Art Schotz wrote:
Damn!  I guess I should team up with the other guy in town and start chsrging something!

Lets go Art, together we'll charge, $1800, even do 18pictues for that price. What do you say? Better yet, lets get 10 photographers together and we'll charge $20,000, cause if it takes three to be that professional, then 10 photographers means it must be super professional!

My favorite line from that page was

Egami Vivid wrote:
You should always shoot with more then one photographer.

All this time I was doing it wrong, I figured I was good enough by myself. I bet a lot of us have been making such an "unprofessional" choice and only doing our pictures with one photographer.

Visage Photography wrote:
$2200 for THAT?
They are on crack...

Just goes to show, you have to act like you know what you’re doing and that it doesn't hurt to ask for what you think your worth.

Craig Thomson wrote:

Just goes to show, you have to act like you know what you’re doing and that it doesn't hurt to ask for what you think your worth.

The Point as clear as it gets !!!!!!

Manny D.

Manny Desalamanca wrote:
If you shoot 150 head shots for a future actor ...

is that, uh,..., over time? if so, how long? i mean, why would an actor need 150 headshots?

just curious,
FML

FML-Photography wrote:
is that, uh,..., over time? if so, how long? i mean, why would an actor need 150 headshots?

just curious,
FML

To make a flip book so you have an animated portrait. 

PK Digital Imaging wrote:
To make a flip book so you have an animated portrait. 

A few years ago, some guys invented this thing called video . . .

VirtuaMike wrote:
A few years ago, some guys invented this thing called video . . .

But you don't get that cool flipping sound!

PK Digital Imaging wrote:
But you don't get that cool flipping sound!

I'll make it and you can dub it in. Flip flip flip flip . . . .

FML-Photography wrote:
why would an actor need 150 headshots?

starphotography wrote:
Think Manny must have meant 150 shots to get one good head shot...

150 attempts? to get one? are you kidding me? what's wrong with that??? ...

... but yeah, i know those photographers who go out & fire off like cards & cards of pix, only to edit for a few which are acceptable. even know one photographer who shoots in movie mode (?) and then edits for "the one". sigh.

FML

FML-Photography wrote:
even know one photographer who shoots in movie mode (?) and then edits for "the one". sigh.

FML

Please tell me you're kidding... hahahaha

Nothing like editing a 640x480(if your lucky) compressed video captured still.

Eeeesh!

-PKD

PK Digital Imaging wrote:
Uhmm... take a look at their "model shots".  $2200??  Uhhh.... no...

Uhhh... yes... a whole day's work +++

  *  A shooting script – written ideas for each picture
  *  Storyboards – a sketched out line of the shot
  *  Original photo ideas – from the simple to the extreme
  *  Several locations – not just in the studio
  *  A make-up artist [couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A hair stylist [another couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A set designer [still another couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A wardrobe stylist [and still another couple of hundred bucks]

3 PHOTOGRAPHERS – [a day rate x 3]

12 picture set-ups $ 2200
14 picture set-ups $ 2562
16 picture set-ups $ 2928

* This price does not include the price of prints. = [my estimate from experience] $30 - 45 EACH FULLY CORRECTED AND SPOTTED COLOUR PAPER PRINT IN A PRO LAB.

FRANKLY? They are making a profit or they wouldn't be doing it BUT: 1) not as much as you models seem to think; and 2) any photographer doing the same, and applying the SAME level of resources, for a lot less, or free, is fooling themselves big time.

Even working by myself [being only ONE photographer] I couldn't do it for under ca 1200 - 1400 if I also had to hire in an MUA; hair stylist; wardrobe/fashion stylist; and a set designer; cover my overheads; and make a profit.

I just last week priced out, for a client, a "low-budget" 1 day promotional video shoot for a band [not very different from a stills shoot; up to the point of actually shooting it cost is still cost like-for-like] and with location costs [800/day for the studio alone - including lighting; rigging and 3 cameras - but no crew]; hair; make-up; costumes/stylist; and set design and construction - NOT INCLUDING the shooting crew - the cost was close to 3 grand for that alone. The whole project came in at ca 18 grand NOT including post-production. AND THAT'S DEAD CHEEP! In this case we aren't even budgeting dancers... or shooting it like a standard music video... just a straight band promo. If that was the case, getting in 5 - 20 dancers, you could tack on another 5 - 8 grand [including paid rehearsal time and a rehersal hall to do it in]

Time to kick some of you... models AND photographers... into reality. IT'S A FRIGGEN BUSINESS some of us are in not a hobby!

Studio36

FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
Are they kidding???.....overpriced is putting mildly....

And they should find themselves another web page designer.....one of the cardinal rules of building web pages....NEVER, NEVER  make it so large that viewers must scroll sideways......up and down is acceptable......but NOT over and over and over.....must be something in the air in Venice???

No, they are not kidding.

Studio36

studio36uk wrote:

Uhhh... yes... a whole day's work +++

  *  A shooting script – written ideas for each picture
  *  Storyboards – a sketched out line of the shot
  *  Original photo ideas – from the simple to the extreme
  *  Several locations – not just in the studio
  *  A make-up artist [couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A hair stylist [another couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A set designer [still another couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A wardrobe stylist [and still another couple of hundred bucks]

3 PHOTOGRAPHERS – [a day rate x 3]

12 picture set-ups $ 2200
14 picture set-ups $ 2562
16 picture set-ups $ 2928

* This price does not include the price of prints. = [my estimate from experience] $30 - 45 EACH FULLY CORRECTED AND SPOTTED COLOUR PAPER PRINT IN A PRO LAB.

FRANKLY? They are making a profit or they wouldn't be doing it BUT: 1) not as much as you models seem to think; and 2) any photographer doing the same, and applying the SAME level of resources, for a lot less, or free, is fooling themselves big time.

Even working by myself [being only ONE photographer] I couldn't do it for under ca 1200 - 1400 if I also had to hire in an MUA; hair stylist; wardrobe/fashion stylist; and a set designer; cover my overheads; and make a profit.

I just last week priced out, for a client, a "low-budget" 1 day promotional video shoot for a band [not very different from a stills shoot; up to the point of actually shooting it cost is still cost like-for-like] and with location costs [800/day for the studio alone - including lighting; rigging and 3 cameras - but no crew]; hair; make-up; costumes/stylist; and set design and construction - NOT INCLUDING the shooting crew - the cost was close to 3 grand for that alone. The whole project came in at ca 18 grand NOT including post-production. AND THAT'S DEAD CHEEP! In this case we aren't even budgeting dancers... or shooting it like a standard music video... just a straight band promo. If that was the case, getting in 5 - 20 dancers, you could tack on another 5 - 8 grand [including paid rehearsal time and a rehersal hall to do it in]

Time to kick some of you... models AND photographers... into reality. IT'S A FRIGGEN BUSINESS some of us are in not a hobby!

Studio36

Very well written post.  I couldn't agree with you more.  It's one thing to be a hobby photographer and pay for everything out of your own pocket as a cost of the hobby, and quite another to run a business and have enough left over at then of the day to pay the morgage and put food on the table.

studio36uk wrote:

Uhhh... yes... a whole day's work +++

  *  A shooting script – written ideas for each picture
  *  Storyboards – a sketched out line of the shot
  *  Original photo ideas – from the simple to the extreme
  *  Several locations – not just in the studio
  *  A make-up artist [couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A hair stylist [another couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A set designer [still another couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A wardrobe stylist [and still another couple of hundred bucks]

3 PHOTOGRAPHERS – [a day rate x 3]

12 picture set-ups $ 2200
14 picture set-ups $ 2562
16 picture set-ups $ 2928

* This price does not include the price of prints. = [my estimate from experience] $30 - 45 EACH FULLY CORRECTED AND SPOTTED COLOUR PAPER PRINT IN A PRO LAB.

FRANKLY? They are making a profit or they wouldn't be doing it BUT: 1) not as much as you models seem to think; and 2) any photographer doing the same, and applying the SAME level of resources, for a lot less, or free, is fooling themselves big time.

Even working by myself [being only ONE photographer] I couldn't do it for under ca 1200 - 1400 if I also had to hire in an MUA; hair stylist; wardrobe/fashion stylist; and a set designer; cover my overheads; and make a profit.

I just last week priced out, for a client, a "low-budget" 1 day promotional video shoot for a band [not very different from a stills shoot; up to the point of actually shooting it cost is still cost like-for-like] and with location costs [800/day for the studio alone - including lighting; rigging and 3 cameras - but no crew]; hair; make-up; costumes/stylist; and set design and construction - NOT INCLUDING the shooting crew - the cost was close to 3 grand for that alone. The whole project came in at ca 18 grand NOT including post-production. AND THAT'S DEAD CHEEP! In this case we aren't even budgeting dancers... or shooting it like a standard music video... just a straight band promo. If that was the case, getting in 5 - 20 dancers, you could tack on another 5 - 8 grand [including paid rehearsal time and a rehersal hall to do it in]

Time to kick some of you... models AND photographers... into reality. IT'S A FRIGGEN BUSINESS some of us are in not a hobby!

Studio36

Having been in the film industry, I can contest that this is not only true, but to say that the grand opening of the Morongo project that I worked on was an 8 mil project.

As for the 2200 bucks. If in deed they are story boarding and customizing each shoot, then I can see it and know they are not making a killing on these shoots.

Visage Photography wrote:
$2200 for THAT?
They are on crack...

Yeah...I've seen huge name photographers charge about $1400 for a portfolio...which is more than a lot of photographers out there.

Doug Harvey wrote:
Having been in the film industry, I can contest that this is not only true, but to say that the grand opening of the Morongo project that I worked on was an 8 mil project.

As for the 2200 bucks. If in deed they are story boarding and customizing each shoot, then I can see it and know they are not making a killing on these shoots.

Well, in the big names a simple "run of the song" music vid nowadays runs on the order of 1 - 1.5 mil though some are spending a lot more on them. For the new groups they will spend more in line with my proposal. 2200 extra for the stills and headshots is peanuts.

Studio36

studio36uk wrote:

Well, in the big names a simple "run of the song" music vid nowadays runs on the order of 1 - 1.5 mil though some are spending a lot more on them. For the new groups they will spend more in line with my proposal. 2200 extra for the stills and headshots is peanuts.

Studio36

I'm sure your right. It's been a little over a year since I worked that project and things are not getting cheaper.

studio36uk wrote:

Uhhh... yes... a whole day's work +++

  *  A shooting script – written ideas for each picture
  *  Storyboards – a sketched out line of the shot
  *  Original photo ideas – from the simple to the extreme
  *  Several locations – not just in the studio
  *  A make-up artist [couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A hair stylist [another couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A set designer [still another couple of hundred bucks]
  *  A wardrobe stylist [and still another couple of hundred bucks]

3 PHOTOGRAPHERS – [a day rate x 3]

12 picture set-ups $ 2200
14 picture set-ups $ 2562
16 picture set-ups $ 2928



Time to kick some of you... models AND photographers... into reality. IT'S A FRIGGEN BUSINESS some of us are in not a hobby!

Studio36

My point being... the quality of the images.  If you were a model.. would you be happy paying $2200 for those images?

I'm not a pro by any means but I could throw an entire army of MUA's/Stylists/Hair at a model and still take sh*tty pictures.  Is that army justifying me charging $2200?

Don't think so.

-PKD

FKVPhotoGraphics wrote:
And they should find themselves another web page designer.....one of the cardinal rules of building web pages....NEVER, NEVER  make it so large that viewers must scroll sideways

You're expected to NOT have your window maximized and never know those other "panes" are even there. They built all their "pages" on a single html page and the the interface automatically scrolls to the appropriate page based on the link you clicked. You're not supposed to scroll, dammit... bad user, no cookie for you :-D

Yeah that's a first. I've never seen a site built like that. I guess I can see where they're trying to make it respond quickly to user input by pre-loading all the pages at once and having the UI auto-scroll over instead of making another round trip to the server to load a new page... but that's pretty dang unconventional and prone to user confusion.

Oh well. Always a new way to skin the cat. As long as they're having fun with it that's all that matters :-)