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My rant..When models don't reply..
creagency wrote: That's the most annoying. I had a model send me an email (before she joined here) asking if I was interested. She included about 8 pics. I asked her a few questions, she responded and sent more pics (more explicit than she posted here when she joined a few days later, on her own, I might add). I asked her to define her limits and that's the last I heard of her. She responded to my Friend Request here, but not to the personal emails nor the SEND A MESSAGE. Oh well. Apr 10 06 07:39 am Link Double Post - Damn 41 Apr 10 06 07:44 am Link Nerlande wrote: Hmmmmm, I've been out of town for a week. It is only 5000? It must have slowed down while I was gone. Apr 10 06 08:03 am Link nudeartproject wrote: Like he says.... Apr 10 06 08:06 am Link Tikeya wrote: I totally agree with what the models are saying, its ridiculous to keep ranting and raving about this subject. I guess for a model this is a lose/lose situation! You can't possibly shoot with everyone that sends you a request and you won't like everyone's work that sends you a request. If you reply with you are not interested you offend the photographer, then get called stuck up or asked a million and one questions why? However, if you don't reply at all everyone gets all bitchy. I'm probably one of the sweetest and easiest person to get along with, but by saying no thanks, or not replying all of that is thrown down the drain. The next time either of these happen don't think the model is not professional, think that maybe they're very professional and knows what he/she wants in their portfolio. Why work with someone that you don't value there work, if all there other work is not what your looking for then what makes you think that the situation will be different for you! Maybe its ok to shoot millions of tfp with any and everybody for someone modeling for fun but a model thats serious has goals and knows how she wants to be represented. If the model feels a photographer can't provide the work they want to achieve then I think they're doing you a fav by not working with you!! Besides it leaves you time to work with someone who does value your work. So stop being so pessimistic and look at the whole picture. Some people are going to love your work and someone people are not, that is just the way this industry is! Apr 10 06 08:13 am Link iceblueeyedgirl wrote: I have never...not once ever...done that. Apr 10 06 08:20 am Link BryanJ wrote: the truth is-WE GET BUSY. Apr 10 06 10:29 am Link pamela mars wrote: Thats the problem right there. Too many emails going to the models. But, you can respond with a one sentence answer. Being left out to dry isnt a good feeling for anyone, even if they are a bad shooter. Apr 10 06 12:47 pm Link Photos2amaze wrote: take into consideration how slow this site is. Apr 10 06 01:52 pm Link pamela mars wrote: The site is free so its hard to complain about the speed on the site. You must have a heck of a lot of emails not to be able to say no thanks even if it does take a minute. Looks like it would be a sense of pride taken when people want to work with you. At least enough to respond. It was the same speed for the photographer that emailed. I have a hard time believing anyone wouldnt be bothered by no response. Apr 10 06 02:10 pm Link Alright photogs....let's just ignore the camera phone models and "NO CHANCE IN HELL" models that TFP request us. Many models are flakes. Apr 11 06 05:31 am Link If they do not reply. SO WHAT. Just move on. I send out mail all the time for paying jobs on my trip shoots. Some reply back no thanks, some never repy back and some ask for more info and never reply back to that. BFD. If they are interested then I have found a model who is interested and wants to work. If these other models do not want to make any money that is fine with me. Something you just have to learn to live with. I have for about 15 years. bs Apr 11 06 09:38 am Link Keep your chin up. Your not the only one who has this problem. I dont understand it either. I ALWAYS send a reply, even if Im not interested. Perhaps I was just raised different. Anyway, good luck and keep plugging away. They will come;-) Apr 11 06 09:49 am Link I try to answer most requests, but I do have to admit that I'm coming from the hobbiest side. This is my hobby; other things in life take priority. When dealing with a photographer that I have agreed to work with, I treat modeling as if it were my job. I understand that a lot of times, this is the photographer's job, so I sure as hell am not going to screw things up by being the "typical" flakey model. Photographers do need to understand however that a lot of us are busy with school or work or whatever it is we do. We also receive a lot of emails from photographers who are asking us for things we are not all comfortable with. Example...I get a ton of pornography offers, and I have stated in my profile that I will not even consider such a shoot. With the piles and piles of emails that I receive from photographers wanting porn, some of the legit inquiries are sometimes forgotten. It is not intentional, and I hope that the photographers who have contacted me understand that I am not trying to blow them off if I haven't responded. I'm working 3 jobs, and trying to get back into school, so I don't always have time to worry about my hobby. I hope that the theory of some models are intelligent and are trying to better themselves is not lost to the idea that models are all flakey and fake and unable to conduct themselves in a professional manner. Apr 11 06 09:51 am Link Tony Lawrence wrote: I bet it is true. That's about my number, too, and I'm probably not contacting photographers as often as she is. Apr 11 06 10:02 am Link Not just models!! I have -no- problem with the no response. Because I often get messages that are form letters or obviously mass market letters. I do make an effort to respond to all letters that are individual letters. But when I respond to a post or an ad for a model, I usually EXPECT no reply, because they probably get a ton and if there is no response to the first inquiry I know there is no interest. What annoys me is when there is an EXCHANGE of emails, and then they drop you unexpectedly. I mean, come on, if there has been contact made, initial interest expressed, then I -DO- expect the courtesy of a "thanks no thanks" response to finish it off. And as for sour grapes to the "thanks no thanks," I did get one once, from somebody offering management. For your amusement, I am posting the entire exchange intact, spelling is original. -----Original Message----- Hi Debbie, Looking for a manager to represent you by any chance? -----On 9/11/05, debbie wrote:----- Hi Matthew, Thank you for your interest. At the moment I'm not looking for a manager or representation, but I appreciate the offer. -Debbie -----Original Message----- Thats to bad, Id have that experiance level changed from no expierance to t he next level and from amature to semi profeshional in a matter of weeks Jul 08 06 04:27 pm Link photofashion wrote: lol. harsh. Jul 08 06 04:34 pm Link I can empathize with most models on this because it goes both ways as well. I try to respond to all emails even if they're not what I'm looking for in my portfolio but I don't put myself out there too much so my response is low. So when I get a request to do a TFCD/TFP for a 4 year old it is an automatic no and I respond back with a standard rejection email. The only time when it is unacceptable is if you have something scheduled and never to be heard from again. That would be rude. But you shouldn't be offended if a model does not respond to your initial requests here. If you expect a response, that's why agencies exists, who has people adequate enough to properly respond to you. Otherwise you just live with it. Jul 08 06 04:45 pm Link Im sorry i think its rude not to reply back, even if itâs a no thanks!, if your not interested then say so! if you have to cancel call as early as possible! i keep in touch with my photographers almost on a daily basis, even if they are out of state because if they come to my area I WANT TO WORK!!! i want them to know that im interested! Think about it if you dont show an interest why should they show one back! Jul 08 06 05:00 pm Link BryanJ wrote: OMG, I just put that note up on my profile page...lol Jul 08 06 05:02 pm Link While this subject is repeated over and over again I think this is a good thing to keep out there. If you are not intrested in shooting. Say something. keep it short and simple but say something. If you are going to keep a active profile photographers will offer TFP and sometimes paid shoots. Write back or call but say something. That TFP offer may lead to payment. That TFP offer may lead to another photographer who will pay you. Its not just rude to not say something but may even hurt you. Quite frankly I'm amazed at the talent photographers who offer TFP'S only to not hear any reponses. It begs the question of why post photos and a profile if you have no plans to go further. If you are very busy put that in your profile. If you will be unable to shoot for a while say that too but no reponse to polite inquries is rude and unprofessional. Jul 08 06 05:34 pm Link If I contact a model I like to hear a response. Even if negative. I'm a big girl. I can handle rejection, and not being a commercial photographer, I understand that improving one's books with artistic concept shots isn't going to help land a model with her dream agency. I understand that my style and the type of work I do doesn't really fit into categories, and as such, isn't really needed for a number of portfolios. So, I don't need a lengthy explanation. But a simple "no " "I only do commercial" or even "I think you suck" takes just a few seconds and is really helpful to those of us that are looking for art models. Jul 08 06 08:38 pm Link BryanJ wrote: When Jehovah's Witness people knock on my door, I never answer. Jul 08 06 08:41 pm Link creagency wrote: I would be thrilled for you to be interested. Jul 08 06 09:00 pm Link Anilah wrote: This is because you take the work seriously. Others (the ones who don't reply etc) don't take it seriously. Jul 08 06 09:05 pm Link Models cannot accept all the offers that they get for various reasons. I hope that those who are serious will take the time to respond to photographers. You can make a simple text file that you can copy and paste. It wont take you long to think of two or three standard polite responses that you can copy and paste even if you have to borrow a computer to do so. Nobody likes rejection: Models, consider the fact that photographers may have have invested thousands of dollars in equipment and sometimes years of time to hone their skills. Some "models" have invested just a few minutes on a friend's computer or an internet cafe. I know I get killed for saying this but models (especially new ones) , please take some time to understand what a good picture really looks like before you refuse the next Stephen Meisel. Jul 08 06 09:54 pm Link With all the replies, they really cover almost all. One thing I can assure through my experience is: althought they don't reply, you'll see some of the models pop up from nowhere and msg you something like ".....go here....and vote for me..." sounds familiar? :-) Jul 08 06 10:01 pm Link start with I pay $500. per hr...............see what happens then") Jul 08 06 10:09 pm Link Image K wrote: -------------- Jul 08 06 10:12 pm Link My Kollection wrote: I beg to differ! Jul 08 06 10:20 pm Link Can't take it personal. Schedules, locations, vibe,...whatever else that constitutes a comfort level for that perticlar model to be driven enough to want to shoot w/that 'tog. But throw in the $$$ factor and see how fast they send a reply... "It's just business" Karma is a vicious, evil vehicle...Be kind, reply ...even if it's a 'no thanks' Jul 08 06 10:26 pm Link San Francisco Nudes wrote: /. Vito wrote: My MM inbox gets kind of crazy sometimes. Once, I had set up a shoot with a photographer that was about two or three weeks away from the last time we exchanged messages. I thought I had written to him another time, but I guess not. Anyway, a week later he wrote to me saying that he would have to find someone else. I replied ASAP [and this was still, I'm pretty sure, at least a week before the shoot was scheduled] apologizing and explaining that I had forgotten to send another confirmation because I was very busy and that I was still planning on being there. He didn't write back to that one. Jul 08 06 10:28 pm Link Image K wrote: It means that you didn't answer the door. They don't know if your home. They Jul 08 06 10:31 pm Link Your expectatons are too high. Internet models : 10% completion rate. that is only one out of every request will end up in a shoot. You expect promptness and courtesy; dream on. But just put together a "never contact again in life list". I have one. Jul 08 06 10:31 pm Link Think of speaking to everyone that you meet in a day..some will reply with a hello, some won't. People that do not repy to your e-mail, message, post..ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOU. Oliver Jul 08 06 10:36 pm Link I just want to work. I'm dedicated, driven and I only care about one thing. . . That is getting to my job, doing what I'm told, doing it well. That is it! No If's ands or butt's about it! Models have a point and so do the photogs, So what!! Let's all just play nice stop the crabbin and get to Work! Thanx! Jul 08 06 10:47 pm Link Oliver Cole wrote: Yeah, but I smack the ones that don't. Oliver Cole wrote: That hits the nail on the head. No reply is a reply and I usually don't lose any sleep over it. But, when I'm trying to line a up a model for a shoot, how long do I give them to reply before I solicit someone else for the job? One day? Two days? Jul 08 06 10:52 pm Link The Models that don't respond I simply forget about...Those that book a shoot and don't show without a word are the ones that bother me. That said there are legitimate reasons models often do not respond. Sometimes as a photographer I don't get back to models as swiftly as I should. The sword swings both ways I suppose. If I am doing my job to the best of my ability then I have more responses. Females in general, models or otherwise are often inundated with emails. It's all about our craft as models, photographers, artists... I have business if I'm working my craft the best I can. Just my two cents! John. MedicineWolf Studios Jul 08 06 11:03 pm Link Models that aren't with agencies and many are not are independant contractors. They are or should be in the bussiness of either trying to build their portfolios or making money by shooting. I'm not seeing where high paying clients are seeking out MM models. So when a photographer comes knocking it just makes good bussiness sense not to piss off someone WHO might pay you. No reply may mean you didn't get my e-mail. It was lost of deleted some how or maybe you aren't intrested but still take a moment to think about why you are here. If its to make money or add to your book then it just makes common sense to respond. Part of what I see is that many models have little to no respect for photographers. Most attractive models are getting asked to shoot all the time and guess what? It comes with placing a profile on-line. It means that you respond to serious offers. Does it mean take a few extra minutes to do it, sure. When models contact me I respond. Thats because I value them, don't you as a photographer feel you should also be valued? Some people feel no response is a response. I learned something in one of more useless college classes. If you are asked a question and you don't respond is that in itself a response? Jul 09 06 01:01 am Link iceblueeyedgirl wrote: Because when we do respond with thanks, but no thanks, you get all pissy and tear us a new one for being stuck up. Anderson Artwork wrote: Actually, though not frequent, a few of my friends on here (models) have had that experience, almost exactly word for word. Jul 09 06 06:44 pm Link |
