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Here is a photo I just retouched, but it just doesn't seem to be working for me.  Please help me pinpoint what I need to work on and what is Ok.

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiazRetouch/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27_web2.jpg

Jun 16 10 12:28 pm Link

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San Diego, California, US

Here are some crops:

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27_crop1.jpg

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27_crop2.jpg

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27_crop3.jpg

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27_crop4.jpg

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27_crop5.jpg

Jun 16 10 12:31 pm Link

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KMP

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Houston, Texas, US

Just my opinion here but she looks a bit too sharp and/or over processed. 

Digital compared to analog:

Digital gives a LOT more detail and it's not necessarily complimentary to pull it all out.

Jun 16 10 12:31 pm Link

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KevinMcGowanPhotography wrote:
Just my opinion here but she looks a bit too sharp and/or over processed. 

Digital compared to analog:

Digital gives a LOT more detail and it's not necessarily complimentary to pull it all out.

Replaced it with one that was not so heavy on output sharpening.

Jun 16 10 12:57 pm Link

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KMP

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Houston, Texas, US

EDIT: Anything can be second guessed and picked apart.. 

So is something in particular bothering you about this shot?

Jun 16 10 01:13 pm Link

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Indigo Dream Images

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Tucson, Arizona, US

Too much sharpening for sure.  The skin looks unnatural, as if it was 'borrowed' from other skin parts.  Do you mind if we see the original?

Jun 16 10 01:15 pm Link

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Krunoslav Stifter

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Santa Cruz, California, US

Have you boosted the vibrancy slider? She has some strange blue coloration on her hair and some on the clothing. Too strong vibrancy would do that.

I would like to see the original too.

Jun 16 10 01:24 pm Link

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Natalia_Taffarel

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Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires, Argentina

The shadows are too dark

Cheeks and Neck are too light

+1 on seeing the original

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Jun 16 10 01:30 pm Link

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Indigo Dream Images wrote:
Too much sharpening for sure.  The skin looks unnatural, as if it was 'borrowed' from other skin parts.  Do you mind if we see the original?

Here's a comparison of original to retouch:

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiazRetouch/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27compare2.gif

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiazRetouch/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27compare3.jpg

Jun 16 10 01:37 pm Link

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Indigo Dream Images

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Tucson, Arizona, US

Dumb question, but is that the actual image taken from the camera before messing with RAW sliders?  I gotta tell ya, the retouch actually looks better IMO, but if it were me, I would smooth that skin out.  What is baffling me is that if it is the actual image (before any processing at all), there are aspects of the original image that, well, dont look to good.  Im definitely not saying this to be mean, but I see a noticeable difference in the lips especially, from original to retouch.

*Edit:  What I mean about the lips is that they look seriously grainy (as does the background), but the light in the image suggests to me that you werent using a high enough ISO that would give off the grain...am I right?

Jun 16 10 01:44 pm Link

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Krunoslav-Stifter wrote:
Have you boosted the vibrancy slider? She has some strange blue coloration on her hair and some on the clothing. Too strong vibrancy would do that.

I would like to see the original too.

I think she had some blue stuff in her hair, though my original raw conversion did not help with the shadow transitions at all.  There were no big moves of vibrancy or saturation, maybe -15 vibrancy and +5 saturation.  Later in processing, I only reduced saturation.

Jun 16 10 01:51 pm Link

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KMP

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Houston, Texas, US

This is weird. I'm not sure what to say since the shot you have as the original image looks blocked up in areas.    The transition between the values seems harsh and blotchy

My original feeling was she was over-lit.   It looks like you used a gold reflector for fill. Then corrected that in post.   The post does look better but there's a harshness to this shot that I can't put my finger on.

I'm assuming you shot in RAW. It may be your original settings are a bit over done.

EDIT: I read a couple more posts. What was your ISO?

I'm also wondering about what RAW file you used.  Canon, Nikon, Sony..etc..  Sometimes especially with older and cheaper cameras even tho they have plenty of MP they don't do a very good job in the camera of processing a good file.

Jun 16 10 01:54 pm Link

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Krunoslav Stifter

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Santa Cruz, California, US

descending chain wrote:
I think she had some blue stuff in her hair, though my original raw conversion did not help with the shadow transitions at all.  There were no big moves of vibrancy or saturation, maybe -15 vibrancy and +5 saturation.  Later in processing, I only reduced saturation.

I see it now. After seeing the original. I had some issues with the vibrancy slider pushed to the maximum. It starts too pick up colors that are barely visible and exaggerates them. But that is expected, because that is how the tool works.

I assumed that was the case with your image, because I don't see the obvious reason for the blue coloration. Now that you showed us the original, it clearly there to begin with. I would still remove it, though.

Jun 16 10 01:57 pm Link

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Indigo Dream Images wrote:
*Edit:  What I mean about the lips is that they look seriously grainy (as does the background), but the light in the image suggests to me that you werent using a high enough ISO that would give off the grain...am I right?

This appears to be an artifact of putting the animated gif onto Photobucket.  The ISO was 400.  I've included the original without trying to get fancy.

Jun 16 10 02:19 pm Link

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KMP

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Houston, Texas, US

It may be the flare from the back light. Your processed image looks sharp enough. However, this does not look that sharp.   If you're trying to save it by filters it's part of the problem..

EDIT: What camera model did you shoot this with?

Jun 16 10 02:59 pm Link

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R E T O U C H - MM

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London, England, United Kingdom

I think the overall shot is a little uncomfortable looking, even without the retouching, because of the angle seems a little pushed back looking, as if her head looks a lot smaller than her body, I think i would personally play about with rotating a bit and a different crop

Jun 16 10 03:00 pm Link

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KevinMcGowanPhotography wrote:
It may be the flare from the back light. Your processed image looks sharp enough. However, this does not look that sharp.   If you're trying to save it by filters it's part of the problem..

EDIT: What camera model did you shoot this with?

The camera was a Nikon D3X, shot at ISO 400, with a 200-400 f4 at 330 mm.  The raw above may not look sharp because there is very, very little sharpening applied, and no contrast adjustments.

It was lit with a 2' x 3' gold reflector about 10' from the model, with sun barely making it through the leaves of the tree behind her.  This is why the lighting is wonky.  The camera was positioned with a branch blocking the sun from hitting the lens.

Jun 16 10 04:08 pm Link

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Indigo Dream Images

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Tucson, Arizona, US

Okay, this second image (below the transitioning one) wasnt there before.  Is that the original?

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Here's a comparison of original to retouch:

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiazRetouch/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27compare2.gif

https://i924.photobucket.com/albums/ad81/dchain/SarahDiazRetouch/SarahDiaz_2009-09-27compare3.jpg

Jun 16 10 05:31 pm Link

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Tincture

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New York, New York, US

You could take some yellow out of the white tones.

Jun 18 10 01:59 pm Link

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IdontKnowIForgot

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Glasgow, Scotland, United Kingdom

some bits seem very smooth, while other bits, like the left of the chin, seem overlooked
while the shadows need tone changing, they seem green lol
and the highlights/shadows are a bit intense overall.

I think just soften it up, coz it seems like a natural type of image,
also
+1 for wanting to see original to compare

Jun 20 10 05:07 am Link