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Anna Adrielle
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I don't know why exactly but this makes me very happy big_smile

Brazilian plus size model Fluvia Lacerda in playboy Brazil!
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_liz4agdOrg1qgbaad.jpg

good for her smile

has this happened before? a plus size model in playboy (and I don't mean some random fat chick, I mean really a plus size model)
Apr 02 11 02:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Lifestyle_Photographer
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Salem, Connecticut, US


She is beautiful !
- Phen
Apr 02 11 02:32 pm  Link  Quote 
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Big A-Larger Than Life
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The Woodlands, Texas, US


Gorgeous!  I don't know anything about models that have been in Playboy since I'm not familiar with it, so don't know the answer to your question.  She's very pretty, though.  Damn those Brazilians and their awesome genes lol.
Apr 02 11 02:33 pm  Link  Quote 
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Wysiwyg Photography
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Not actually a new thing.. if you go through all the issues of playboy from the 70's back... they are all 'technically' plus sized models.. because they were not size 4 or less... and plus sized models are mostly size 10 and up.

Good for her.. but she isn't the first smile.. well... maybe the first in a long time.

ETA:
One that comes to mind.. Miss September of '61
http://guanabee.com/wordpress/wp-conten … 50x981.jpg 18+ish... (Due to sheer clothing)

AND Miss October of '64 (she had a BMI of 23.4)
Apr 02 11 02:34 pm  Link  Quote 
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T A R I K
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BRONX, New York, US


it makes me happy as well
Apr 02 11 02:37 pm  Link  Quote 
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Koryn
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Wysiwyg Photography wrote:
Not actually a new thing.. if you go through all the issues of playboy from the 70's back... they are all 'technically' plus sized models.. because they were not size 4 or less... and plus sized models are mostly size 10 and up.

Good for her.. but she isn't the first smile.. well... maybe the first in a long time.

This.

My theory is that, back before implants were so common, if one wanted to create pin-up images featuring big-breasted women, they had to use fuller-figured models.

It's kind of rare to see very slender-figured women (such as many of today's glamor models) with low body-fat, who also carry natural DD breasts. It happens - my mother is actually built this way - but it's not very common.

Now that many women have augmentations, thin women, with little extra body-fat, can easily have big breasts. In the 60s and 70s, when few women had those types of augmentations, pin-up magazines had to select among larger women if they wanted bigger boobies.

Apr 02 11 02:42 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bare Essential Photos
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Sure, during the late 1950's & 60's, Playboy had many plus size models as playmates. While their dress sizes weren't printed, it was obvious by their height and weight that they were sizes 8-12. They were curvy, voluptuous, and beautiful. My kind of women. It was actually the norm. By the 70's, however, Playboy started going to the twiggy (petite) look. Playboy as been going downhill ever since, in my opinion.


Gabby
Apr 02 11 02:45 pm  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
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Bare Essential Photos wrote:
Sure, during the late 1950's & 60's, Playboy had many plus size models as playmates. While their dress sizes weren't printed, it was obvious by their height and weight that they were sizes 8-12. They were curvy, voluptuous, and beautiful. My kind of women. It was actually the norm. By the 70's, however, Playboy starting going to the twiggy (petite) look.


Gabby

not every curvy, voluptuous woman is a plus size model. I'm sure the women back then were sometimes a bit fuller than the average model you see today, but that's not exactly what i'm talking about wink

oh and fluvia is a size 16, very hourglass-y, with very round hips

http://www.caras.com.br/imagens/117462/20091119133544_117462_large_fluvia-lacerda.jpg

Apr 02 11 02:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sophia Be
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Anna Nicole Smith did Playboy a while back and she is definitely plus in the pics. She looked amazing, I actually bought that issue and still have it.
Apr 02 11 02:48 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cherilyn Fontaine
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Playboy issue #1 released in 1953 had Marilyn Monroe who was between a size 8/10 @ 5'5"
Anna Nicole Smith Measurements: 39D-27-39 @ 5'10" 1993 Playmate of the Year
I'm sure there have been quite a few others...
xoxo
Apr 02 11 02:53 pm  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
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Cherilyn Fontaine wrote:
Playboy issue #1 released in 1953 had Marilyn Monroe who was between a size 8/10 @ 5'5"
Anna Nicole Smith Measurements: 39D-27-39 @ 5'10" 1993 Playmate of the Year
I'm sure there have been quite a few others...
xoxo

marilyn was more of a size 6, and she was petite. gorgeous ofcourse, but not a plus size model.

I guess anna nicole smith does count, but nobody else since then? that's kind of sad isn't it big_smile

Apr 02 11 02:57 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bare Essential Photos
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Marianne,

You need to do your research. I stand by my comments. 


Gabby
Apr 02 11 02:58 pm  Link  Quote 
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Anna Adrielle
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Bare Essential Photos wrote:
Marianne,

You need to do your research. I stand by my comments.


Gabby

my research? I know what a plus size model is... in this particular case, i'm not talking about a curvy voluptuous woman who does modelling. I'm talking about a plus size model. your examples, although great to hear, were not an answer to my question.

Apr 02 11 02:59 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cherilyn Fontaine
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Marianne Michaela wrote:

marilyn was more of a size 6, and she was petite. gorgeous ofcourse, but not a plus size model.

I guess anna nicole smith does count, but nobody else since then? that's kind of sad isn't it big_smile

Marilyn wore an 8 at her smallest and darn near a 16 at her biggest and her dresses and measurements are on display as proof to her stats...or just use the internet smile
xoxo

Apr 02 11 03:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bare Essential Photos
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Marianne,

I certainly did address your inquiry. I mentioned by their height and weight they were plus models. Also, some other MMer's are saying there were plus size models prior to my comments, as well.

Not only that, but on a previous port describing London Andrews as a plus size model, which she isn't due to her height, you didn't contest it eventhough you were contributing to that thread prior to and after her being mentioned. And, yes, I did a photoshoot with London Andrews so I know she isn't a plus size model. Hmm ... I think you're letting other elements influence your comments.

Gabby
Apr 02 11 03:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Cherilyn Fontaine wrote:

Marilyn wore an 8 at her smallest and darn near a 16 at her biggest and her dresses and measurements are on display as proof to her stats...or just use the internet smile
xoxo

http://jezebel.com/#!5299793/for-the-la … lyn-monroe

trust me, at 5'5, she would have been pretty much obese if she was ever a size 16 (I'm a size 16, and I'm 6'1...)
and sizes were different back then, a size 8 then is not the same as an 8 now.

but she was ofcourse very curvy and incredibly sexy, so we can agree on that!

Apr 02 11 03:06 pm  Link  Quote 
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Leonard Gee Photography
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I think Miriam Gonzalez, Playmate of the Month for March 2001

And Nancy Cameron, January 1974

There were also those who were agency models that became playmates. I think Shanon Tweed was one. So certainly not all were plus sized.
Apr 02 11 03:09 pm  Link  Quote 
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Rich Burroughs
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Random fat chicks are bad then?
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Sophia Be
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Marianne Michaela wrote:

http://jezebel.com/#!5299793/for-the-la … lyn-monroe

trust me, at 5'5, she would have been pretty much obese if she was ever a size 16 (I'm a size 16, and I'm 6'1...)
and sizes were different back then, a size 8 then is not the same as an 8 now.

but she was ofcourse very curvy and incredibly sexy, so we can agree on that!

A pattern size 16 is not a "off the rack" size 16

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Rich Burroughs wrote:
Random fat chicks are bad then?

haha, no, certainly not big_smile
just saying that that's not what i mean in this thread by plus size model, I mean plus size model defined by agency standards wink

Apr 02 11 03:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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BettyFace
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Model and dress standard sizing has changed since the '60s.
A vintage 8 is a modern 2-4. A vintage 16 is a modern 10.

Models usually featured in old Playboys were mostly around a modern 6-8. This does not, in any way, make them plus size models. A modern plus model is a tall 10-18, depending on your market. Big boobs and an hourglass shape does not a plus model make.
Apr 02 11 03:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Anushka Bella
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For the people talking shit:
Fluvia Lacerda is VERY curvy and has done lots of Commercial & Fashion work. She is THE curviest model playboy has had yet to this day. Let's just be happy for the girl and this achievement!

Congrats!!

P.S. This is MY opinion and I'm not looking for a forum bicker and be diverted from the main topic, which is this big success.
Apr 02 11 03:14 pm  Link  Quote 
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theda
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New York, New York, US


Cherilyn Fontaine wrote:
Marilyn wore an 8 at her smallest and darn near a 16 at her biggest and her dresses and measurements are on display as proof to her stats...or just use the internet smile
xoxo

A size 8 in Marylin's day would accommodate her 36-23-35 frame.  That's roughly a 4 in modern sizes.  And when you take vanity sizing into consideration, a woman with 35" hips is often buying pants in size 0. 

She was at her largest during the making of Some Like it Hot (when pregnant and overeating), but she was never anywhere near the modern 16 that the subject of this thread would wear.  If you actually get up close to the dresses she wore in Some Like it Hot, you might be surprised to see how tiny they were.

Apr 02 11 03:17 pm  Link  Quote 
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Sophia Be
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Anushka Bella wrote:
For the people talking shit:
Fluvia Lacerda is VERY curvy and has done lots of Commercial & Fashion work. She is THE curviest model playboy has had yet to this day. Let's just be happy for the girl and this achievement!

Congrats!!

P.S. This is MY opinion and I'm not looking for a forum bicker and be diverted from the main topic, which is this big success.

Does it really matter if Playboy uses a "curvier then usual" model that's 5"9" or 5"7"?

Anyway, Hooray for variety!

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theda wrote:

A size 8 in Marylin's day would accommodate her 36-23-35 frame.  That's roughly a 4 in modern sizes.  And when you take vanity sizing into consideration, a woman with 35" hips is often buying pants in size 0. 

She was at her largest during the making of Some Like it Hot (when pregnant and overeating), but she was never anywhere near the modern 16 that the suject of this thread wears.  If you actually get up close to the dresses she wore in Some Like it Hot, you might be surprised to see how tiny they were.

When I use patterns to sew, the size of the pattern is crazy different then that of a standard size chart.

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yes, back to the topic smile

hoooray fluvia! hoooray playboy! hooray sexy women and diversity smile
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Marianne Michaela wrote:
yes, back to the topic smile

hoooray fluvia! hoooray playboy! hooray sexy women and diversity smile

She is curvy and your question was has it happened before.. and the answer was yes...

The difference between Anna Nichole Smith and Fluvia is 1"

Fluvia has a 13" difference from her waist to her hips
Where as Ms Smith had a 12" difference.

But this is not new to playboy, as I have stated if you look at Playboy pre-1970 almost all of them are curvy and +Sized by today's standards.

No one is saying that Fluvia isn't gorgeous, because she is gorgeous.
But she is not the first "Big Boobs, small waist, Big hips" model Playboy has had.

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Wysiwyg Photography wrote:

She is curvy and your question was has it happened before.. and the answer was yes...

The difference between Anna Nichole Smith and Fluvia is 1"

Fluvia has a 13" difference from her waist to her hips
Where as Ms Smith had a 12" difference.

But this is not new to playboy, as I have stated if you look at Playboy pre-1970 almost all of them are curvy and +Sized by today's standards.

No one is saying that Fluvia isn't gorgeous, because she is gorgeous.
But she is not the first "Big Boobs, small waist, Big hips" model Playboy has had.

oh no I'm not saying she's the first (if I knew, there would be no point in asking, right?).

but to be honest, I'm not talking about "big boobs, small waist, big hips" either, I'm talking about agency standard plus size models wink

But I see what you mean!

Apr 02 11 04:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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Alisyn Carliene
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Maybe PB is figuring out that some people like skinny, some like curvy. It's more marketable I think to honor both of these.
Apr 02 11 04:28 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
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Marilyn was a size 8 in the early stages of her career, and a size 10 later on.  She was indeed 5'5". 

Is height the only thing that makes you petite?  Not by definition.
1pe·tite
adj \pə-ˈtēt\
Definition of PETITE
: having a small trim figure —usually used of a woman

She was never considered petite by anyone at any time.  There is a Facebook page trying to change this, but, I doubt it'll get too much support.

5'5" is the low end of normal as far as dress manufacturers are concerned.  (height wise)
If a model is 5'2" and 200 lbs, is that petite?  I think not.

Where does plus size start?  Seems to start at size 12. 5'9"   Looking around at definitions, it looks as though Marilyn was not plus sized.  She was quite normal, even at size 10.
Apr 02 11 04:30 pm  Link  Quote 
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Great to hear and not really uncommon thankfully.  For a time PB avoided girls with implants so fuller figure was the order of the day.  Its a shame that has changed really.

And yes by todays standards Ms. Monroe was a plus size, she was young during when the photos were taken and by my eyes about a current size 10 US.  Lets keep in mind her size is well know (at different times) and from an era without much vanity sizes.  So one may need to convert, but there is no doubt by today's f* up'd standards she would be a plus size model.

Way to go Brazil!
Apr 02 11 04:40 pm  Link  Quote 
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theda
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New York, New York, US


AJScalzitti wrote:
Great to hear and not really uncommon thankfully.  For a time PB avoided girls with implants so fuller figure was the order of the day.  Its a shame that has changed really.

And yes by todays standards Ms. Monroe was a plus size, she was young during when the photos were taken and by my eyes about a current size 10 US.  Lets keep in mind her size is well know (at different times) and from an era without much vanity sizes.  So one may need to convert, but there is no doubt by today's f* up'd standards she would be a plus size model.

Way to go Brazil!

A current size 10 US????  No.  Her hips were about 35"-37", which is not plus sized even by today's standards. Keep in mind she was also a good 5" shorter than a plus sized model of today would be, so your eyes could be playing tricks on you if you're expecting a short)ish) size 10 to be proportioned like a tall size 10.

Jane Russell, on the other hand, was about a modern 10...
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/ … 65-583.jpg

Apr 02 11 04:47 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
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AJScalzitti wrote:
And yes by todays standards Ms. Monroe was a plus size, she was young during when the photos were taken and by my eyes about a current size 10 US.

Not by any standards I'm able to find on the Internet was she a plus sized model at any time in her career.  Too short (5'5") and too thin (size 10.)

"Marilyn Monroe was not even close to a size 12."
from Marilyn Monroe's dressmaker:
Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Weight: 118-140 pounds
Bust: 35-37 inches
Waist: 22-23 inches
Hips: 35-36 inches
Bra size: 36D

From a fashion editor who tried on her clothes in 2009:
  "Contrary to received wisdom, she was not a size 16 -- quite the opposite.  ...for most of the early part of her career, she was a size 8 and even in the plumper stages, was no more than a 10.

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Nadirah B
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WTF

WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT MARILYN

FUR

GOD'Z

SAKE

PEOPLE...

She wasn't a plus model, she was curvy and pretty full looking at some points.

SO? She isn't a plus model. She is a celebrity, an actress, a brand...

Must everything turn into some debate about Marilyn? Jesus - H - Christ on a Cross!?
Apr 02 11 05:02 pm  Link  Quote 
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theda
Posts: 21,711
New York, New York, US


Nadirah B wrote:
WTF

WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT MARILYN

FUR

GOD'Z

SAKE

PEOPLE...

Must everything turn into some debate about Marilyn? Jesus - H - Christ on a Cross!?

It's either her or Kate Moss.

Apr 02 11 05:03 pm  Link  Quote 
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Nadirah B
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Los Angeles, California, US


theda wrote:

It's either her or Kate Moss.

Why are you even getting into that totally taking the attention off the OP?

Fluvia got into Playboy...now can she get into US Playboy?

Let's keep the convo where it needs to go

Apr 02 11 05:04 pm  Link  Quote 
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Bare Essential Photos
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Upland, California, US


Well, if it wasn't for height, Jeneva Jones (MM #118971) would probably be the no.1 plus size model right now in the USA. She's a reincarnation of the 60's Playboy Playmate.

Gabby
Apr 02 11 05:11 pm  Link  Quote 
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egyptmachine
Posts: 11,360
El Paso, Texas, US


Nadirah B wrote:
WTF

WE AREN'T TALKING ABOUT MARILYN

FUR

GOD'Z

SAKE

PEOPLE...

She wasn't a plus model, she was curvy and pretty full looking at some points.

SO? She isn't a plus model. She is a celebrity, an actress, a brand...

Must everything turn into some debate about Marilyn? Jesus - H - Christ on a Cross!?

Thank you, the whole Monroe issue is really beating a dead horse. 

For me, I wanna see more pictures of this knock out! She's gorgeous!

Apr 02 11 05:13 pm  Link  Quote 
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Carlos Occidental
Posts: 10,544
Pasadena, California, US


Not trying to be redundant.  Just clarifying some misconceptions.
Apr 02 11 05:26 pm  Link  Quote 
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RebeccaW
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Jacksonville, Florida, US


Hurray for Fluvia! She's absolutely beautiful! And I have the Anna Nicole Smith playboy too!
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