 4,769
Saint Louis, Missouri, US


There's a simple but very effective headshot setup that I learned at one of JT Smith's Supershoots workshops last year and have used for many of the headshots I've done in the past 11 months or so.

Two large softboxes arranged in an inverted V shape (they come together and form a point at the top). One large Photoflex-style reflector below and slightly in front of the softboxes - about waist level on the model and angled back slightly toward the model.

The model stands under the V. You can turn the softboxes to feather the light or change the ratio (which normally is 1:1) - or just leave them in the basic V as in my avatar (below).

Simple, no?

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111211/16/4ee5465768aea.jpg
Aug 09 12 04:04 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Creative Concept Studio
Posts: 2,499
Fort Worth, Texas, US


Homemade solution:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7072/7387400440_da6aa9d2ca_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7088/7387399540_1de3e2d187_z.jpg

Camera     Nikon D800
Exposure     0.006 sec (1/160)
Aperture     f/1.4
Focal Length     85 mm
ISO Speed     100
Aug 09 12 04:26 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
B R U N E S C I
Posts: 25,319
Bath, England, United Kingdom


nvm
Aug 09 12 05:07 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Yen Studios
Posts: 747
Memphis, Tennessee, US


If you are looking for a Peter Hurley look (which I personally don't like) you can use one strip light on each side of the camera and your background will depend on what you want.  By the way my profile pic is window light
Aug 09 12 07:35 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Leighthenubian
Posts: 2,602
Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Oscar Partida wrote:
instead of those setups.i would try 1 Beauty Dish high above,slightly tilted with a reflector in the botom for fill i think it looks more modern and less bussy


,,look at Sean Armenta Beauty Lighting
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Oscar-Par … 143?ref=hl
smile

This...

Aug 09 12 09:29 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Wild Image Media
Posts: 173
Canberra, Australian Capital Territory, Australia


Mark Laubenheimer wrote:
how about using a window and white piece of foam from home depot for a reflector....

http://archives.marklaubenheimer.com/image.php?image=/models/2012/08-07-2012_Masha_Victoria/masha3web07.jpg&quality=70&width=600

Nicely done, cost effective

Aug 09 12 12:42 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
The Glamour Cartel
Posts: 72
New York, New York, US


I took these pictures outdoors. I stood the subject under a building awning just at the edge of the shade. It's some of the most diffused light possible. He's also getting sunlight bouncing off of the sidewalk for fill. Peter Hurley's lighting is similar to this with Kino's. If I could find an affordable and portable way to get this type of light continually in studio i'd be golden.

http://i45.tinypic.com/30mpz08.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/1zcjwwh.jpg
Just in case anyone is curious [ISO 100 f2, 85mm on a 20D]

I wonder if LED Fresnels would be cool enough to put softboxes on. In which case I'd still have to worry about attaching them. A Fresnel through an umbrella may do the trick but i'm sure there'd be a hot spot to contend with.
Sep 03 12 08:31 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Mortonovich
Posts: 5,087
San Diego, California, US


I use a ring flash I rigged that cost about $20.00.
Here's the DIY thread:
http://secure.modelmayhem.com/po.php?th … age=1#last

Sample:
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f249/mortophoto/Geena-2012-07-03-085.jpg
Sep 03 12 09:34 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Artifice
Posts: 30,983
Los Angeles, California, US


http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110822/20/4e532176a34b4_m.jpg

Pure window light. sitting, so the light would trend from above.
Sep 03 12 11:33 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Artifice
Posts: 30,983
Los Angeles, California, US


http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120325/00/4f6ecd8edb7be_m.jpg

A soft-box parallel to a reflector. Model sandwiched in between but placed toward the back of the sandwich, so that most of both surfaces were in front of her.
Sep 03 12 11:35 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Artifice
Posts: 30,983
Los Angeles, California, US


http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110805/00/4e3ba02b991b8_m.jpg

She's facing straight at a window.
Sep 03 12 11:36 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
K I S S P H O T O
Posts: 535
Swansea, Wales, United Kingdom


I love natural light but sometimes there just isnt enough light coming through the windows.
natura light
http://www.staceyclarkephoto.com/img/portrait/portrait_01.jpg

beautydish
http://www.staceyclarkephoto.com/img/portrait/portrait_03.jpg

id love to see a solution on making studio light look likewindow light!
Sep 04 12 01:08 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
robert christopher
Posts: 2,677
Snohomish, Washington, US


i used 4 of these in the peter hurley style for this headshot of amelia

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-Photogr … 630wt_1165

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120808/14/5022de0e6388c_m.jpg


for my avatar i used one beauty dish above and a silver reflector under, chest high
Sep 04 12 05:00 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
robert christopher
Posts: 2,677
Snohomish, Washington, US


K I S S P H O T O wrote:
I love natural light but sometimes there just isnt enough light coming through the windows.
natura light

id love to see a solution on making studio light look likewindow light!

this is the closest i have found for the window light look, at least in my small studio

http://www.backdropoutlet.com/WALL-OF-L … o/SCW1000/

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120731/21/5018b54d0249d_m.jpg

Sep 04 12 05:05 am  Link  Quote 
Photographer
You Can Call Me Pierre
Posts: 711
Montreal, Quebec, Canada


Here is my attempt with a setup inspired by Peter Hurley's lighting :
http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120306/20/4f56e44bc5335.jpg
I used 6 speedlights, a trio of YN-560, one YN-565 and a pair of SB-900. 

My suggestion for an affordable and portable suggestions is setting up a wall of 4 4x8 white foamcore panels behind you and bouncing a quartet of YN-560, 50USD each, with the wide angle diffuser deployed, or set at 24mm.  You will need another pair of YN-560 for the background.

A continuous alternative that's affordable would be work lights from Home Depot.
Sep 04 12 05:22 pm  Link  Quote 
Photographer
Rick Edwards
Posts: 6,150
Wilmington, Delaware, US


98% of my stuff is window light
Sep 04 12 05:24 pm  Link  Quote 
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