CrossFitNCake wrote:
I've had 2 models cancel on me from here within the past couple of days so now I have a wide open weekend. WOO-HOO! My question is this: do other photographers ask to see samples of clothing that they will be taking pictures of on the model? I may be different but I like to see what kind of fit a certain article of clothing has and if it would look decent on camera. If not, I kindly tell the model to email/text/IG/FB the next outfit choice. Am I asking too much of the models especially if I'm paying for a boudoir shoot?

If it is a model your paying and she doesnt have much experience or a poor portfolio with poor outfits I would ask to see the outfits.  If she is local to you I would want to meet with her.

If the model is a well known traveling model who specializes in lingerie and has an excellent port with quality stylish outfits then I think no you don't need to ask to see them. They usually have extensive glamour wardrobes.

Risen Phoenix Photo wrote:

If it is a model your paying and she doesnt have much experience or a poor portfolio with poor outfits I would ask to see the outfits.  If she is local to you I would want to meet with her.

If the model is a well known traveling model who specializes in lingerie and has an excellent port with quality stylish outfits then I think no you don't need to ask to see them. They usually have extensive glamour wardrobes.

Yes she's local to me here in LV and is 18. She was recently published in LSH Magazine but that doesn't mean crap these days. I'm learning and she's supposed to text me tomorrow once she talks to her boyfriend/manager so we'll see if she takes advantage of this 2nd chance after making excuses the first time. Very apologetic so far and I got a discount for my troubles! Not naming anyone though

CrossFitNCake wrote:
once she talks to her boyfriend/manager

Run.

Mark C Smith wrote:
Run.

LOL Thanks Mark! She just texted, "I can't make it on Monday because my boyfriend works and can't take me. I still want to shoot with you."I ask for pictures again and get this, "Yes I can try to, either way I'm fine meeting as well if you'd still like." I text back "No pics/meeting=no shoot. I should have run away as fast as possible. Kept making excuses that her boyfriend's friends and her relatives were in town at the same time blah blah blah These LV girls looking to make a quick buck any way possible.

Mark C Smith wrote:

Run.

Times 2!

Personality Imaging wrote:

Times 2!

Thanks guys! She actually got REALLY PISSED about the no pictures/meeting=no shoot text and sent me multiple messages saying that she is a very well respected member of the community here in LV and in CA. She feels that she is troubling me and that we should go our separate ways. I respect that and will delete her # out of my phone and as she stated, "I will not be responding to any more of your text messages." No skin off my back and hey I saved $100 this weekend.

CrossFitNCake wrote:

Thanks guys! She actually got REALLY PISSED about the no pictures/meeting=no shoot text and sent me multiple messages saying that she is a very well respected member of the community here in LV and in CA. She feels that she is troubling me and that we should go our separate ways. I respect that and will delete her # out of my phone and as she stated, "I will not be responding to any more of your text messages." No skin off my back and hey I saved $100 this weekend.

I think that if you have some patience with finding people you can probably find people to shoot for free. I know a lot of people have success on this site but starting out it is hard because of having little work to show. I would recommend sourcing models from other sources and once you get enough good quality shots you may be able to get trade shoots on MM.

I have shot with 9 models for instance. I paid 3, and out of the three I paid only one yielded good shots. The remaining 6 were trade shoots, one found through MM and the rest from other sources. Still being completely new to this as well I have other thoughts, if you are interested you can PM me. But generally on here I notice you generally get no advice at all, or advice from someone that is so much further along than you and  the advice of just "sticking it out" on here and waiting didn't really work at first. Either way best of luck!

CrossFitNCake wrote:
I've had 2 models cancel on me from here within the past couple of days so now I have a wide open weekend. WOO-HOO! My question is this: do other photographers ask to see samples of clothing that they will be taking pictures of on the model? I may be different but I like to see what kind of fit a certain article of clothing has and if it would look decent on camera. If not, I kindly tell the model to email/text/IG/FB the next outfit choice. Am I asking too much of the models especially if I'm paying for a boudoir shoot?

You could always provide Wardrobe...

CrossFitNCake wrote:
My question is this: do other photographers ask to see samples of clothing that they will be taking pictures of on the model?

Were you asking for pictures of the clothing off the mode, say on a bed, and if so did you make this clear? If not, you may have come over as a perve looking for a free show.

thiswayup wrote:

Were you asking for pictures of the clothing off the mode, say on a bed, and if so did you make this clear? If not, you may have come over as a perve looking for a free show.

I guess you are right! I should have make myself clear that she didn't necessarily need to put the cardigans on with the lingerie. That part might have been my fault. So yeah I see where you're coming from.

Fotopia wrote:
In my experience, any model that brings up her "manager", has just shown a complete lack of industry knowledge.

In Georgia, managers are for performing artists, and must be bonded, insured and  licenced  by the State as an employment provider.

Models, if truly promising may have a booking agent at a legitimate modeling agency, also subject to State regulation.

Anything else is bogus.

I actually think she was more referring to her boyfriend as the escort that comes with her to all her shoots. In her profile as with many others in Vegas, they state they will not work without their escort present. The escort will not get in the way of the shoot.

Fotopia wrote:
Ask for references for the escort, photographers with whom the escort has successfully worked, and will recommend this person.

Inquire about the escort having sufficient liability insurance for the unforseen, so that you wouldn't be held liable for any on set accident

One other photog said that her boyfriend/escort was a bit over protective but that the model was open minded. That's the one reference that I got. It's actually a lesson learned and a moot point now since I won't be working with the model.

Photos by Stan wrote:
- model flakes twice
- model has to ask boyfriend
- photographer wants to meet for coffee
- photographer demands model sends him photos of herself in lingerie

My personal opinion is that neither are acting professional
each and every part of that is a "red flag"
and that advice given to either party to " RUN " would be a correct response

I didn't see anything about the photographer demanding pictures of the model in lingerie. I thought he wanted pictures of the outfit that the model would be wearing. Wouldn't a link to whichever shop the clothes were bought from count?

John_Vella wrote:

I didn't see anything about the photographer demanding pictures of the model in lingerie. I thought he wanted pictures of the outfit that the model would be wearing. Wouldn't a link to whichever shop the clothes were bought from count?

In the original post he states
- send sample photo of outfit ON the model ?
- boudoir shoot ?
pretty sure that boudoir would be lingerie not jeans and a sweater !

Photos by Stan wrote:

In the original post he states
- send sample photo of outfit ON the model ?
- boudoir shoot ?
pretty sure that boudoir would be lingerie not jeans and a sweater !

Where did I state that Stan? I only asked questions to the public at large. Only mentioned boudoir at the end of the message. Nowhere did I say I demand anything from the model. You're coming to your own conclusions.

CrossFitNCake wrote:

Yes she's local to me here in LV and is 18. She was recently published in LSH Magazine but that doesn't mean crap these days. I'm learning and she's supposed to text me tomorrow once she talks to her boyfriend/manager so we'll see if she takes advantage of this 2nd chance after making excuses the first time. Very apologetic so far and I got a discount for my troubles! Not naming anyone though

Warning sign above. Emphasis added.

WisconsinArt wrote:
She may be sincere and truly wants to shoot but even an amateur who is serious about modeling is not going to come with all the drama.

Shoot or move on.

This topic is closed! I wound up not shooting and moving on