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I’ve recently started working toward packaging and selling some of my work online. I’d also like to begin submitting for publication to various art magazines. The type of content that monetizes effectively is sexy and often includes nudity, though I prioritize a level of art and quality regardless of the type of content. While my budget is limited right now, I want to build my content offerings in a way that is equitable for everyone involved. For those open to it, I can offer the following for trade: - Content share (some photos will belong to the model, others to me) - Revenue share on sets sold - Other photo/video services (e.g., a different shoot of the model's choice, covering an event, editing, etc.) - Professional website design/creation/management services - Professional writing services In select cases, I can also pay a reasonable hourly rate. I’m looking to create the following content. Of course, the value of the arrangement would increase with the monetization value of the shoot. - Fine art implied - Fine art nude - Editorial nude - Erotic art This could be beneficial for models looking to build their nude and/or fine art modeling portfolio, create more OnlyFans content, or sell packaged sets the same way I am. Are there female models out there who would be interested in a trade arrangement as described above? I’m looking for those interested, but also open to thoughts and feedback. Thanks in advance. Apr 23 24 08:31 am Link for feedback, you're reinventing a wheel, this is just TFP and nobody's really cracked the code for making an onlyfans specific trade like which pics are mine, which are yours, as its only been several years of this possibility and prevalance. everyone wants this, budget constrained or not, to casually shoot with a fun attractive muse in various levels of undress with a side helping of creative expression I would say their safety or your reputation is an afterthought to people being simply unmotivated in participating in this, especially in LA with the vast distances and obstacles to traverse them, people are not reliable for this. on the flip side, there are SO MANY models that if you want to use your time like this, knock yourself out Far more reliable to just offer a budget close to the market rate, which is somewhere between $100-$150 per hour. there is a decent amount of talent at $200-$400 as well, but just as talented models that book in volume are available at the lower range. Apr 23 24 01:24 pm Link I think you will find that a revenue sharing proposition won’t attract many models. For one, they don’t know if there’s any realistic chance the shoot images will actually produce revenues. Another issue is that trying to keep track of what revenues are produced and the people involved can quickly turn into a logistical nightmare. I still get revenues from images produced years ago. How’s a model to know what you are earning and ensure she’s getting her fair share over time? If you think you can make money on your images, simply pay a model having a release and full disclosure to this effect and avoid the headaches involved in revenue sharing. I did a few trade shoots with musicians who received images to use to promote themselves and I received images to sell, but they weren’t MM models. Apr 23 24 06:01 pm Link Abbitt Photography wrote: This! I've photographed many models and musicians. When shooting musicians at concerts for editorial purposes, no money is exchanged but I'm under agreement that the purpose is for editorial only. I can't go making posters or t-shirts and selling them. More often I pay models rather than TFP for the purpose of my using the images to derive an income. Regardless if it's a band promo shot or a model needing some images I'm photographing for pay, it's often times to provide some sort of "use rights" that are agreed to before the shoot. The idea that the OP has regarding shared proceeds is a risky one to me. Anyone can create a business plan that they wish to try, however it just does not guarantee success. Apr 23 24 06:35 pm Link Thanks for the feedback so far. FWIW, I don’t tend to have any trouble finding models for TFP shoots, including boudoir and bikini. However, as these would be mostly nudes and for-profit, I thought it unrealistic (and unfair) to expect TFP alone would be fair compensation. I’m attempting to offer services of significant value that would meet or exceed a reasonable hourly rate. This will not work for everyone, but may be a useful arrangement for some, in theory. I admit that revenue sharing is not my favorite idea for the reasons those above brought up. I would be open to it but wouldn’t do it for everyone. Obviously, I’d rather be able to just pay everyone outright. If I could do that consistently, I wouldn’t have made this post. Apr 23 24 07:27 pm Link Adam Thede wrote: I think what’s fair is what ever two knowledgeable parties think is fair and agree to. As I said, I’ve had musicians who were ecstatic to get promotional images from a TF shoot without having to pay. They were not revenue sharing, each party being free to profit from the images as they could. It appears Patrick has apparently experienced similar. Apr 23 24 08:30 pm Link Abbitt Photography wrote: I largely agree, which is why I’m not offering TFP or just photo shoots, but other professional services both related and unrelated to photography itself. Apr 23 24 08:48 pm Link That said, you may be right that this approach won’t appeal to the MM crowd. Unfortunately, there aren’t any good alternative platforms that I’ve found so far. Apr 23 24 08:54 pm Link In the UK it's unusual for models to work to nude levels on a trade or TFP (time for prints) basis, normally the photographer has to pay the model at an hourly rate, typically £30.00 to £40.00 per hour. The reasons for this are related to the laws of supply and demand I think, there are usually more photographers than models. Apr 24 24 03:16 am Link Sharing photos is easy, sharing $$ is a bookkeeping nightmare how do you keep track of it? A simple TFP where you shoot the photos you want and what she wants and you share the photos that she can use on a pay site and you embargo those shots from any pay program you have for a period of time. OF, like most social media needs a constant feed of content and as such images have a short life of being a draw, days. Apr 24 24 07:22 am Link Adam Thede wrote: Just want to make a note to everyone that OP has reached a conclusion way up here. OP you don't have to rebut everyone that replies, but the thread will likely keep getting more people chiming in over time. Apr 24 24 11:56 am Link |