Dan K Photography wrote:
I fail to see how what you wrote has anything to do with the points he made. What does app sales comparisons between the two platforms have to do with there being equivalent apps on both of them?

This is what he disagreed with:

"Apple on the other hand, has what I now consider an insurmountable lead with iPad apps and it will be at least two years, if not longer for other ecosystems to even get close. Even if they did Apple won’t stand still and two years from now their software ecosystem will be even bigger and stronger."

(and I did not write that - came from a tech site)

(and perhaps if you read the links?)

or this one from Computerworld:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/19855/op … and_beyond

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Tony Lawrence wrote:
I predict the iPad HD will outsell the iPad 1 and 2 combined.   This will be a game changer.

I also predict that apple will drop the Ipad 2 more than 100 bucks a lot sooner due to the same price as the Ipad 2 before the 100 dollar drop and the bigger benefits that the new one has.

Quang Dang wrote:
Whoever owning iPad 1 or 2, Samsung, Blackberry Playbook (which sucks btw), Sony or any others clones should think to sell them and buy this one

Just a thought!

Sell it for what? Don't get me wrong here, it's nice and all, but it's just another Tablet with something that isn't going to make my Tablet dated. Marketing is a mother, where they can have some programmed to believe that they just gotta have it (you really don't need it that bad) to the degree where if you don't have it, your career will end.

Give it a little time, the other Tablets will have the same features. Competition is good and so is preference.

ACPhotography wrote:

Can't watch it, I'm mobile on my iPad 2, lol....

Me too, oh the irony ... an iPad story in flash format lol

Legacys 7 wrote:
it's nice and all, but it's just another Tablet with something that isn't going to make my Tablet dated. Give it a little time, the other Tablets will have the same features..

You think?

Me thinks you haven't watched the Keynote:

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1 … index.html

And by the time the "other" tablets will come *close*, six months at least (more likely a year or two) has passed and your competition are all showing their work on the amazing Retina display and grabbing the attention. 

=*^)


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http://www.ChristerArt.com

Legacys 7 wrote:
Sell it for what? Don't get me wrong here, it's nice and all, but it's just another Tablet with something that isn't going to make my Tablet dated.

Give it a little time, the other Tablets will have the same features. Competition is good and so is preference.

Buying or keeping or switching it's a personal choice. So do what you want dude whatever make you happy.

and like I said it's just thought

ACPhotography wrote:

I'll see the new features when I'm back at a computer, I wasn't planning to upgrade my 1 to a 2 till my daughter got a hold of it and broke the screen.

They have AppleCare+ for the iPad 3 now.  It's $99USD for two years of phone tech support, two year hardware coverage & it also covers two incidences of accidental damage, such as a cracked screen or liquid damage, for only $49USD each (same as the AC+ for iPhone4S).  The original AppleCare protection Plan does NOT cover accidental damage.


... yes, I work for Apple.  lol  When you call Apple for tech support you could speak to me! 

Quang Dang wrote:
holy shit! the new iPad deliver 10hour battery life power

Starting at $499 (16gb) same price as iPad 2 WOW!!

Available at March 16th in store... I FREAKIN' WANT right now Pre-order LOL!

Yeah, when new iPads come out, they stay the same price as he previous version while the older one drop $100.

Tony Lawrence wrote:
I just called Apple.   They said once the event ends they will know when the stores will get them.   Some sites are saying March 16th.   Get your $500.00 or more ready guys!

It is March 16th.

Quang Dang wrote:

Buying or keeping or switching it's a personal choice. So do what you want dude whatever make you happy.

and like I said it's just thought

I know that it's a thought. Seeing that you posted, I just had to interject my "thought" too.

ChristerArt wrote:

You think?

Me thinks you haven't watched the Keynote:

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1 … index.html

And by the time the "other" tablets will come *close*, six months at least (more likely a year or two) has passed and your competition are all showing their work on the amazing Retina display and grabbing the attention. 

=*^)


Christer

http://www.ChristerRosewellPhotography.com
http://www.ChristerArt.com

Not think. I know. Let's keep in mind, "showing their work" is going to depend who and what is being showed. For many, "showing their work" on a current pad/Tablet will suffice. For others, "showing their work" photography will suffice with both.

Like I'd said, give a little time and others will have the same. And my overall point, this is not a make or break for current Tablet owners where it's going to make their current Tablet dated anytime soon.

Legacys 7 wrote:
And my overall point, this is not a make or break for current Tablet owners where it's going to make their current Tablet dated anytime soon.

Actually, the retina display made them (out) dated in an instant - or at least on March 16.


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ChristerArt wrote:

Actually, the retina display made them (out) dated in an instant - or at least on March 16.


Christer

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Smh. No it has not. Last that I'd checked, by Tablet is still doing what is still being done online and off line. Unless there was some hidden message where the technology just changed as soon as the Ipad put out the video to the effect that Tablets no longer work as of two days ago. All of the other Tablets are fine. Get real.

Legacys 7 wrote:

Smh. No it has not. Last that I'd checked, by Tablet is still doing what is still being done online and off line. Unless there was some hidden message where the technology just changed as soon as the Ipad put out the video to the effect that Tablets no longer work as of two days ago. All of the other Tablets are fine. Get real.

Sure the "tablet" still doing what it did - and unless it was an iPad2 it probably wasn't doing too good actually (according to the reports you see everywhere).

I *am* real - the retina display is going to make all other tablet displays a 2nd rate display - even the iPad2 is going to look "has been".

All you have to do is look at the old iPhone and then look at the retina display of the new one. I have an old G3 here - still works fine but do I use it?

No, except for using it as music player on my Fatman iTube amp:

http://www.fat-man.co.uk/

I don't want to use it. The screen is poor. The 4S however is a pleasure to use and look at.

That's what's going to happen when the new iPad comes out. Everything that is out there will look "poor" - even the iPad2 will look like the poor cousin.

*That's* the reality.


Christer

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http://www.ChristerArt.com

ChristerArt wrote:

Actually, the retina display made them (out) dated in an instant - or at least on March 16.


Christer

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http://www.ChristerArt.com

I'm not a Apple fan boy but, I agree with your assessment to a degree more so to those considering buying a new tablet.   For a photographer a screen as sharp as the new Ipad is huge.   Its a problem for the competition who can't now price their products close to even the most basic iPad 16gb.   The apps don't mean as much because other then a few games many buyers don't care all that much.   The average buyer just goes on-line and plays games on the pads.   Android tablets have several major problems.   One is that if you have one that came with Gingerbread or Honeycomb, upgrading may be difficult if done at all.   Second google has cracked down on this but the security issue.   A lot of the homegrown apps have spyware built in.

Apple has a tight rein on apps.   Although, I jailbreak mine all the time.   I really do see this as a gamechanger though.

ChristerArt wrote:
Sure the "tablet" still doing what it did - and unless it was an iPad2 it probably wasn't doing too good actually (according to the reports you see everywhere).

I *am* real - the retina display is going to make all other tablet displays a 2nd rate display - even the iPad2 is going to look "has been".

All you have to do is look at the old iPhone and then look at the retina display of the new one. I have an old G3 here - still works fine but do I use it?

No, except for using it as music player on my Fatman iTube amp:

http://www.fat-man.co.uk/

I don't want to use it. The screen is poor. The 4S however is a pleasure to use and look at.

That's what's going to happen when the new iPad comes out. Everything that is out there will look "poor" - even the iPad2 will look like the poor cousin.

*That's* the reality.


Christer

http://www.ChristerRosewellPhotography.com
http://www.ChristerArt.com

no the reality is preference. If Apple is the game changer, then all of the Windows buyers would've jumped ship a long time ago. People will still use their "dated" tablets until things with the others change and move in the same direction that Apple is doing. But it's not going to make them jump ship immediately. There are a lot of us out there who don't have to have it because we feel aka conditioned to believe things will come to an end asap. Windows and Apple change o.s. but many still use their old o.s. and have been using them for years until they know that they don't have a choice. When that happens, you'll see people leave their old tablets, laptops, smart phones and desktops vs. because Apple's retina has made them do it as of 4 days ago. Game changers are real, but game changers in general don't happen overnight. The first Ipad and Iphone were game changers, but Android came in the game later and their o.s. is doing well on the phones. I can't say the same about the Tablets because it's from other companies and they vary vs. (mobile) o.s. vs. o.s.

The problem with them as Tony has pointed out often, is price position and some of them having hardware issues. HP is a prime example of an excellent Touchpad and o.s. but lack of apps where they had the balls to price it at the same as Ipad. That took balls, knowing that you don't have a lot of apps.

Tony Lawrence wrote:

I'm not a Apple fan boy but, I agree with your assessment to a degree more so to those considering buying a new tablet.   For a photographer a screen as sharp as the new Ipad is huge.   Its a problem for the competition who can't now price their products close to even the most basic iPad 16gb.   The apps don't mean as much because other then a few games many buyers don't care all that much.   The average buyer just goes on-line and plays games on the pads.   Android tablets have several major problems.   One is that if you have one that came with Gingerbread or Honeycomb, upgrading may be difficult if done at all.   Second google has cracked down on this but the security issue.   A lot of the homegrown apps have spyware built in.

Apple has a tight rein on apps.   Although, I jailbreak mine all the time.   I really do see this as a gamechanger though.

Exactly my point regarding the average user. For them, it's not enough for them to jump ship. Many will keep their older Ipads/Tablets. And yes, for photographers, it is indeed a game changer. Bottom line, it's going to boil down to individuals who feel that it's enough of a game changer for their use. This would benefit me if I were to use it for portfolio purpose when send them off to clients. But at this point it's not because I use book portfolio over tablets and most prefer that still. When the majority make the transition over to Tablet portfolio, pretty much most of them will have rival technology.

Legacys 7 wrote:
no the reality is preference. If Apple is the game changer, then all of the Windows buyers would've jumped ship a long time ago. People will still use their "dated" tablets until things with the others change and move in the same direction that Apple is doing. But it's not going to make them jump ship immediately. There are a lot of us out there who don't have to have it because we feel aka conditioned to believe things will come to an end asap. Windows and Apple change o.s. but many still use their old o.s. and have been using them for years until they know that they don't have a choice. When that happens, you'll see people leave their old tablets, laptops, smart phones and desktops vs. because Apple's retina has made them do it as of 4 days ago. Game changers are real, but game changers in general don't happen overnight. The first Ipad and Iphone were game changers, but Android came in the game later and their o.s. is doing well on the phones. I can't say the same about the Tablets because it's from other companies and they vary vs. (mobile) o.s. vs. o.s.

The problem with them as Tony has pointed out often, is price position and some of them having hardware issues. HP is a prime example of an excellent Touchpad and o.s. but lack of apps where they had the balls to price it at the same as Ipad. That took balls, knowing that you don't have a lot of apps.

If you've been checking the industry over the last 5 - 6 years you'd know the Windows users *are* jumping the ship in huge numbers (except the ones who are only concerned about the cost):

"You need look no further than numbers released today by NPD (this is old - from 2009) to understand Apple’s strategy. Its revenue share of the “premium” price market — that is, computers over $1,000 — is a staggering 91%. This means that 9 out of every 10 retail dollars that is spent on PCs in that price range, goes to Apple, as Betanews’ Joe Wilcox points out. That, for lack of a better word, is insane."

"The real point is that people who are shopping for computers where price is the key factor, were never going to buy Macs anyway. They never have."

From Techcrunch:

http://techcrunch.com/2009/07/23/the-ma … n-clearer/

What they wrote then is much more relevant today. The PC makers have been going backwards lately and the only one selling more have been Apple. That's the fact - all you have to do is search the web and the facts are all there:

"The Mac has outpaced PC industry growth for 23 straight quarters. And during the last quarter of 2011, Mac sales grew 26% year-over-year compared with the overall PC industry, which was flat."

USA Today 2/16/2012:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/ … 53111484/1

That said - I still maintain that the retina display is a game changer. Just like it was with the iPhone it will be with the iPad.

My mother in law got her iPad2 for Christmas. When she was told the new iPad will have a screen like her iPhone 4s she got last fall she immediately said: "I want it. I'll give this one away."

Game changer.


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Legacys 7 wrote:
When the majority make the transition over to Tablet portfolio, pretty much most of them will have rival technology.

This is something that's been said for the last two years - OTHER manufacturers will be coming out with an iPad killer and the iPad will be a has been.

Hasn't happen yet, has it? The *only* tablet that has sold in any number is one that is selling as a loss leader - and is much smaller.

There is a lot of invention and research in the new iPad that makes it possible to drive the retina display and still give it 10 hours run time. The OTHER manufacturers are not going to be able to copy that and even less be able to make a profit - just like with the ones that has come to the market - over 100 different tablets were introduced last year and just about all of them died - quickly.

We'll see - I remember vividly the arguments on this site when the iPad was announced. There were a lot of very loud voices denigrating it - pronouncing it dead on arrival - that it would never amount to anything - what in the world are you going to use it for - and so on.

For some reason I have a deja vu moment...


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http://www.ChristerArt.com

ChristerArt wrote:
If you've been checking the industry over the last 5 - 6 years you'd know the Windows users *are* jumping the ship in huge numbers (except the ones who are only concerned about the cost):

"You need look no further than numbers released today by NPD (this is old - from 2009) to understand Apple’s strategy. Its revenue share of the “premium” price market — that is, computers over $1,000 — is a staggering 91%. This means that 9 out of every 10 retail dollars that is spent on PCs in that price range, goes to Apple, as Betanews’ Joe Wilcox points out. That, for lack of a better word, is insane."

"The real point is that people who are shopping for computers where price is the key factor, were never going to buy Macs anyway. They never have."

From Techcrunch:

http://techcrunch.com/2009/07/23/the-ma … n-clearer/

What they wrote then is much more relevant today. The PC makers have been going backwards lately and the only one selling more have been Apple. That's the fact - all you have to do is search the web and the facts are all there:

"The Mac has outpaced PC industry growth for 23 straight quarters. And during the last quarter of 2011, Mac sales grew 26% year-over-year compared with the overall PC industry, which was flat."

USA Today 2/16/2012:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/ … 53111484/1

That said - I still maintain that the retina display is a game changer. Just like it was with the iPhone it will be with the iPad.

My mother in law got her iPad2 for Christmas. When she was told the new iPad will have a screen like her iPhone 4s she got last fall she immediately said: "I want it. I'll give this one away."

Game changer.


Christer

http://www.ChristerRosewellPhotography.com
http://www.ChristerArt.com

Industry is a broaden word. You need to be more specific when you use that word. If you're talking about the photography and graphic design fields and similar, then yes, many are migrating over. If you're talking about gaming field where they make games, no. Computers being sold go beyond the industry workers and office workers primarily use Linux/Unix and Windows.

You also made my point, many that are looking for a cheaper deal never had Apple or even a higher end computer in mind unless those higher end computers are on sell. We pretty much know that from that particular consumer's point of view, an Apple's sell/deal is not a sell at all. Point? Most computer sells are sold to these type of consumers that make up the majority of computers sells.


Regarding Apple's retina being a game changer. If you read every reply from me, I never said that it wasn't a game changer. What I'd said is that it's not an immediate one where the current tablets are dated. Here's an example to make and prove my point. When the Iphone first game out, it was not an immediate game changer. BlackBerry was still ruling the cell phone and smart phone world. It wasn't until Android entered the smart phone world with their app and o.s. market etc. that actually helped Apple make the smart phone/app phone mainstream and make the other phones dated. So you owe Apple's success to a major degree to Google.

Google's success and help to Apple had more to do with their o.s. being broaden. Meaning it wasn't solely through one phone carrier. You can get them through all of the carriers and the price ranges varied. That's your average consumer. They want deals and not obligated to one price and one carrier.

My brother and his girl had the opportunity to buy the Iphone and phone plan with a discount from General Motors. Guess what they purchased? Android. He disliked the Iphone and wasn't impressed with Sirus (typo) technology. For him and many like him, he is not all into the technology thing. Don't get me wrong, he likes what they do, but simplicity is priority for him. This was yesterday's conversation.

ChristerArt wrote:
This is something that's been said for the last two years - OTHER manufacturers will be coming out with an iPad killer and the iPad will be a has been.

Hasn't happen yet, has it? The *only* tablet that has sold in any number is one that is selling as a loss leader - and is much smaller.

There is a lot of invention and research in the new iPad that makes it possible to drive the retina display and still give it 10 hours run time. The OTHER manufacturers are not going to be able to copy that and even less be able to make a profit - just like with the ones that has come to the market - over 100 different tablets were introduced last year and just about all of them died - quickly.

We'll see - I remember vividly the arguments on this site when the iPad was announced. There were a lot of very loud voices denigrating it - pronouncing it dead on arrival - that it would never amount to anything - what in the world are you going to use it for - and so on.

For some reason I have a deja vu moment...


Christer

http://www.ChristerRosewellPhotography.com
http://www.ChristerArt.com

Well, I'm not part of that deja vu crowd. My point is irrelevant your deja vu moment. I never said that the Ipad was a failure. Those other tablets aren't dead. Apple has the market without a question. That market is not really surprising at all considering that the Iphone/Itune market was already established well before these tablets hit the market. And if you read my reply regarding those tablets, I'd made a point that the failure came in with the price position. Samsung wanted damn near the same price for a much smaller tablet and as I've already mentioned, HP wanted the same price with not even half the apps of both what Android and Apple have. The issue wasn't that the technology weren't there, it was the price and lack of (Touchpad). I use the HP. Their card system and store has the best layout of them all. Flash runs better on HP than Android and their card system is more organized than the other two layout. Each have their strengths and weakness.

Legacys 7 wrote:

Industry is a broaden word. You need to be more specific when you use that word. If you're talking about the photography and graphic design fields and similar, then yes, many are migrating over. If you're talking about gaming field where they make games, no. Computers being sold go beyond the industry workers and office workers primarily use Linux/Unix and Windows.

You also made my point, many that are looking for a cheaper deal never had Apple or even a higher end computer in mind unless those higher end computers are on sell. We pretty much know that from that particular consumer's point of view, an Apple's sell/deal is not a sell at all. Point? Most computer sells are sold to these type of consumers that make up the majority of computers sells.


Regarding Apple's retina being a game changer. If you read every reply from me, I never said that it wasn't a game changer. What I'd said is that it's not an immediate one where the current tablets are dated. Here's an example to make and prove my point. When the Iphone first game out, it was not an immediate game changer. BlackBerry was still ruling the cell phone and smart phone world. It wasn't until Android entered the smart phone world with their app and o.s. market etc. that actually helped Apple make the smart phone/app phone mainstream and make the other phones dated. So you owe Apple's success to a major degree to Google.

Google's success and help to Apple had more to do with their o.s. being broaden. Meaning it wasn't solely through one phone carrier. You can get them through all of the carriers and the price ranges varied. That's your average consumer. They want deals and not obligated to one price and one carrier.

You make some good points.

You use the word "sell" above but I think you mean "sale".

And of course between Apple and Google, Apple deserves 90%+ of the credit for the smartphone you hold in your hand today. Android is a copy period. Google did not have to take the risks or invest the money that Apple did. Saying that, competition is good for every consumer.

GK photo wrote:
color me stupid, but i still have no freaking idea what purpose these devices serve. not just apples, but anyone's. i believe the other manufacturer's at least put a usb port in the i/o.

is there even an i/o on this device?

other than for ridiculously spoiled kids and people who just like looking douchey in public, i see no need for these devices at all.

but like i said, color me stupid.

That's funny. That was kind of my brother's point yesterday. He doesn't need all of that shit on his phone. His own words. The tablets, they serve a purpose. A lot of what's on them aren't necessities. But there are a lot of things on them that do provide a lot as a tool too. The bottom line here is, it's up to the buyer to decide on what is not and is for him.

GK photo wrote:
color me stupid, but i still have no freaking idea what purpose these devices serve. not just apples, but anyone's. i believe the other manufacturer's at least put a usb port in the i/o.

is there even an i/o on this device?

other than for ridiculously spoiled kids and people who just like looking douchey in public, i see no need for these devices at all.

but like i said, color me stupid.

It's like saying 'I have no idea what purpose a notebook serves'.

A notebook is a ubiquitous device which has numerous purposes, much like an ipad.

Fashion Photographer wrote:
It's like saying 'I have no idea what purpose a notebook serves'.

A notebook is a ubiquitous device which has numerous purposes, much like an ipad.

a notebook has a hd bigger than 64gb, and a completely useful host of i/o.

ipads are the apex of consumerism run amok.

GK photo wrote:

a notebook has a hd bigger than 64gb, and a completely useful host of i/o.

No,  a notebook usually has 48 or 96 sheets of A4 paper.

Fashion Photographer wrote:

No,  a notebook usually has 48 or 96 sheets of A4 paper.

i read "net" book.

GK photo wrote:
i read "net" book.

:-) Basically my point was that different people will use it for different things. E.g. my friend uses an ipad to take notes in class. Another friend uses it to show her pictures and play music. I am getting one to watch movies in the gym, and read long PDF files which my kindle can't render properly. I normally have to carry around about 4 lever arch files in a suitcase, and an Ipad would save my shoulders.

GK photo wrote:

a notebook has a hd bigger than 64gb, and a completely useful host of i/o.

ipads are the apex of consumerism run amok.

Right. But keep in mind too, many that buy the tablets, will use them over carrying around a laptop due to size and most of what they can and want to do can be done on their tablets. The reality is and I've said this when the Ipad first came out, tablets will eventually replace the laptop. The writing on the wall for me is size, the sd cards, cloud system etc. People want convenience and if light weight and able to do task is part of the equation, people will jump on it. Hence why smart phones are so popular and the Kindles.

Legacys 7 wrote:

I don't care that you post those links. You know what my point is. Stop begging. If you want me to stop, stop trolling. Boy Wonder.

In a thread about the iPad, I feel like What Fun is staying on topic in discussing Apples innovation. However, in the links provided, as well as this thread itself, it seems you are the one trolling and, in fact, SEEKING OUT any thread What Fun posts in only to offer a sexual slam about Steve Jobs....

That being said, the new iPad is going to blow the rest of the tablet out of the water. I'll say it sells more than the iPad and iPad 2 combined.

SPS_Photography wrote:
In a thread about the iPad, I feel like What Fun is staying on topic in discussing Apples innovation. However, in the links provided, as well as this thread itself, it seems you are the one trolling and, in fact, SEEKING OUT any thread What Fun posts in only to offer a sexual slam about Steve Jobs....

That being said, the new iPad is going to blow the rest of the tablet out of the water. I'll say it sells more than the iPad and iPad 2 combined.

You don't know Whatfun, my point stands and no, home snake, I'm in those threads for other reasons, he just happens to hop around to them, troll and I'm on him/her.

Kevin Connery wrote:
While I realize some people are emotionally attached to (or against) this product and/or the company that manufactures it, bringing hostility against other members of this forum is still not permitted.

Do NOT attack others.

Do NOT troll.

Out of respect for Kevin and the other members, I'll do that.