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Photography_by_Danny

Posts: 2

San Diego, California, US

Hey, I'm new to this website and perviously have only photographed family members and friends. So, positioning them right in front of the camera was no issue. When photographing strangers, women in particular, should I bring a female assistant to help out with posting my models and fixing their hair? I know that it is very often a no go for male photographers to touch a female model. Looking forward to your replies.

Aug 17 16 10:38 pm Link

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Shot By Adam

Posts: 8089

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Photography_by_Danny wrote:
Hey, I'm new to this website and perviously have only photographed family members and friends. So, positioning them right in front of the camera was no issue. When photographing strangers, women in particular, should I bring a female assistant to help out with posting my models and fixing their hair? I know that it is very often a no go for male photographers to touch a female model. Looking forward to your replies.

It's not entirely a bad idea to bring a female assistant in the beginning until you feel more comfortable giving directions to the model. With me, if it's something as simple as a hair adjustment, I just ask the model permission to make a small fix and they never have a problem with it. When it comes to body positioning, you just have to learn how to give good directions and explain what you need done. If the model is good, she'll adjust to your requests with no problem.

Aug 17 16 10:54 pm Link

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Photography_by_Danny

Posts: 2

San Diego, California, US

Thank you! Most of the time I try to mimic how I want my model to position her hand or body. There are just situations where I need to fix her hair and I wasn't sure if it would be better to have another woman fix that for me in case the model can't do it.

Aug 17 16 11:45 pm Link

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Paolo D Photography

Posts: 11502

San Francisco, California, US

Photography_by_Danny wrote:
There are just situations where I need to fix her hair and I wasn't sure if it would be better to have another woman fix that for me in case the model can't do it.

maybe the model doesn't want to be touched at all regardless of who you think is ok to do the touching.

having a mirror is cheaper than an assistant.
if something needs adjusting use a mirror to show the model the hair that is out of place.
or just ask permission to fix it, or perhaps the model will just tell you to go ahead and make the fix.
depends on the level of professionalism in the room.

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Aug 18 16 12:16 am Link

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Michael Spring

Posts: 315

London, England, United Kingdom

I would say have an assistant if you think its worthwhile for the shoot.... it can help, but more from a lighting point of view than fixing hair. The mirror is a nice idea... may be something that would help you, I just tell the model what I think and they can usually sort out their hair, especially that most of the time its actually a case of just brushing it but otherwise just ask if you can adjust it.

All in all though just be yourself and treat your model like you would treat your familly members when you shoot them. Its no different and if you think of it like that you won't upset anyone. :-)

Aug 18 16 03:52 am Link

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Thomas Van Dyke

Posts: 3232

Washington, District of Columbia, US

Photography_by_Danny wrote:
Hey, I'm new to this website and perviously have only photographed family members and friends. So, positioning them right in front of the camera was no issue. When photographing strangers, women in particular, should I bring a female assistant to help out with posting my models and fixing their hair? I know that it is very often a no go for male photographers to touch a female model. Looking forward to your replies.

Danny much depends on the situation...  As a makeup artist I'm rather comfortable around either gender... and occasionally I style hair on the shoot also when a hair stylist isn't in the mix... Thus by the time the talent is on set this is virtually a non-issue... Especially with agency talent who are totally comfortable with collaborating with a full team... 

However it appears that you may be the one who is having an issue here (I'm trying to help) so I suggest that you consider assisting other fashion and/or beauty "photogs" to better get your head around "set etiquette" which indeed is a learned art...  Like all creatures talent can quickly sense a want of comfort level (apprehension) on the part of the photographer in responsible charge and thus create tension on set... not a good thing...

Again, with time/experience you'll likely look back at this and smile...  but for now it may seem so very real and possibly disconcerting...

Since this is primarily a hobbyist portal please allow me to provide some "general guidelines" (SOP) for hobbyist working for the first time with naive new talent...  Suggestion 1. Always let your model know what you intend to do if you have to groom flying away hair... (a very common issue) or adjust wardrobe (another extremely common issue) and ask if they are "Ok" with this first...  Suggestion 2. If this is your first session together with a new naive talent by all means either have an assistant (makeup artist, hairstylist and wardrobe stylist are superb here and again one of the stellar benefits of working with a full team) or another neutral party on set in the mix.   Suggestion 3. if the talent is not of the age of majority it is mandatory that you have a parent on set at all times... Suggestion 3 isn't optional... hope this makes sense...

Danny all the above are for either fashion and/or beauty genre... btw, it's the only genre I work in... If you are inclined on shooting glamour then this may not be appropriate nor germane... the lion's share of females may feel rather vulnerable when clad in lingerie and/or in an implied scenario...  albeit many of the traveling nude models are indeed quite comfortable in this respect... Like everything else there are many, many shades of gray in between... Understand comes with tenure... the longer you're in this industry the more obvious protocol and set etiquette become...

Hope this helps or is at least food for thought Danny...

Aug 18 16 07:23 am Link

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Flex Photography

Posts: 6471

Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

Most of the time they can usually do the adjustment themselves, if you describe what is needed. Other times, such as when they are already in the pose you want, it may be done by either a third party who is present, or yourself. Either way, before anyone moves toward her, always describe to the model what is needed, and ask permission for her to be approached to do it. Depending on the newness of the model and the level of (un)dress, the closer the contact is to potentially personal regions, the more detailed your description of the needed actions should be to the model. Again, always permission before.

Before a shoot even starts, I sometimes mention the possibility of such minor adjustments, and consider the model's comfort/reaction or feedback to that. Good communications avoids misunderstandings.

I have a mirror for shoots. Rather than one with a handle, I have a student "locker mirror", about 6 inches by 8 inches. Can be used by hand, but also has magnets on the back, allowing hands-free when attached to a metal surface. (even the pillar on the outside of my car...don't forget it's there)

Aug 18 16 10:05 am Link

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Paolo D Photography

Posts: 11502

San Francisco, California, US

Thomas Van Dyke wrote:
Suggestion 3. if the talent is not of the age of majority it is mandatory that you have a parent on set at all times... Suggestion 3 isn't optional... hope this makes sense...

actually it is completely optional. just use discretion, especially on an amateur level.

there's no requirement that a parent go to work with their teen and most teen models won't want their parent around when they're trying to work.

obviously if you're photographing a little kid then a parent is particularly beneficial and helps limit liability.

sorry for going off topic, but I felt the need to point out that it is not mandatory.

Aug 18 16 02:02 pm Link

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First Life Photography

Posts: 3565

Plymouth, England, United Kingdom

Hello & Welcome to MM. smile

Personally, I have never needed to touch a models hair, or physically pose her.

Although I have had to grab an arm to pull them out of traffic, or catch them if they have tripped!

However, if you have a female you can bring to assist you with this, if its a cause of concern to you, then it will certainly help the new model feel more relaxed and less inclined to feel the need to bring her own friend along for safety!

Anyway, Good Luck to You! smile

Aug 18 16 10:05 pm Link