CasaDiBerardi wrote:

I admit, I like feeling sexy.

Now that could be a good reason to do nude modeling, some women feel empowered by it.  Again just doing so for money can often lead to regrets later in life (or so we have all read many times here).

AJScalzitti wrote:
Now that could be a good reason to do nude modeling, some women feel empowered by it.

hartcons wrote:
after boudoir shoots many of my paying customers are practically high-5'ing me. it's all quite scandalous really (at least around here) and they had the courage to do it.

i think it's a way for women to be admired without having to deal with sex (well unless they shoot with a certain famous celebrity photographer. lol)

Yes I know what you mean, its why my wife and I also have a boudoir business (different business name) - so many customers are just so excited about it you can't help to feel good yourself.

GCobb Photography wrote:
Modeling nude for money is no different than those who dance or have danced for financial purposes.

CasaDiBerardi wrote:
Since I joined MM in early May, about 50 photographers have asked me to be a subject for their lense(s)...about 40/50 of those photographers are asking for me to pose nude. I've been struggling a lot financially and it is tempting, but I had a negative and unfavorable experience occur while I was younger and will not pose for legal/business related reasons. Is the reason women are more often paid better for these types of shoots because it is implied there is more value to a naked body vs. a clothed body? If so, in what sense is there more value to her naked body? Are there any models reading this who have posed nude more out of desperation/for the money rather than having thoroughly enjoyed this type of work?

The reason why nude models get more paying jobs than non-nude models is simply supply & demand.  You are competing with your locally available models, and not all of your models are willing to pose nude.  So, if there are more photographers interested in nude photography than models, those models can demand a higher rate.

Helena Christensen (supermodel) once said (paraphrasing):  "Posing nude is like getting a tattoo -- it's a decision that will follow you for the rest of your life".

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Helena Christensen (supermodel) once said (paraphrasing):  "Posing nude is like getting a tattoo -- it's a decision that will follow you for the rest of your life".

I just don't see the stigma with nude modeling that is being brought up here, and I grew up in the bible belt.

I also don't see how having tasteful nude photos "out there" could be a curse on someone's life?

CasaDiBerardi wrote:

Yes, I see there are a fewer models willing to pose nude, and there must be a good reason for it? I know the pornography industry is lucrative, but there must be some REASON there are fewer models willing to pose nude. I'm not sure if there's just a stigma about posing nude, or if there is actually something unethical about it that leads a model to intuitively decline these types of offers. Yes, a lot has changed in 111 years. For one, people can now click there way into a sexual experience in front of a throbbing neon screen. I'm not sure if that's progressive or not.

There are many models who pose nude.

Dekilah wrote:
At this point I am only responding to the OP. I may come back later to give more insight ^_^

I do not think it is a matter of there simply being more value to a nude body than a clothed body. I am sure there are fashion models out there who get paid much more than at least most nude models. However, there is a sort of value in the whole supply and demand aspect. There are many fewer models willing to pose nude and even fewer who do so comfortably, enjoying it, and pose well, etc. These models are in fairly high demand, but relatively low supply (similar to girls with fashion stats in a way). Nude photos are often more likely to be sources of revenue either via selling to collectors, selling individual prints to people who appreciate the form, or simply because of sex appeal in the case of some styles. Because of this, the average MM nude model is more likely to get paid than a clothed MM model because the photographer is much more likely to be able to make his money back through the images.

I have shot with photographers who have paid me to shoot nudes primarily for entry into art exhibitions or to sell fine art prints. I shoot mainly art nudes, so this makes sense. I also shoot sets of myself in various nude styles mainly art, sensual glamour, and vintage style pin-up, plus a bit of more nudist styles (doing normal things naked, but not "sexy"). I have these sets on a site called Zivity where people cast votes. Each votes earns me 55 cents. I also shoot pieces just for the sake of my own artistic creation and to sell prints (hopefully). I also hope one day to be able to exhibit some of my nude self portraits. For me it is a deeply open and honest form of art.

At one time, shortly after I began nude modeling, I did try to turn nude modeling into a "job." However, I was living in East TN with no ability to travel and there really is little sustainable market for a nude model there. It became a frustration and a burden. I got to the point where I was frustrated at the beginning of every shoot and trying to book. I loved the actual process of shooting, but the dependency on the money was killing my creativity. I finally gave up on it and just took the projects that I liked

The funny thing is, if I did not mind being busy all the time shooting, it probably could be a pretty decent job for me now, but I would lose out on other things I would like to do so I have not pursued that.

At this point I only model for projects I like and I am thankful that I am able to do what I love as a hobby that sometimes creates income versus a job.

I know many models who model full time as their job and they are very good at it.

CasaDiBerardi wrote:
Since I joined MM in early May, about 50 photographers have asked me to be a subject for their lense(s)...about 40/50 of those photographers are asking for me to pose nude. I've been struggling a lot financially and it is tempting, but I had a negative and unfavorable experience occur while I was younger and will not pose for legal/business related reasons. Is the reason women are more often paid better for these types of shoots because it is implied there is more value to a naked body vs. a clothed body? If so, in what sense is there more value to her naked body? Are there any models reading this who have posed nude more out of desperation/for the money rather than having thoroughly enjoyed this type of work?

Jerry Nemeth wrote:
I know many llamas who llama full time as their job and they are very good at it.

Your quoting my post and then commenting as you did confuses me a bit. I hope I did not come off as saying llamas who do llama full time are not good at it (which is obviously not true). I was just saying that for me personally, I do not think it is a good fit at this point.

David Lumen Photography wrote:
I also don't see how having tasteful nude photos "out there" could be a curse on someone's life?

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Helena Christensen (supermodel) once said (paraphrasing):  "Posing nude is like getting a tattoo -- it's a decision that will follow you for the rest of your life".

David Lumen Photography wrote:
I just don't see the stigma with nude modeling that is being brought up here, and I grew up in the bible belt.

I also don't see how having tasteful nude photos "out there" could be a curse on someone's life?

And you grew up in the bible belt ???

IT's not what you think, or what your close(d) circle of friends/acquaintances think, it's what the larger whole of your society/community thinks -- eg your neighborhood, your work, your school, etc.

You are subject to OTHER PEOPLE, and like it or not, *that* is the real world.

People have been denied work, position, or even help, they have lost family and friends for posing nude in "tasteful" images by MM community standards.

So, realize, you live in the REAL WORLD.

And if you don't see it when you walk out the door of your house, or when you walk down your main street, then it's *PROBABLY* *NOT* a case of "everyone is doing it" or "it's ok."

Scott

CasaDiBerardi wrote:
Since I joined MM in early May, about 50 photographers have asked me to be a subject for their lense(s)...about 40/50 of those photographers are asking for me to pose nude. I've been struggling a lot financially and it is tempting, but I had a negative and unfavorable experience occur while I was younger and will not pose for legal/business related reasons. Is the reason women are more often paid better for these types of shoots because it is implied there is more value to a naked body vs. a clothed body? If so, in what sense is there more value to her naked body? Are there any models reading this who have posed nude more out of desperation/for the money rather than having thoroughly enjoyed this type of work?

It's not that there is great value in nudes, it's that there is greater value in nude models:  They are more difficult to find, more selective with whom they shoot with, and by extension are able to charge more (or at all).  Also, nude modeling is a completely separate topic from porn.  Not all nudes are meant to be arousing or even erotic, and not all porn involves nudity.

Yes, it happens sometimes that people will model nude (for various reasons) and later come to regret it, especially now that everything - and I mean everything - ends up online.  Based on what you've posted in this thread, I don't think you should do it.

BodyartBabes wrote:

Looknsee Photography wrote:
Helena Christensen (supermodel) once said (paraphrasing):  "Posing nude is like getting a tattoo -- it's a decision that will follow you for the rest of your life".

And you grew up in the bible belt ???

IT's not what you think, or what your close(d) circle of friends/acquaintances think, it's what the larger whole of your society/community thinks -- eg your neighborhood, your work, your school, etc.

You are subject to OTHER PEOPLE, and like it or not, *that* is the real world.

People have been denied work, position, or even help, they have lost family and friends for posing nude in "tasteful" images by MM community standards.

So, realize, you live in the REAL WORLD.

And if you don't see it when you walk out the door of your house, or when you walk down your main street, then it's *PROBABLY* *NOT* a case of "everyone is doing it" or "it's ok."

Scott

Our culture is brimming with discrimination by people who are different than they are themselves.  I am a white male and have been discriminated against for being a white male, too young, too old, married, not married, having children, not having children, too much education, not enough education, hair too short, hair not long enough, no body art, a non-smoker, a light drinker, driving an older car, not having a ton of money, and on MM I suspect not being a great or published photographer...and the list of silly shit goes on and on.  And yes, I do live in the REAL WORLD and just keep trucking on.  I don't expect to please everyone, and I don't live my life that way either.

We have actresses that are nude on the big screen, and they don't seem to suffer.  We have women doing spreads in Hustler, and they go on tour and make a living at photo shoots.  These women live in the real world, and the people that would discriminate against these women would likely find another reason if they didn't have the nude one.

hartcons wrote:
we've had really tame boudoir ads cancelled on fbook. a local magazine publisher wouldn't touch anything related to boudoir (again very tame). and the local paper (owned by gannette) vetoed a picture chosen by their agent for a boudoir Deal Chicken (like a local groupon). then again our town was founded in like 1850 and i don't think it has changed much since then. lol.

it's weird though because we have as many strip clubs as starbucks. i guess the men are busy playing with strippers while the women are trying to get the strippers burned at the stake.

Salem is the poster child for the leftist, socialist agenda.  They attack anything controversial as though they are the majority opinion, and they demand political correctness so that no one is ever offended...as though offending someone is a crime.  This "shout down" atmosphere allows them the right of way they need to advance their agenda.  I'm not surprised about trying to get ads published there...as they don't miss an opportunity to shout any kind of publication into submission.  It's not about nudity or strip clubs, it's about control.