IMAGINERIES wrote:

An other topic.... Religion and politic...In France I never, never heard a politician mention god!!..It would be a political suicide.
De Gaulle, a devout practicing catholic new it. We would never print the name God on banknotes and I think it is the same for most of the world. Oh....Well, in the UK the Queen is blessed screw the rest...

Europeans might think it odd that Americans put God on their money, but they seem to get over it when we have to pay for something.
they would take it if it had God on it or Ronald McDonald.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Hey cut Trump some slack with our investigative institutions. the guy was investigated for 2 years at a cost of roughly 32 million dollars by a dossier built on paid for lies by by an opposing Candidate to find phoney collusion, which they couldn't find  so they went for the Justice department version of turning a speeding ticket into a cracked mirror with the results of the investigation to at least have SOMETHING to show for it.

Tony, quit your trolling.  You already know that you just deliberately and completely lied through your teeth.

For those (unlike Tony) who don't already know, Mueller made clear that they were NOT allowed to consider any possible criminal charges by the President WHILE HE IS PRESIDENT.  And he also made it crystal clear, that is not the case, once Trump leaves office, whatever they choose to do or not do, down the road.  He also referred certain criminal investigations over to New York (to try and distance them from any interference) WHERE THOSE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVING TRUMP CONTINUE.

Mueller also turned in more than 34 guilty pleas or indictments, including Russian "agents" and a remarkably large number of Trump's top people.

You already know all of this.  You've been part of discussions over those facts over and over again.

You've repeatedly acknowledged the enjoyment you get from deliberately tossing around this kind of garbage, just "for fun". 

PLEASE STOP.  JUST STOP.   It's VERY serious business.  And the last thing people need, is DELIBERATE TROLLING that you already know is FALSE, "JUST FOR FUN".

LightDreams wrote:
Tony, quit your trolling.  You already know that you just deliberately and completely lied through your teeth.

For those (unlike Tony) who don't already know, Mueller made clear that they were NOT allowed to consider any possible criminal charges by the President WHILE HE IS PRESIDENT.  And he also made it crystal clear, that is not the case, once Trump leaves office, whatever they choose to do or not do, down the road.  He also referred certain criminal investigations over to New York (to try and distance them from any interference) WHERE THOSE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS INVOLVING TRUMP CONTINUE.

Mueller also turned in more than 34 guilty pleas or indictments, including Russian "agents" and a remarkably large number of Trump's top people.

You already know all of this.  You've been part of discussions over those facts over and over again.

You've repeatedly acknowledged the enjoyment you get from deliberately tossing around this kind of garbage, just "for fun". 

PLEASE STOP.  JUST STOP.   It's VERY serious business.  And the last thing people need, is DELIBERATE TROLLING that you already know is FALSE, "JUST FOR FUN".

Oh geezuz edith

The facts are the whole investigation was downgraded once Mueller didnt deliver the goods. so now all of you are turning lemons into lemonade with, no! ..that was the strategery all along!  it wasnt really about Donald Goldeneye Trump colluding with the Russians, it was about a myriad of lesser bullshit charges every other politician has committed while in office to get him on something to say, Hey 32 million WELL SPENT!

Oh, and another thing, you can cease with the whole "trolling thing". what *is* it with liberals not being able to take any viewpoint different than their own without going for the nuclear option?   some of us can take opposing views unlike your party which is calling for the heads of everyone from TV chefs to teen pop idols.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Oh geezuz edith

The facts are the whole investigation was downgraded once Mueller didnt deliver the goods. so now all of you are turning lemons into lemonade with, no! ..that was the strategery all along!  it wasnt really about Donald Goldeneye Trump colluding with the Russians, it was about a myriad of lesser bullshit charges every other politician has committed while in office to get him on something to say, Hey 32 million WELL SPENT!

Oh, and another thing, you can cease with the whole "trolling thing". what *is* it with liberals not being able to take any viewpoint different than their own without going for the nuclear option?   some of us can take opposing views unlike your party which is calling for the heads of everyone from TV chefs to teen pop idols.

Tony, I do not have problem with opposing viewpoints.  I have a problem when you're discussion history makes it clear that you ALREADY KNOW that what you are saying is completely false, AND you've acknowledged how you like to "have fun" posting this sort of stuff, and so YOU DO IT ANYWAY.  KNOWING IT'S FALSE.

So please don't try and claim it's about opposing viewpoints.  Sincere opposing viewpoints are good.  A discussion of facts follows, on all sides, and everyone usually learns something in the process.  The key is "sincere" opposing viewpoints.

As to your other point.  Well as you also already know (as per your discussion with FocusPuller), there's an entire section of the Mueller report devoted to the issues around "Russian Collusion".  And a remarkable number of the INDICTMENTS were specifically involving the Russians, Russian "agents", and Trump people (like Flynn) pleading guilty to lying about their contacts with the Russians during the investigations.

Again, you already know all of that, from your previous discussions on it.  And EVEN NOW, you're saying it wasn't really about the involvement with the Russians.

So, if the facts are that you definitely know that you were posting (repeatedly) completely false information, and you've acknowledged that you have "fun" doing just that, and you have a truly remarkable track record of posts that have been removed either for "spreading false information" or for deliberately "being inflammatory", well at what point do YOU think it should be acknowledged as deliberate "TROLLING"...?

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Oh geezuz edith

The facts are the whole investigation was downgraded once Mueller didnt deliver the goods. so now all of you are turning lemons into lemonade with, no! ..that was the strategery all along!  it wasnt really about Donald Goldeneye Trump colluding with the Russians, it was about a myriad of lesser bullshit charges every other politician has committed while in office to get him on something to say, Hey 32 million WELL SPENT!

Oh, and another thing, you can cease with the whole "trolling thing". what *is* it with liberals not being able to take any viewpoint different than their own without going for the nuclear option?   some of us can take opposing views unlike your party which is calling for the heads of everyone from TV chefs to teen pop idols.

trump WAS NOT cleared and there is a whole lot of investigation that could yet occur regarding what Mueller SHOULD HAVE investigated.  The Mueller investigation was improperly impeded by the DOJ and lies by trump and his administration. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4545 … estigation

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/ … 294a7d35e9

The investigation probably would have been triggered without the dossier.
https://apnews.com/article/15001620f4a7 … cbefadfbd0

By your logic, if an investigation costs to much, no investigation should be made.  Consequently, every time a police officer has to go to court over a traffic violation, the case should be dismissed because the cost exceeds an arbitrary amount of value for the crime.  Does the value of a traffic ticket even begin to cover the cop's time, the vehicle value, the cost of the court facilities, the time of the judge and court workers and court security?

The murder of a prostitute should be ignored because of her "relative value," but the murder of a "white, wealthy socialite" should be investigated to the full extent of the law?  But only if the suspect is a minority and poor?

trump and/or his minions broke laws and there was sufficient evidence to pursue an investigation.  How much did it cost the taxpayer to try to keep Flynn out of jail and why didn't trump have the gonads to pardon him months ago instead of wasting all that taxpayer money?  Flynn and others plead guilty so there is no doubt that the law was broken.

Are we a nation of laws or not, Tony?

And yeah, you do troll.   A lot.

IMAGINERIES wrote:
Do they have a chance to change the "image" of the Republican party?

The real question is, what is that image exactly?

jmillerpainter wrote:
The real question is, what is that image exactly?

They did gain seats in the house. 10? Have not looked lately.

Focuspuller wrote:
"Oh geezuz edith "

Wherein a MAGAT self-reveals he is an Archie Bunker - prejudiced, close-minded, ignorant, and WRONG. His wife, Edith, outwardly portrayed as slightly ditzy, proves to be the kinder, better person. Quite an admission.

Gosh, like when the current newly elected president said...

“In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.”
awww Jezuz Edith




Boy the way Glenn Miller played....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI46_zBGv1A

MURICA!

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Dont get butt hurt. we are both taking different sides to a topic.

When the two "sides" cannot agree on facts, they're not different sides; they're factual vs "alternative facts" (aka falsehoods).

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Hey cut Trump some slack with our investigative institutions. the guy was investigated for 2 years at a cost of roughly 32 million dollars by a dossier built on paid for lies by by an opposing Candidate to find phoney collusion, which they couldn't find  so they went for the Justice department version of turning a speeding ticket into a cracked mirror with the results of the investigation to at least have SOMETHING to show for it.

yeah, sacred institution..,,please...our most sacred institutions from the justice department, FBI to the CIA were bought like a DJ for a wedding to target a fellow american because they didn't like their preferred candidate lost. Murica!

The fact is tRump is a 2x convicted conman and racketeer, fined $2 million and $25 million respectively for stealing from charity and also ripping off hardworking Americans.
These crimes, on top of the hundreds of other dishonest and sleezy dealings he's had with businesses, banks, taxes and accusations from unpaid contractors, assaulted wives and raped female associates, would be more than enough to convince the average person he is not a trustworthy kinda guy.
Just because he claims to be innocent, it doesn't mean it's true Tony.

...Yet still you choose to believe every word from a convicted liar and thief, simply because he claims to be innocent. lol

Hey Tony I have a lovely bridge down by the bay I'd like to sell if you're interested.



If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

Tony From Syracuse wrote:
Dont get butt hurt. we are both taking different sides to a topic.
you lot cant delete,suppress and censor your way thru everything in life because someone is taking the other side and you want to make it go away so no one else can see it.

You aren't debating anything.  You are showing your immaturity and the weakness of your argument binging up the same thing over and over again as if it is significant, without making a single viable argument supporting your stance.  All you are doing is proving your concepts are losers.  You are proving you are a troll.    You don't post repetitive bullshit to discuss it.  You have no substance.  As I said, you add nothing to the conversation.

If your goal is to make people angry, you have failed, at least as far as I am concerned.  All you have done is make the conversation about you, prove you have no credibility- you insist on being pathetic.

IMAGINERIES wrote:
Do they have a chance to change the "image" of the Republican party?

The Lincoln Project was not set up for that purpose, but rather to help insure that Trump wouldn't be re-elected. In the process they did add a bit of credibility to the rare notion that not the entire Republican party is as wacko as the overwhelming number of its most ardent supporters seem to be at this point.

It was wonderful to watch them (the L.P.) do their best, and no doubt they did have some effect. However, it will take a lot more than that group's noble anti-Trump efforts to change the image of the GOP. The party will be lucky to remain in existence at all, given what they have done to the country and its populace.

It took many decades of commercial brainwashing and self-induced stupor for the American public to become so mentally malleable, and thus so susceptible to the masterful manipulations of Donnybrook Donald and his acolytes. The entire society needs to wake up from its TV-and-internet-induced idiocy. I'm not too optimistic that will happen anytime soon, though I think Biden will engender a much different and much more sane milieu in short order, despite the opposition that is sure to come his way.

Modelphilia wrote:
The Lincoln Project was not set up for that purpose, but rather to help insure that Trump wouldn't be re-elected. In the process they did add a bit of credibility to the rare notion that not the entire Republican party is as wacko as the overwhelming number of its most ardent supporters seem to be at this point.

It was wonderful to watch them (the L.P.) do their best, and no doubt they did have some effect. However, it will take a lot more than that group's noble anti-Trump efforts to change the image of the GOP. The party will be lucky to remain in existence at all, given what they have done to the country and its populace.

It took many decades of commercial brainwashing and self-induced stupor for the American public to become so mentally malleable, and thus so susceptible to the masterful manipulations of Donnybrook Donald and his acolytes. The entire society needs to wake up from its TV-and-internet-induced idiocy. I'm not too optimistic that will happen anytime soon, though I think Biden will engender a much different and much more sane milieu in short order, despite the opposition that is sure to come his way.

Before the election they (the Lincoln Project) "did add a bit of credibility to the rare notion that not the entire Republican party is as wacko as the overwhelming number of its most ardent supporters seem to be at this point."  The election changed that perception because 74 million people supported wacko. 

I would have agreed before the election that the republican party was endangered, but not now.  They have their propaganda arm and loyal followers who are incapable of critical thinking. I once thought, based on the rapid acceptance of same sex marriage that was occurring prior to the Supreme Court ruling legalizing it, that the youth of the country would make the Republican party irrelevant.  However, I can't imagine that the racist party achieved 74 million votes for a dishonest and corrupt leader without a portion of the youth accepting the core lies of trump and the Republican Party.

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
the overwhelming number of its most ardent supporters seem to be at this point."  The election changed that perception because 74 million people supported wacko.

"Lesser of two evils" seems to be a common theme among voters

Maybe Biden policy scared them worse.

nwprophoto wrote:
Maybe Biden policy scared them worse.

It sure scares me, starting with his anti-second amendment stance.  The thought of a Harris administration scares me even more.

Let's face it, if ideas like the Green New Deal is so popular with the American voter, why aren't half the vehicles on the road today electric or hybrid?

JustHenry wrote:
why aren't half the vehicles on the road today electric or hybrid?

Those awkward facts about lithium batteries you likely never see in a Tesla ad.

Hunter  GWPB wrote:
I would have agreed before the election that the republican party was endangered, but not now.  They have their propaganda arm and loyal followers who are incapable of critical thinking. I once thought, based on the rapid acceptance of same sex marriage that was occurring prior to the Supreme Court ruling legalizing it, that the youth of the country would make the Republican party irrelevant.  However, I can't imagine that the racist party achieved 74 million votes for a dishonest and corrupt leader without a portion of the youth accepting the core lies of trump and the Republican Party.

Two points:

1. The most thoughtful, non-crazy and thoroughly-Trump-shamed GOP leaders themselves think that the survival of the party is very much in danger.

2. Yes, there was a *small* portion of the youth vote (ages18-29) that came out and voted for Donnybrook. However, Donny-boy LOST a considerable amount of them that he had won in 2016, according to post-election analyses.

JustHenry wrote:
Let's face it, if ideas like the Green New Deal is so popular with the American voter, why aren't half the vehicles on the road today electric or hybrid?

Just give the automakers another five years and half the vehicles on the road likely will be electric. Witness that every major automaker is heading into electric vehicle manufacturing, and that they all told Donny-Boy to take a hike when he tried to shut down that process.

And, btw, Elon Musk has admirably made the Tesla technology freely available to all of them.

Modelphilia wrote:
Just give the automakers another five years and half the vehicles on the road likely will be electric..

Great for Hawaii but what about people that live in cold climates?

Not to mention all the geopolitical aspects, finite supplies, environmental impacts of mining and toxic waste.

nwprophoto wrote:
Great for Hawaii but what about people that live in cold climates?

Not to mention all the geopolitical aspects, finite supplies, environmental impacts of mining and toxic waste.

Hunh?

What do cold climates have to do with it? Please elaborate a bit and fill in some of your underlying reasoning for that and your other statement.

Modelphilia wrote:
What do cold climates have to do with it?

You can not charge a lithium battery if it is below freezing. Destroys it.
Freezing temperatures cause battery degradation (some debate on that one).
You will see around a 50% reduction in range and rapidly accelerated
decrease in battery life under cold conditions.
High temperatures also have similar destructive effects.

I should have also mentioned in the previous post about
the vast amount of infrastructure that would be needed
to support EV's. Also the lack of affordability to a lot of people.

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/q … -harm-them

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/lith … 39456.html

nwprophoto wrote:
You can not charge a lithium battery if it is below freezing. Destroys it.
Freezing temperatures cause battery degradation (some debate on that one).
You will see around a 50% reduction in range and rapidly accelerated
decrease in battery life under cold conditions.
High temperatures also have similar destructive effects.

I should have also mentioned in the previous post about
the vast amount of infrastructure that would be needed
to support EV's. Also the lack of affordability to a lot of people.

https://electronics.stackexchange.com/q … -harm-them

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/lith … 39456.html

A lot of it, I guess, just depends on where you are.   Around my particular area of Greater Vancouver, I see more Tesla cars on the road than any other brand.  I'm not claiming that's in any way typical, but supportive infrastructure and price, certainly doesn't seem to have been an issue around here...

I also noticed that on July 1st, Tesla's market cap made them worth more than any other car company on the planet, including the usual frontrunner, Toyota.  This July 1st financial article (below) had them bigger than Toyota, Coca-cola, Disney and Exxon Mobil.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/tesla-i … -1.5007240

The good news for Americans, is that they once again have a competitive American automotive company back on the stage.

Modelphilia wrote:
. . . And, since at least one form of lithium has beneficial effects when administered in the treatment of schizophrenia, perhaps some of it escaping into the wild will help to quell the widespread political craziness. ;<]]

No, it definitely won't.  Yes, it WILL.  NO, IT WON'T! 

Modelphilia wrote:
It would be interesting to know how Tesla and other e-cars are selling in cold climates, and how those owners are faring with them.

You had me curious.  A call to a friend that regularly uses his Tesla Model S (0 to 60 in 2.4 seconds) for ski trips up to the mountains and Whistler, suggested he had fewer problems with the cold than he did with his previous, regular (luxury) vehicles.

Thinking that might be an exception, I did some Googling and apparently the Tesla Model 3, in particular, is very well suited to very cold weather, including 40 degrees below.  UNLIKE some other electric vehicles.

The general consensus seems to be temporarily reduced range, but at least part of that is more energy being used to keep the vehicle and batteries warm, etc.   I have no idea what Tesla does differently on the Tesla Model 3, but they seem to be doing something right.

"How does a Tesla Model 3 perform in an Arctic Circle winter?"
https://electrek.co/2020/02/11/tesla-mo … le-winter/

"Check Out This Tesla Model 3 In -40 Degree Canadian Winter Conditions"
https://insideevs.com/features/394055/v … er-canada/

"TESLA:  Winter Driving Tips"
https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/support/winter-driving-tips

Rik Williams wrote:
...Yet still you choose to believe every word from a convicted liar and thief, simply because he claims to be innocent. lol

HIf you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

You don't think I could find democrats from low level to high who were busted in scandals...illegal payoffs... and campaign contributions from foreign governments? very easily. Hillary was ordered to turn over evidence by the FBI and she actually destroyed the evidence. you...and me...we would be buried UNDER the prison.

the terms you use against Trump, conman, liar, could be painted against pretty much every other politician because they mostly all partake in the same stuff.

so ...you sound like a member of the crips, complaining about the crimes of the bloods. you think YOUR guys are innocent on their say so.  ignorance.... all .....around.