Forums > Newbie Forum > Magazine shoot for TFP?

Model

Taylor Jeffers

Posts: 18

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Hi guys! Hopefully this isn't a tired topic, but I am fairly new to MM and couldn't find what I was looking for when searching the forums.

I have only recently decided to really go for it with modelling, and I have been approached to do a submission shoot for Inked Magazine Australia. The shoot, however, is TFP with edited pictures being supplied to me after the mag has gone to print. 
So my question is... is TFP for magazine print common? And has anyone heard of/seen/read Inked Australia? Is it reputable? Is it more of a "men's magazine", or artistic in nature?  I've only just arrived to Australia from Canada so any info would be appreciated! I am doing a bit of googling obviously, but would love some other feedback.

Sep 02 14 11:24 pm Link

Photographer

JustinWKing

Posts: 69

New York, New York, US

This is standard practice, Most magazines these days do not pay. You can't release the images until they are published. If you do, the magazine won't use your pictures. The magazine argues they are providing publicity in exchange for pictures.

Sep 02 14 11:56 pm Link

Model

Taylor Jeffers

Posts: 18

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

Ah understood.  Just wanted to be sure that this was normal, Thanks for the reply!

Sep 03 14 12:03 am Link

Model

Sandra Vixen

Posts: 1561

Las Vegas, Nevada, US

No, I would recommend turning it down.

I never came across a power company or landlord that accepts magazines as a form of payment

Sep 03 14 10:42 pm Link

Photographer

R Michael Walker

Posts: 11987

Costa Mesa, California, US

Yes it's standard for magazine submission. They are not commissioning the work but are willing to look at it and decide if they want to publish it after the fact. and yes they usually want first publication rights. If it's real print amy it WILL improve your portfolio. If you are so booked you don't need to do trade work then turn it down. Otherwise, why not shoot it?  I WOULD ask a couple questions first. Since anyone CAN submit to a magazine I'd ask if the photographer has a publication track record. Does the photographer have any "in" with the editors? All this is aimed at gauging your chances. Especially if you can't use the images until after they are publish which COULD be many many months

Sep 03 14 11:34 pm Link

Model

JoJo

Posts: 26560

Clearwater, Florida, US

Taylor Jeffers wrote:
Hi guys! Hopefully this isn't a tired topic, but I am fairly new to MM and couldn't find what I was looking for when searching the forums.

I have only recently decided to really go for it with modelling, and I have been approached to do a submission shoot for Inked Magazine Australia. The shoot, however, is TFP with edited pictures being supplied to me after the mag has gone to print. 
So my question is... is TFP for magazine print common? And has anyone heard of/seen/read Inked Australia? Is it reputable? Is it more of a "men's magazine", or artistic in nature?  I've only just arrived to Australia from Canada so any info would be appreciated! I am doing a bit of googling obviously, but would love some other feedback.

If it's an "on spec" submission (trying to get a foot in the door) TF is quite the norm. The people involved in the shoot want to prove their worthiness to the publisher so there is seldom remuneration involved.

If it's a "commissioned" submission the photographer is likely receiving some sort of remuneration and should be sharing with those involved in the shoot.

Sep 04 14 12:20 pm Link

Retoucher

LightFeatherRetouch

Posts: 445

Bratislava, Bratislavský, Slovakia

Yes, it is the norm.

High profile magazines don't take submissions at all. They hire top photographers and models straight out top model agencies.

The other magazines, the ones that do accept submissions pay zero. I had publications (print magazines) as a photographer and all I got was 2 printed copies that had to be picked up at their head quarters.

The deal also includes that you can't use them anywhere before publishing. If they have been online, even in an MM portfolio or facebook is a deal breaker.

Also note that probably what the photographer is talking about is to attempt submission, not that it will be guaranteed. Nobody can really promise that, before photos have been made and quality evaluated by the magazine.

The reasons why this takes place is because the number of photographers sky rocketed in the last 2 decades with digital photography, while the print magazine market went to the bottom with the internet, magazine sales are a joke compared to what they were in the 80s or 90s.

Everyone wants to get published anyway... financial payment is not as relevant as the value of a magazine cover in a portfolio, which opens a series of doors.

Sep 04 14 01:17 pm Link

Photographer

Sal W Hanna

Posts: 6686

Huntington Beach, California, US

LightFeatherRetouch wrote:
Yes, it is the norm.

JustinWKing wrote:
This is standard practice, Most magazines these days do not pay. You can't release the images until they are published. If you do, the magazine won't use your pictures. The magazine argues they are providing publicity in exchange for pictures.

Agreed.

LightFeatherRetouch wrote:
High profile magazines don't take submissions at all. They hire top photographers and models straight out top model agencies.

Not exactly true. Many do, for instance Maxim and FHM.

Sep 04 14 03:54 pm Link

Photographer

Marin Photo NYC

Posts: 7348

New York, New York, US

Sandra Vixen wrote:
No, I would recommend turning it down.

I never came across a power company or landlord that accepts magazines as a form of payment

"TFP available for select projects, please message me with your project outline." ...your words on your bio page...

Wrong answer!

Published models get paid more. Just ask any Penthouse Pet or Playmate. They can book at $200hr.

Popularity counts in this social media marketing atmosphere. Being nobody, doesn't get your bills paid any faster either and doesn't earn you a larger wage.

With or without an agency, modeling is a popularity contest, like it or not!........If no one knows you, who will know to hire you???

Being published gets you more views, traffic to your page or website etc. That's potential clients in the future.

I say go for it!  You never know who might find you and want to hire you.

Sep 04 14 03:59 pm Link

Retoucher

LightFeatherRetouch

Posts: 445

Bratislava, Bratislavský, Slovakia

Sal W Hanna wrote:
Not exactly true. Many do, for instance Maxim and FHM.

Yes, to the online website, not so much to the print mags... My previous communications with Maxim for example, was in that sense... boobs for free for the online content would be cool, but for print, they said they had their own photographers.

Sep 05 14 02:17 am Link

Photographer

Lallure Photographic

Posts: 2086

Taylors, South Carolina, US

Editorial work, is very different from ad work. Follow the advice above.

Sounds like a tattoo publication. Make sure you get nothing permanent. Too many models today, are getting tattoos without recognizing they hurt careers.

Sep 09 14 01:05 pm Link